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On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:29:00 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.
You only need give that a small amount of thought to realize this is not possible. At least not if they are infectious. If there were large quantities of people who were infectious and roaming around without noticeable symptoms, then the new infection rate would not be reducing.
They had a strong immune system so did not have strong symptoms and they were only infectious for a few days.
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:42bad92e-86e6-400a-
a51a-ab72fbbd4a48@googlegroups.com:
Oh, BS. There is case history now going back to December, there
are
available numbers of people who either recovered or died and world
health authorities are saying the death rate is around 2%.
We do not know how it is passed, and we do not know gestation
periods, so you are absolutely clueless trying to establish some lame
Trumpesque "It ain't as bad as it looks" mentality.
It is exactly as bad as it looks,
The markets will crash as evrything crawls to a stop.
The real shit has yet to hit the fan.
Better tie up those horse blinder slits even tighter. Still won't
help you.
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:039d70f3-dc1a-4c4f-b7f8-07ee58bf23fc@googlegroups.com:
My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have
the dis
ease under control.
Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the GuangDong
region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to 400 active (as
they claimed). There were couple of nurses asking for external
helps, then immediately censored by the government. Medical
Censorship 2.0.
Could be 3.0. For all we know they did it on purpose.
have zones of their nation they do not like. They are vindictive that
way, you know... Communist governments.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.
You only need give that a small amount of thought to realize this is not possible. At least not if they are infectious. If there were large quantities of people who were infectious and roaming around without noticeable symptoms, then the new infection rate would not be reducing.
They had a strong immune system so did not have strong symptoms and they were only infectious for a few days.
Rick C.
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On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:52:09 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:039d70f3-dc1a-4c4f-b7f8-07ee58bf23fc@googlegroups.com:
My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they
have the dis
ease under control.
Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the GuangDong
region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to 400 active
(as they claimed). There were couple of nurses asking for
external helps, then immediately censored by the government.
Medical Censorship 2.0.
Could be 3.0. For all we know they did it on purpose.
Yes, that's very logical. Cripple their economy and start a
woldwide pandemic which will further screw their own economy, on
purpose.
Maybe they
have zones of their nation they do not like. They are vindictive
that way, you know... Communist governments.
Right, they decided to destroy Wuhan, which rather than being some
rebel dissident area is actually one of their main manufacturing
hubs producing everything from steel to high tech.
Wrong, always wrong. And no expanding to stupid conspiracy
theories.
On 2/10/2020 11:10 AM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/yx5ofggy
Can we put this in perspective please? From https://www.worldometers.info/
Coronavirus deaths this year: 2876
Seasonal flu deaths this year: 78130
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the death
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Oh, BS.
There is case history now going back to December, there are
available numbers of people who either recovered or died and world
health authorities are saying the death rate is around 2%.
You also
totally ignore the fact that there are likely a lot of people who
had it, were not sick enough to be hospitalized, they recovered and
are not in those numbers. Even in the US right now, you could have it,
and unless there was reason to believe you had contact with someone,
no test is run. The lone exception seems to be in CA with that one
new case. There the patient was in two hospitals, for 7 days, before
the CDC agreed to run the test. If that patient had improved, they would
have been released with no record of them having Covid. You don't
like the 2% number, take it up with the world infectious disease experts
involved.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:42 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:34:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:23:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:51:16 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:38:21 PM UTC-5, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:46:02 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 9:42:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 12:15:43 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 3:33:00 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 4:03:23 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 12:06:49 PM UTC-8, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 10:09:39 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:36:21 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
snip
Seems a govt that according to Rick is just taking people to quarantine locations where they get no treatment is exactly the kind of govt that would lie about the extent of that happening.
I don't see a connection. Let's say you are in charge of the situation in China. You have ultimate control over everything in the country. How would you treat all these people?
How about treating them?
There's - as yet - nothing you can do to help a patient who has the virus in getting rid of it.
As usual, the dishonest lib twist and distorts. It was posted here that
China is carting people off that are infected to holding places and
providing no treatment.
Probably incorrectly. It is likely that the mildly sick are being isolated in places that aren't set up to provide much treatment, and the pig ignorant - like you - want to believe that that this means no treatment or monitoring, which is unlikely.
There was a link to a video which showed someone talking to the quarantine center at large. The translation was that they could not leave and there was no way to take anyone to a hospital. It appeared there was no care being provided.
But that's understandable. If you have 10,000 beds in your hospitals and you have 50,000 quarrantined, you don't even have enough personnel to do triage on a regular basis.
Rick asked, what would you do? I said, how about treating them. That doesn't mean or imply that you need a drug or treatment to "get rid of it". But you can provide supportive treatment to give them a better chance of surviving, stupid.
If they've only got a mild infection, they are going to survive if they get enough to eat and drink in a place warm enough to be comfortable. That's all the "treatment" they need.
It appears there aren't enough human and other resources to perform triage on the patients. But that's ok because there aren't enough facilities, equipment, supplies and personnel to properly care for everyone even at the level they require.
The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.
And yet as half-assed as it all is, you keep claiming there is no reason to
believe that the new infections in China are down to just a few hundred a day.
With it easily transmissible and in 45 countries already, unless this
somehow ends via nature, it appears we are headed for it getting that
bad everywhere.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:08:20 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
Isn't that horse dead yet?
