OT: more from the resident alarmist

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:10:28 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the contagion?
Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the hospital?

Thank you for not asking "exactly what does that mean...".
No thanks for again misinterpreting what I wrote and what should have
been obvious.

Nothing obvious about what you meant. If you don't wish to reply, then don't. No need to be rude about it. Be clear about what you mean and you won't be misunderstood.


My contention is that if a patient, with an
unidentified nasty virus infection, were admitted to the nearby
hospital, and said hospital had problems disposing, handling, or
securing their pathogen contaminated waste, some of that waste might
have made its way into the fish market.

Even if the path of infection was through the hospital, there still had to be an actual source of the infection which would have been seen through other patients. It's rather improbable that exactly one person would come down with this new zoonotic disease and then the infection would travel through the hospital to market without infecting anyone else along the way. I'd say the probability approaches zero.

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We really don't know for sure and may never know for sure exactly where
it originated from. It looked like the live animal market, but then they
had other people who had it earlier with no known connection to the market.
It also depends on how much China wants to find out the truth. Complicated
by the fact that some of those animals are being traded illegally. So
someone could be involved in trading them or similar and not admitting it.

Even here in the US the health officials aren't doing all they could to
contain this. Each time a new case comes up, very limited information.
Like the community cases in CA. They won't say exactly where they
live, where they work, the school, etc. If they put that out there,
it could help identify the path. If you knew
who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you had
contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and help identify
the path of transmission. Otherwise you'd think you probably just have
a cold and do little to contain it. But I suspect in another couple
weeks we'll be beyond that because of the spread.


to help stop it.
 
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 1:12:52 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:d9fb9f66-f352-4b38-b1b9-0c8c5a201a01@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:11:58 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one
of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we
might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies
it defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far
from civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and
manipulating market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on
than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

+1

ROFL

And the US and other scientists outside did not just get access to
the virus, we've had it for a couple months, otherwise we would
not have test capability, a vaccine on schedule for trials
starting as early as next month, etc.



Vaccines do not happen on a three month cycle.

Nice try, putz.
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Obviously they do:

https://www.biospace.com/article/moderna-s-coronavirus-vaccine-ready-for-clinical-trials/

Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Ready for Clinical Trials


And before you lie and try to claim that I said something else, note that
I posted that trials would start in April.


Wrong, always wrong. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
 
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:79a66505-ce50-4c97-
9fdb-81d85b3a8baf@googlegroups.com:

> It also depends on how much China wants to find out the truth.

You forgot "or tell"
 
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:79a66505-ce50-4c97-9fdb-81d85b3a8baf@googlegroups.com:

We really don't know for sure and may never know for sure exactly
where it originated from.
Click to expand...

It came from detached sea star limbs.

Now start another one of your retarded nonrants that serve to expose
just how stupid you are.
 
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:e267d709-eeb7-4a31-ae96-a00433c2c186@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 1:12:52 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:d9fb9f66-f352-4b38-b1b9-0c8c5a201a01@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:11:58 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from
one of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society
we might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the
policies it defines without any repercussion from the rest
of us is far from civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping
secrets and manipulating market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on
than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

+1

ROFL

And the US and other scientists outside did not just get access
to the virus, we've had it for a couple months, otherwise we
would not have test capability, a vaccine on schedule for
trials starting as early as next month, etc.



Vaccines do not happen on a three month cycle.

Nice try, putz.


Obviously they do:

https://www.biospace.com/article/moderna-s-coronavirus-vaccine-read
y-for-clinical-trials/

Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Ready for Clinical Trials


And before you lie and try to claim that I said something else,
note that I posted that trials would start in April.


Wrong, always wrong. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
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moderne-s is NOT novo, you fucking retard.
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:e267d709-eeb7-4a31-ae96-a00433c2c186@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 1:12:52 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:d9fb9f66-f352-4b38-b1b9-0c8c5a201a01@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:11:58 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from
one of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society
we might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the
policies it defines without any repercussion from the rest
of us is far from civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping
secrets and manipulating market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on
than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

+1

ROFL

And the US and other scientists outside did not just get access
to the virus, we've had it for a couple months, otherwise we
would not have test capability, a vaccine on schedule for
trials starting as early as next month, etc.



Vaccines do not happen on a three month cycle.

Nice try, putz.


Obviously they do:

https://www.biospace.com/article/moderna-s-coronavirus-vaccine-read
y-for-clinical-trials/

Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Ready for Clinical Trials


And before you lie and try to claim that I said something else,
note that I posted that trials would start in April.


Wrong, always wrong. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?





moderne-s is NOT novo, you fucking retard.
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What the hell is "novo"? This is the first vaccine trial for Covid-19,
which is what the thread is about, stupid.


21 FEBRUARY 2020 NEWS
Covid-19: First coronavirus vaccine trial submission expected in April


Wrong, always wrong and unable to admit it.
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 06:17:34 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

If you knew
who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you had
contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and help identify
the path of transmission.
Click to expand...

