OT: more from the resident alarmist

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:8a965e5d-a70f-4129-817f-b22b43b162e0@googlegroups.com:

Irrelevant to your conspiracy theory that China deliberately set
loose Covid to kill the world.

It is not 'a conspiracy theory', you retarded fuck.

YOU are fucking irrelevant, fatboy.
 
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
<https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9>


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Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:8a965e5d-a70f-4129-
817f-b22b43b162e0@googlegroups.com:

Wrong, always wrong. And now a conspiracy nut too.

You are a fucking retard, boy.
 
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:07:27 PM UTC+11, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 17:21:12 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

<snip>

Occam's razor suggests that overly complicated explanations are
often very wrong. Salvaging an overly complex explanation by adding
even more complexity is almost always wrong.

Discussions of influenza viruses start off with the fact that they are endemic in birds, and get adapted to mammals via intermediate hosts - notably pigs.

The corona viruses that infects bats don't infect humans. The Corid-19 virus might have made the leap in one hit, but bats, while closer to us than birds, are still a long way off, so an intermediate step isn't all that unreasonable.

https://www.quora.com/Are-bats-genetically-closer-to-humans-than-dogs

Looking at the Wuhan South China Seafood Wholesale Market on Google
Maps, I notice that it's 150ft from the Wuhan Youfu Hospital:
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9
A hospital would seem to be a likely starting place for a bat
originated infection, delivered by the adjacent fish market.

Sick bats getting treated in a human hospital? China is odd, but
not that odd.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Sick human, in the hospital,
visits the fish market for some fast food, and contaminates everything
they touch in the market.

Sick humans are pretty effective at infecting other humans. The seafood market wouldn't have been the only place where they passed on the virus.

The initial contact tracing seems to have pointed rather directly at the seafood market. It got shut down and disinfected very early in the outbreak.

<snipped the rest>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the contagion? Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the hospital?

I guess I'm not sure why people seem to focus on zoonotic origins. Viruses mutate all the time. Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one of the known human corona viruses?

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On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 5:10:33 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the contagion? Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the hospital?

I guess I'm not sure why people seem to focus on zoonotic origins. Viruses mutate all the time. Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one of the known human corona viruses?

The Corvid-19 virus has been sequenced. No virus is all that stable, but this one seems to be one of the more stable ones. Apparently it's closest relative is a bat corona virus - which which it shares 96% of the sequence. SARS only shares 86% of the bat virus sequence.

https://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2020/02/20/covid-19-vaccine-will-close-in-on-the-spikes/

"COVID-19’s spike gene shares a 39-base insertion with a type of soldier fish that swims in the South China Sea."

Maybe something did a cut and paste at the Wuhan Seafood Market.

Since the typical corona virus genome is 26,000-32,000 bases long, a 39-base insertion isn't large. A 96% overlap with the bat-corona virus implies that about a thousand of the bases are different.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r3gjbp$frl$1@dont-email.me:

On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one
of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we
might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

Unlike you, they have brains.

So even if I were, I'd be above you.

(just sayin'... I know my lines)(ya had that comin')
(even if you are smarter than me) (ya got no business being like the
Trumpanzees)(unless ya are one too).
 
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one of
the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.

You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one of
the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

snip

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the
contagion? Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the
hospital?

I guess I'm not sure why people seem to focus on zoonotic origins.
Viruses mutate all the time. Have they studied this virus enough
to know it is not from one of the known human corona viruses?

One problem is that whatever China knows, they limit what they tell
the rest of the globe and how they tell it, and with that attitude
major problems arise for the rest of us.

An interesting chart on its growth compared to others is here:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU>
 
On 3/1/2020 9:36 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r3gjbp$frl$1@dont-email.me:

On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one
of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we
might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?


Unlike you, they have brains.

Please provide a link to support your ridiculous claim.

> So even if I were, I'd be above you.

Never!


(just sayin'... I know my lines)(ya had that comin')
(even if you are smarter than me) (ya got no business being like the
Trumpanzees)(unless ya are one too).

Word salad.
 
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 17:21:12 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

It didn't sell only sea-food. Apparently the Chinese have a taste
for a variety of wild animals, and they were sold there too.

Never mind the wild animals on the menu. I would be worried about the
standard faire:

AI translator (poorly programmed) at work:

> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/china-menu.jpg>

Regarding the source:

The first known case, as well as 7 out of 41, did not have links to the market. The rest could have been infected while shopping there. A P3 lab is just a few miles from the market. Someone was arrested and convicted of selling P3 test animals to the market before. A P4 lab is 20 miles from the market. The negative pressure safety system does not exist. It does not really qualify as a real P4 lab.

Accidental leakage from P3 or P4 makes more sense.
 
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:11:58 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one of
the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

+1

ROFL

And the US and other scientists outside did not just get access to the virus,
we've had it for a couple months, otherwise we would not have test capability,
a vaccine on schedule for trials starting as early as next month, etc.
 