Swarms of flies have been circling Sloman for decades.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:44:07 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 12:41:35 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:12:27 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:02:06 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 12:55:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 9:51:16 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 3:54:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
Your response? Deny and lie.
I do deny that you know what you are talking about. You'd like that to be a lie, but you confirm it with every bit of text you post.
Rest of your bloviating BS deleted.
You'd like that to be true too. Pity about that.
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two percentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the death
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Note the graph in the lower right showing an increasing rate of
recovery.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the death
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Oh, BS. There is case history now going back to December, there are
available numbers of people who either recovered or died and world
health authorities are saying the death rate is around 2%.
You also totally ignore the fact that there are likely a lot of people who
had it, were not sick enough to be hospitalized, they recovered and
are not in those numbers. Even in the US right now, you could have it,
and unless there was reason to believe you had contact with someone,
no test is run. The lone exception seems to be in CA with that one
new case. There the patient was in two hospitals, for 7 days, before
the CDC agreed to run the test. If that patient had improved, they would
have been released with no record of them having Covid. You don't
like the 2% number, take it up with the world infectious disease experts
involved.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:04:19 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 10:19:40 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:41:42 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
The situation in China is terrible. I just hope it doesn't get that bad elsewhere.
And yet as half-assed as it all is, you keep claiming there is no reason to
believe that the new infections in China are down to just a few hundred a day.
With it easily transmissible and in 45 countries already, unless this
somehow ends via nature, it appears we are headed for it getting that
bad everywhere.
It is tedious to have a conversation with you. I think you munged your statement above. I don't have great confidence that the numbers China is reporting are highly accurate, but I do believe they are trying to be open.
Of course you do. Libs always love and trust commie regimes.
The errors are systematic errors from trying to organize a large mass of people under such chaotic conditions.
My point remains that in China all appearances indicate they have the disease under control.
It's still spreading by several hundred cases a day. Even if that's
true, it's not under control by any means.
The other areas where the contagion is newer, they have not yet setup appropriate measures and the infection rate is growing. That doesn't mean it can't be contained. But if each infection is not clamped down on and isolated, it will continue to spread.
Take it up with the CDC. Two days ago they said the spread here is
inevitable.
Iran in particular is concerning. The new infection count is over a third and the new death rate is over a quarter. That sure seems to indicate a lack of accurate measurement of the actual infection count.
You're an alarmist!
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:29:00 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:25:36 -0800 (PST), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
Keep lying and denying. It's what you do best. Meanwhile claiming that
the death rate is 20% puts you in the class of village idiot, no point
in further discussion on the issue. Funny too, Rick keeps calling me
an alarmist, but he allows your 20% BS lie to go unchallenged. You
two are quite a pair.
https://plague.com
83,867 confirmed cases
2,887 deaths
36,686 recovered
2,887 / 83,867 = 3.4% death rate
36,686 / 83,867 = 43.7% recovered
The 40% difference between the two precentages are those that are
currently ill, where there is no current determination as to whether
they will recover or die. With that large and uncertainty, the deathi
rate can be any number between 3.4% and 43.4%.
Just for the sake of argument, what would the death rate if there was say 100,000 mild cases that were never reported to anyone? Not likely but possible. If I were in China and had a mild case, I probably would not report it. What would reporting it do for me? I would expect there are a lot of unreported cases. Maybe enough unreported cases that the actual death rate is 2%.
You only need give that a small amount of thought to realize this is not possible. At least not if they are infectious. If there were large quantities of people who were infectious and roaming around without noticeable symptoms, then the new infection rate would not be reducing.
They had a strong immune system so did not have strong symptoms and they were only infectious for a few days.
On 2/28/2020 8:10 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
I've provided you with the same link several times now, but while you can take horse's ass to water, you can't make him drink.
I don't think horses drink with their asses.
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 5:25:47 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:93867bf8-0ac7-4853-8125-d6d5f5fb635f@googlegroups.com:
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:52:09 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote in
news:039d70f3-dc1a-4c4f-b7f8-07ee58bf23fc@googlegroups.com:
My point remains that in China all appearances indicate
they have the dis
ease under control.
Depends on who you listen to, a few days ago, in the
GuangDong region, even with cases dropped from 1300 down to
400 active (as they claimed). There were couple of nurses
asking for external helps, then immediately censored by the
government. Medical Censorship 2.0.
Could be 3.0. For all we know they did it on purpose.
Yes, that's very logical. Cripple their economy and start a
woldwide pandemic which will further screw their own economy,
on purpose.
Maybe they
have zones of their nation they do not like. They are
vindictive that way, you know... Communist governments.
Right, they decided to destroy Wuhan, which rather than being
some rebel dissident area is actually one of their main
manufacturing hubs producing everything from steel to high
tech.
Wrong, always wrong. And no expanding to stupid conspiracy
theories.
If the end result is that we all die and they live and get to
restart after, their 'new economy' is all good for them from then
on, and we are all gone. No where to go but up from there except
now everyone has home town genes.
Maybe you have problems grasping bigger picture views that
folks
like that have.
No, it's just that I don't just make up bizarre conspiracy
theories that have zero factual basis.