OT: more from the resident alarmist

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:33:56 PM UTC+11, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 28/02/20 04:07, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:17:58 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:47:01 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:34:00 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

<snip>

Makes you wonder if we are actually trying to stop this disease.

Regrettably that is a reasonable question...

Trump put Pence in charge of the response. Pence is anti-science
to the extent that in 2001 he denied that smoking causes cancer
and kills.

Apparently Pence also enabled an HIV outbreak in Indiana.

It wasn't deliberate. To keep the religious right happy, he shut down the Planned Parenthood clinic.

They happened to be the only free HIV testing service around.

"Free HIV testing had not been available in the community since a local Planned Parenthood clinic closed in 2013, and the virus had quickly spread among people in Scott County who were reusing needles to inject a prescription opioid called Opana."

Pence isn't so much anti-science as pig ignorant, and willing to do whatever the religious right wants him to do, no matter how demented.

If he gets rattled, he may go old testament and start sacrificing first-born sons.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:12:27 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:02:06 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:55:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:51:16 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

Ok, so you are just going to play dumb and pretend there's no problem. Got it. The Trump approach.

WTF? First you claim I'm "alarmist".

Not exactly. The claim is that you are a pig-ignorant twit who broadcasts alarmist claims because you don't pay any attention to where they come from and have no way of working out how plausible they are.

I post alarmist claims? YOU are the one claiming the death rate from Covid
is 20%! I told you it's ~2%! Anyone who's following this at all knows
that it's ~2%, not 20%. Your response? Deny and lie.

Rest of your bloviating BS deleted.

 

[John S]

On 2/28/2020 7:34 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:23:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

If they've got it bad enough to have viral pneumonia, you can do stuff to help them stay alive until their immune system can on top of the virus - pure oxygen can help.

No shit Sherlock. We call that "treatment". And all this baloney from
the guy who claims the death rate is 20% and when told it's 2%, acts like
that's a number pulled from space, when it's been widely reported just
about every day for a month. Show me proof! Show me proof?
Google broken down there again? I mean to be discussing this at all
pontificating and to not know the ~2% number makes you the village idiot.
Now go feed the kangaroos. Make sure they aren't on fire first.

Isn't that horse dead yet?

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:34:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:23:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:51:16 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:38:21 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:46:02 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 9:42:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 12:15:43 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 3:33:00 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 4:03:23 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 12:06:49 PM UTC-8, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:36:21 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

snip

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

There's - as yet - nothing you can do to help a patient who has the virus in getting rid of it.

As usual, the dishonest lib twist and distorts. It was posted here that
China is carting people off that are infected to holding places and
providing no treatment.

Probably incorrectly. It is likely that the mildly sick are being isolated in places that aren't set up to provide much treatment, and the pig ignorant - like you - want to believe that that this means no treatment or monitoring, which is unlikely.

Rick asked, what would you do? I said, how
about treating them. That doesn't mean or imply that you need a drug
or treatment to "get rid of it". But you can provide supportive treatment
to give them a better chance of surviving, stupid.

If they've only got a mild infection, they are going to survive if they get enough to eat and drink in a place warm enough to be comfortable. That's all the "treatment" they need.

If they've got it bad enough to have viral pneumonia, you can do stuff to help them stay alive until their immune system can on top of the virus - pure oxygen can help.

No shit Sherlock. We call that "treatment". And all this baloney from
the guy who claims the death rate is 20% and when told it's 2%, acts like
that's a number pulled from space, when it's been widely reported just
about every day for a month.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

points out how you get the 2% estimate. It's a really easy calculation and reliably gives you a misleading result. It's not "pulled from space" but it might as well be.

You are much too dim to ever get message, no matter how often it is explained to you.

Show me proof! Show me proof?
Google broken down there again?

I've provided you with the same link several times now, but while you can take horse's ass to water, you can't make him drink.

> I mean to be discussing this at all pontificating and to not know the ~2% number makes you the village idiot.

Sadly, your willingness to accept a popular error makes you one more village idiot.

> Now go feed the kangaroos. Make sure they aren't on fire first.

There aren't any kangaroos in the centre of Sydney. The Taronga Park zoo isn't all that far away, but Mosman is an inner suburb on the other side of the harbour.