You might be overestimating the ability of most of the GUM (great
unwashed masses) to properly process such information:

"38% Of People In Survey Are Avoiding Corona Beer Due To Coronavirus"
<https://www.zerohedge.com/health/38-people-survey-are-avoiding-corona-beer-due-coronavirus>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 1:17:40 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:10:28 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
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<snip>

Even if the path of infection was through the hospital, there still had to be an actual source of the infection which would have been seen through other patients. It's rather improbable that exactly one person would come down with this new zoonotic disease and then the infection would travel through the hospital to market without infecting anyone else along the way. I'd say the probability approaches zero.

We really don't know for sure and may never know for sure exactly where
it originated from.
Click to expand...

We don't know yet, but we ave a pretty good idea of where to look, and should eventually get pretty close to nailing it down.

It looked like the live animal market, but then they
had other people who had it earlier with no known connection to the market.
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The thing about markets is that they have lots of customers. If seafood market came up frequently in the early cases, secondary infection probably explains the rest.

It also depends on how much China wants to find out the truth. Complicated
by the fact that some of those animals are being traded illegally. So
someone could be involved in trading them or similar and not admitting it..
Click to expand...

https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/11839-Coronavirus-outbreak-reignites-bushmeat-debate

Even here in the US the health officials aren't doing all they could to
contain this. Each time a new case comes up, very limited information.
Like the community cases in CA. They won't say exactly where they
live, where they work, the school, etc. If they put that out there,
it could help identify the path.
Click to expand...

And could ignite any number of local overreactions. Lynch mobs come to mind..

If you knew who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you had contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and help identify
the path of transmission.
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Or you could imagine you were having symptoms, and start pestering your doctor.
There are enough anxious idiots around that they'd swamp the people it would have been worth paying attention to.

Otherwise you'd think you probably just have
a cold and do little to contain it. But I suspect in another couple
weeks we'll be beyond that because of the spread.
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Whoey Louie's grasp of reality is rather feeble.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:f0ur5fpq4t524bd6qprg6l67pal76vb2a2@4ax.com:

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:02:38 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 1:43:19 PM UTC+11, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 06:17:34 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

If you knew
who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you
had contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and
help identify the path of transmission.

You might be overestimating the ability of most of the GUM
(great unwashed masses) to properly process such information:

"38% Of People In Survey Are Avoiding Corona Beer Due To
Coronavirus"
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/38-people-survey-are-avoiding-c
orona-beer-due-coronavirus

ZeroHedge has a passion for this kind of nonsense. Cursitor Doom
is the poster most likely to repost their junk here, which puts
you in bad company.

Here's a more reputable and detailed source for the story:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/5wpr-survey-reveals-38-of
-beer-drinking-americans-wouldnt-buy-corona-now-301012225.html

A survey of 700 people isn't all that definitive, and it pays to
think why the survey might have been commissioned, and what kind
of results the people who commissioned the survey might have been
looking for (which might just be some work from the people who
brew Corona Beer.

Yep. The original story came from a PR (public relations) agency.
I suspect they toured the local beer bars and bribed 737 patrons
to fill out a survey that included the Corona beer and virus
association. I can see the headlines now... "Corona beer goes
viral".


Viral beer goes coronal! It's Takillya!
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On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 1:43:19 PM UTC+11, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 06:17:34 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

If you knew
who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you had
contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and help identify
the path of transmission.

You might be overestimating the ability of most of the GUM (great
unwashed masses) to properly process such information:

"38% Of People In Survey Are Avoiding Corona Beer Due To Coronavirus"
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/38-people-survey-are-avoiding-corona-beer-due-coronavirus
Click to expand...

ZeroHedge has a passion for this kind of nonsense. Cursitor Doom is the poster most likely to repost their junk here, which puts you in bad company.

A survey of 700 people isn't all that definitive, and it pays to think why the survey might have been commissioned, and what kind of results the people who commissioned the survey might have been looking for (which might just be some work from the people who brew Corona Beer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:02:38 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 1:43:19 PM UTC+11, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 06:17:34 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

If you knew
who the new patient is, where they worked, went, etc and if you had
contact, you're having symptoms, you could report it and help identify
the path of transmission.

You might be overestimating the ability of most of the GUM (great
unwashed masses) to properly process such information:

"38% Of People In Survey Are Avoiding Corona Beer Due To Coronavirus"
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/38-people-survey-are-avoiding-corona-beer-due-coronavirus

ZeroHedge has a passion for this kind of nonsense. Cursitor Doom is
the poster most likely to repost their junk here, which puts you in bad company.
Click to expand...

Here's a more reputable and detailed source for the story:
<https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/5wpr-survey-reveals-38-of-beer-drinking-americans-wouldnt-buy-corona-now-301012225.html>

A survey of 700 people isn't all that definitive, and it pays to
think why the survey might have been commissioned, and what kind
of results the people who commissioned the survey might have been
looking for (which might just be some work from the people who
brew Corona Beer.
Click to expand...

Yep. The original story came from a PR (public relations) agency.
I suspect they toured the local beer bars and bribed 737 patrons to
fill out a survey that included the Corona beer and virus association.
I can see the headlines now... "Corona beer goes viral".



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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