On 3/1/2020 9:36 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:r3gjbp$frl$1@dont-email.me:

On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one
of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we
might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies it
defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far from
civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and manipulating
market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?


Unlike you, they have brains.

Yes, they have brains. I looked it up. Assuming that you don't need two
gonads (a safe assumption), please feel free to evolve (not devolve)
into a tardigrade. Your absence would be appreciated.


> So even if I were, I'd be above you.

Never!

(just sayin'... I know my lines)(ya had that comin')
(even if you are smarter than me) (ya got no business being like the
Trumpanzees)(unless ya are one too).

Again, word salad.
 
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in news:r3gnqm$frl$2@dont-email.me:

Please provide a link to support your ridiculous claim.

Despite being nearly 400 million years old, they have all the parts
we have.

You not been keepin' up, son.
 
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in news:r3gnqm$frl$2@dont-email.me:

Word salad.

Larkinesque Trumpanzee total retardation affirmed. You lose.
 
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in news:r3gqfj$frl$3@dont-email.me:

Again, word salad.

Again, nice try and again, as it stated, even were I a tardigrade, I
would be way over a fucktard like you. Have a nice salad, fuckhead.
 
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:d9fb9f66-f352-4b38-b1b9-0c8c5a201a01@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:11:58 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 3/1/2020 8:55 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9590b53-ce17-4caa-8c3d-9c16b219aa95@googlegroups.com:

Have they studied this virus enough to know it is not from one
of the known human corona viruses?

They who? In a worldwide civil free democratic society we
might
know what they know and even who they are.

With despotic dictatorships and communist regimes being
allowed to
become signators to our UN charter and then defy the policies
it defines without any repercussion from the rest of us is far
from civil, and *they* ALL still are keeping secrets and
manipulating market segments, etc.

So, *they* aren't saying and *we* just got hold of it to
examine
it.

Makes me want to be a tardigrade. They got more goin' on
than
humankind at this point.


You are not already a tardigrade? Who could tell?

+1

ROFL

And the US and other scientists outside did not just get access to
the virus, we've had it for a couple months, otherwise we would
not have test capability, a vaccine on schedule for trials
starting as early as next month, etc.

Vaccines do not happen on a three month cycle.

Nice try, putz.
 
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:10:28 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the contagion?
Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the hospital?

Thank you for not asking "exactly what does that mean...".
No thanks for again misinterpreting what I wrote and what should have
been obvious. My contention is that if a patient, with an
unidentified nasty virus infection, were admitted to the nearby
hospital, and said hospital had problems disposing, handling, or
securing their pathogen contaminated waste, some of that waste might
have made its way into the fish market.

Incidentally, the hospital is the "Wuhan Youfu Hospital Comprehensive
Out-patient Department". There are multiple Wuhan Youfu hospitals
scattered around the area.

I guess I'm not sure why people seem to focus on zoonotic origins.
Viruses mutate all the time. Have they studied this virus enough to
know it is not from one of the known human corona viruses?

Probably because the HIV pandemic was likely to have originated with
an African monkey virus.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misconceptions_about_HIV/AIDS>

As population densities increase with planetary over-population, the
possibilities for interspecies transfers increases. While zoonotic
transfers were a minor consideration in the distant past, where
isolation, quarantine, and burning down the entire village, were
useful tools for slowing down an epidemic, today's population
densities and international travel patterns, make these tools less
useful and much less politically acceptable. At this time, zoonotic
transfers seems to be a useful avenue of investigation and should be
pursued until something better can be found or contrived.


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:10:28 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 11:21:58 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:28:09 -0800 (PST), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also point out that no one has said this disease came from
fish. At least I haven't heard anyone talk about fish. They've
mentioned bats and pigs, both mammals.

Any mention of the source being the Wuhan Youfu Hospital, which is
approximately 150ft away from the fish market?
https://goo.gl/maps/uXMvU9DqTTg1QLsa9

What does that mean for the hospital to be the source of the contagion?
Are you suggesting they handle live animals in the hospital?

Thank you for not asking "exactly what does that mean...".
No thanks for again misinterpreting what I wrote and what should have
been obvious.

Nothing obvious about what you meant. If you don't wish to reply, then don't. No need to be rude about it. Be clear about what you mean and you won't be misunderstood.


My contention is that if a patient, with an
unidentified nasty virus infection, were admitted to the nearby
hospital, and said hospital had problems disposing, handling, or
securing their pathogen contaminated waste, some of that waste might
have made its way into the fish market.

Even if the path of infection was through the hospital, there still had to be an actual source of the infection which would have been seen through other patients. It's rather improbable that exactly one person would come down with this new zoonotic disease and then the infection would travel through the hospital to market without infecting anyone else along the way. I'd say the probability approaches zero.

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