And the bush-fire season now seems to be over - we've had a lot of rain recently, and all the fires now seem to be out - even the one that had been burning since September. Kangaroos do get burnt if caught by a bush-fire, but they don't seem to stay alight.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:38:52 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:17:58 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 7:47:01 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:34:00 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:41:05 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:44:05 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

<snip>

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/26/trump-faces-chernobyl-moment-slashing-pandemic-defences-bone/

When only three of the 100 US public health labs have working test kits, you aren't going to find many new cases until they get them.

All this from the village idiot who claims that the death rate is 20%,
while all the media has been reporting for over a month that it's ~2%.

I once said that the death rate looked like 20%. I produced my reasoning when you called me on it, and admitted that it hadn't been a very reliable estimate.

Sadly, the ~2% estimated is more popular, but equally ill-founded. Idiots like you can get it with a very simple calculation, which happens to be obviously wrong, but not obviously enough for you to notice. I did explain why it was wrong at the time, but you don't seem to have been able to follow the explanation.

Even worse, instead of admitting you're wrong, you instead demand that
I provide links? Google broken again?

Because you don't actually know where your estimate comes from, and won't admit it.

And then you accept the Chinese
numbers, see no reason why they would lie.

There are plenty of reason why they might lie, if they were as stupid as you are. There are also plenty reasons why they should tell the truth, or at least stick to what looks like real data to them. You wouldn't understand any of them.

You know why? Libs love and
always defend the commies and here you're lying just like the commies lie..

You may think that, but it's just one more of your many idiotic delusions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:41:35 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:12:27 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:02:06 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:55:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:51:16 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

Ok, so you are just going to play dumb and pretend there's no problem. Got it. The Trump approach.

WTF? First you claim I'm "alarmist".

Not exactly. The claim is that you are a pig-ignorant twit who broadcasts alarmist claims because you don't pay any attention to where they come from and have no way of working out how plausible they are.

I post alarmist claims? YOU are the one claiming the death rate from Covid
is 20%!

I came up with that estimate once, and told you how I'd got it.

> I told you it's ~2%!

You did. There's a simple, obvious and wrong way of getting that number from the raw data, and there are enough people around who are as stupid as you that it comes up a lot.

Anyone who's following this at all knows
that it's ~2%, not 20%.

Anybody with any sense knows that it is impossible to work out an accurate number from the data we've got. Sadly, you aren't the only idiot who doesn't understand this.

The biggest problem is that we don't know how many people get infected badly enough to be infectious for a couple of days, but mildly enough that they don't bother going to the doctor or getting tested.

>Your response? Deny and lie.

I do deny that you know what you are talking about. You'd like that to be a lie, but you confirm it with every bit of text you post.

> Rest of your bloviating BS deleted.

You'd like that to be true too. Pity about that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:34:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:23:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:51:16 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:38:21 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:46:02 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 9:42:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 12:15:43 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 3:33:00 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 4:03:23 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 12:06:49 PM UTC-8, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:36:21 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

snip

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

There's - as yet - nothing you can do to help a patient who has the virus in getting rid of it.

As usual, the dishonest lib twist and distorts. It was posted here that
China is carting people off that are infected to holding places and
providing no treatment.

Probably incorrectly. It is likely that the mildly sick are being isolated in places that aren't set up to provide much treatment, and the pig ignorant - like you - want to believe that that this means no treatment or monitoring, which is unlikely.

There was a link to a video which showed someone talking to the quarantine center at large. The translation was that they could not leave and there was no way to take anyone to a hospital. It appeared there was no care being provided.

Did no one else look at that video? It does support the "no treatment" claim. But that's understandable. If you have 10,000 beds in your hospitals and you have 50,000 quarrantined, you don't even have enough personnel to do triage on a regular basis.

Rick asked, what would you do? I said, how
about treating them. That doesn't mean or imply that you need a drug
or treatment to "get rid of it". But you can provide supportive treatment
to give them a better chance of surviving, stupid.

If they've only got a mild infection, they are going to survive if they get enough to eat and drink in a place warm enough to be comfortable. That's all the "treatment" they need.

It appears there aren't enough human and other resources to perform triage on the patients. But that's ok because there aren't enough facilities, equipment, supplies and personnel to properly care for everyone even at the level they require.

The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.

--

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[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:08:20 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:

Isn't that horse dead yet?

Swarms of flies have been circling Sloman for decades.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:42 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:34:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:23:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:51:16 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:38:21 PM UTC-5, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:46:02 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 9:42:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 12:15:43 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 3:33:00 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 4:03:23 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 12:06:49 PM UTC-8, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:36:21 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

snip

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

There's - as yet - nothing you can do to help a patient who has the virus in getting rid of it.

As usual, the dishonest lib twist and distorts. It was posted here that
China is carting people off that are infected to holding places and
providing no treatment.

Probably incorrectly. It is likely that the mildly sick are being isolated in places that aren't set up to provide much treatment, and the pig ignorant - like you - want to believe that that this means no treatment or monitoring, which is unlikely.

There was a link to a video which showed someone talking to the quarantine center at large. The translation was that they could not leave and there was no way to take anyone to a hospital. It appeared there was no care being provided.

Did no one else look at that video? It does support the "no treatment" claim. But that's understandable. If you have 10,000 beds in your hospitals and you have 50,000 quarrantined, you don't even have enough personnel to do triage on a regular basis.


Rick asked, what would you do? I said, how
about treating them. That doesn't mean or imply that you need a drug
or treatment to "get rid of it". But you can provide supportive treatment
to give them a better chance of surviving, stupid.

If they've only got a mild infection, they are going to survive if they get enough to eat and drink in a place warm enough to be comfortable. That's all the "treatment" they need.

It appears there aren't enough human and other resources to perform triage on the patients. But that's ok because there aren't enough facilities, equipment, supplies and personnel to properly care for everyone even at the level they require.

The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.

And yet as half-assed as it all is, you keep claiming there is no reason to
believe that the new infections in China are down to just a few hundred a day.
With it easily transmissible and in 45 countries already, unless this
somehow ends via nature, it appears we are headed for it getting that
bad everywhere.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:44:07 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:41:35 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:12:27 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:02:06 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:55:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:51:16 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.

I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?

How about treating them?

Ok, so you are just going to play dumb and pretend there's no problem. Got it. The Trump approach.

WTF? First you claim I'm "alarmist".

Not exactly. The claim is that you are a pig-ignorant twit who broadcasts alarmist claims because you don't pay any attention to where they come from and have no way of working out how plausible they are.

I post alarmist claims? YOU are the one claiming the death rate from Covid
is 20%!

I came up with that estimate once, and told you how I'd got it.

I told you it's ~2%!

You did. There's a simple, obvious and wrong way of getting that number from the raw data, and there are enough people around who are as stupid as you that it comes up a lot.

Anyone who's following this at all knows
that it's ~2%, not 20%.

Anybody with any sense knows that it is impossible to work out an accurate number from the data we've got. Sadly, you aren't the only idiot who doesn't understand this.

The biggest problem is that we don't know how many people get infected badly enough to be infectious for a couple of days, but mildly enough that they don't bother going to the doctor or getting tested.

Your response? Deny and lie.

I do deny that you know what you are talking about. You'd like that to be a lie, but you confirm it with every bit of text you post.

Rest of your bloviating BS deleted.

You'd like that to be true too. Pity about that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.

<https://plague.com>
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered

2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered

The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the death
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.

Note the graph in the lower right showing an increasing rate of
recovery.


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 10:19:40 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:42 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.


And yet as half-assed as it all is, you keep claiming there is no reason to
believe that the new infections in China are down to just a few hundred a day.
With it easily transmissible and in 45 countries already, unless this
somehow ends via nature, it appears we are headed for it getting that
bad everywhere.

It is tedious to have a conversation with you. I think you munged your statement above. I don't have great confidence that the numbers China is reporting are highly accurate, but I do believe they are trying to be open.

Of course you do. Libs always love and trust commie regimes. Is rounding
up bloggers and reporters, people disappering who posted about it part
of being open? Is having a state controlled press part of being open?
Imagine what the press here would be reporting if they were controlled
by Trump.


The errors are systematic errors from trying to organize a large mass of people under such chaotic conditions.

My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have the disease under control.

It's still spreading by several hundred cases a day. Even if that;s
true, it's not under control by any means.



The other areas where the contagion is newer, they have not yet setup appropriate measures and the infection rate is growing. That doesn't mean it can't be contained. But if each infection is not clamped down on and isolated, it will continue to spread.

Take it up with the CDC. Two days ago they said the spread here is
inevitable.

Iran in particular is concerning. The new infection count is over a third and the new death rate is over a quarter. That sure seems to indicate a lack of accurate measurement of the actual infection count.

You're an alarmist!

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.

https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered

2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered

The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the death
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.

Oh, BS. There is case history now going back to December, there are
available numbers of people who either recovered or died and world
health authorities are saying the death rate is around 2%. You also
totally ignore the fact that there are likely a lot of people who
had it, were not sick enough to be hospitalized, they recovered and
are not in those numbers. Even in the US right now, you could have it,
and unless there was reason to believe you had contact with someone,
no test is run. The lone exception seems to be in CA with that one
new case. There the patient was in two hospitals, for 7 days, before
the CDC agreed to run the test. If that patient had improved, they would
have been released with no record of them having Covid. You don't
like the 2% number, take it up with the world infectious disease experts
involved.

 

> My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have the disease under control.

Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the GuangDong region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to 400 active (as they claimed). There were couple of nurses asking for external helps, then immediately censored by the government. Medical Censorship 2.0.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 10:19:40 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:42 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.


And yet as half-assed as it all is, you keep claiming there is no reason to
believe that the new infections in China are down to just a few hundred a day.
With it easily transmissible and in 45 countries already, unless this
somehow ends via nature, it appears we are headed for it getting that
bad everywhere.

It is tedious to have a conversation with you. I think you munged your statement above. I don't have great confidence that the numbers China is reporting are highly accurate, but I do believe they are trying to be open. The errors are systematic errors from trying to organize a large mass of people under such chaotic conditions.

My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have the disease under control. The other areas where the contagion is newer, they have not yet setup appropriate measures and the infection rate is growing. That doesn't mean it can't be contained. But if each infection is not clamped down on and isolated, it will continue to spread.

Iran in particular is concerning. The new infection count is over a third and the new death rate is over a quarter. That sure seems to indicate a lack of accurate measurement of the actual infection count.

--

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Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:42bad92e-86e6-400a-
a51a-ab72fbbd4a48@googlegroups.com:

Oh, BS. There is case history now going back to December, there
are
available numbers of people who either recovered or died and world
health authorities are saying the death rate is around 2%.

We do not know how it is passed, and we do not know gestation
periods, so you are absolutely clueless trying to establish some lame
Trumpesque "It ain't as bad as it looks" mentality.

It is exactly as bad as it looks, and IF there is a long gestation,
you can count on it proliferating the entire globe.

The markets will crash as evrything crawls to a stop.

The real shit has yet to hit the fan.

Better tie up those horse blinder slits even tighter. Still won't
help you.

 

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:039d70f3-dc1a-4c4f-b7f8-07ee58bf23fc@googlegroups.com:

My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have
the dis
ease under control.

Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the GuangDong
region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to 400 active (as
they claimed). There were couple of nurses asking for external
helps, then immediately censored by the government. Medical
Censorship 2.0.

Could be 3.0. For all we know they did it on purpose. Maybe they
have zones of their nation they do not like. They are vindictive that
way, you know... Communist governments.

 

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:039d70f3-dc1a-4c4f-b7f8-07ee58bf23fc@googlegroups.com:

My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have
the dis
ease under control.

Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the GuangDong
region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to 400 active (as
they claimed). There were couple of nurses asking for external
helps, then immediately censored by the government. Medical
Censorship 2.0.


Could be 3.0. For all we know they did it on purpose. Maybe they
have zones of their nation they do not like. They are vindictive that
way, you know... Communist governments.

Also, the net censorship HQ is said to be infected. Couldn't happen to any nicer people. I hate to say this to anyone, but i wish them all a good death.

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.

https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered

2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered

The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.

Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.

Dan

Note the graph in the lower right showing an increasing rate of
recovery.


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[Rick C]

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.

https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered

2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered

The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.

Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.

You only need give that a small amount of thought to realize this is not possible. At least not if they are infectious. If there were large quantities of people who were infectious and roaming around without noticeable symptoms, then the new infection rate would not be reducing.

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