Is Anyone in Charge of the Response to COVID-19?

[Whoey Louie]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:dcfbf2cd-fa8e-47f6-a95c-b14c921d4e99@googlegroups.com:

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most
successful presidents in US history. His record speaks for
itself. When he entered office the economy was a disaster, double
digit inflation,

You are an idiot. The dow jones has been on a steady uphill climb
since the early '70s.

I see you're as ignorant about the market as everything else. The Dow
was in the 900's in the mid 60s. It was stuck there for over 15 years.
It didn't break 1000 until 1982 and
that's not even adjusting for inflation. When Reagan left it was 2.5x
what it was when he came into office.

It grew far faster AFTER Reagan left office.
America is so great that the economy really does not have much to do
with the sitting president at any one moment,

That's incredibly ignorant, even for you. You really think a confiscatory
tax rate of 70% instead of 28% has no effect? Even lib economists
like Keynes would tell you you're a fool.




despite the fact that

they always lay claims do being the very engine of that growth. That
is false. America is great, and presidential fuckups USUALLY do not
weigh in much... until now.

we were demoralized,

You are an idiot. Your whore mother was demoralized.

Iran was holding us hostage,

Iran was holding US citzens hostage for political purpose and
because they have no clue what the UN is, yes.

The UN? WTF does the UN have to do with the price of tea in China?


That had nothing to

do with the party or the person in the office of the president at the
time.

Of course it did. The Iranians knew Carter was a feckless wuss. Reagan
they feared might nuke them. Not that such a thing was required, all it
took was the Iranians knowing that we had a president that was not going
to take their shit.

the Cold War was ongoing,

Nor did that. Russia's economy was in freefall failure. They were
doomed regardless, and reagan's tear down the wall speech was a
trigger that was going to be pulled regardless.

BS. When Reagan came into office and even up until the end, neither
US intel nor any other intel agencies around the world believed Russia
was failing, could be broken. You know who did? REAGAN. His idea
wasn't detente, it was we win they lose. He got them into an arms
race they couldn't win, it helped bankrupt them. He made Afghanistan
hell on Earth for them too. Most importantly, he showed the world
what freedom and capitalism can do with a revitalized American economy.

You also believe the retarded lie that they released the hostages
out of fear of Reagan.

You're damn right they did.



You really are a true idiot. Go read about
> the timeline, you retarded putz.

We know the timeline, within hours of Reagan being sworn in, the hostages
were on a plane home.

And if you think that none of the players have any more Neutron
devices you really are troubled by tunnel vision.

Go look at a map and tell us again... where did mother Russia go?

WAY BIGGER THAN WE ARE.

That's incredibly stupid, even for you.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:39:39 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 24/03/2020 15:09, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:53:00 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Not in the way it propagates, just in the lack of immune resistance in its target (us).

How many times do you have to hear that?

He has never heard it and won't hear it now. He is incapable of hearing anything he doesn't want to hear... not unlike Trump who Fauci said he has to tell as many as four times before something sinks in.

I think Trump is just too old for the job. Like Reagan he got the job, but is not able to process information adequately.

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most successful presidents
in US history. His record speaks for itself. When he entered office the
economy was a disaster, double digit inflation, we were demoralized,
Iran was holding us hostage, the Cold War was ongoing, Russia had invaded
Afghanistan, we had gone from Vietnam, to Watergate, to Carter's failed
presidency. His first day in office the Iranians released the hostages
because they feared Reagan, they knew he wasn't little pussy Jimmy.
By the time he left, America's spirit was restored, we were
respected around the world again, we had signed the largest nuke deal in
history, the first that REDUCED nuclear weapons and eliminated an entire
class, inflation back to normal, interest rates back to normal, 21 mil
new, good jobs in everything from construction to high tech. Oh, and
the USSR went to the ash heap of history, we won, they lost.


How well did Reagan's war on drugs go?

That about says it all, that you have to go to that to bitch about.

How can Reagan possibly get credit for ending the Iran hostage crisis
minutes after he was sworn in?

Because the Iranians knew Reagan wasn't a wimp like Jimmy and that he
would end it one way or another and that wasn't going to be good for them.
Jimmy could have ended it too, but he was a wimp.



That's sillier than saying Obama

deserved the Nobel Peace Prize for not yet having started any wars.
Carter caused the hostage crisis, and Carter bought his way out of it -
the release was merely timed to annoy him.

Overall, Reagan was quite successful. But that is not at odds with
saying he was old and unable to process information very well.

Well obviously it is. You sound like the pundits that said Gorbachev
was going to screw the old man over at Geneva. Instead what happened?
Gorbachev came rolling up in that big Russia limo, emerged all bundled
up in a coat and hat, Reagan came bounding down the steps, out into the
cold in just his suit. He greated Gorbachev and towered over him
The US had already won round one. Who said that? One of the Russian
foreign ministry people that was there, said it years later.

And the Reagan put Gorbachev in his place, read him the riot act.
Gorbachev quickly learned that Reagan was no doddering old man.
And at their second meeting in Reykjavik, Gorbachev was making one
concession after another on nuclear arms, Reagan could have said OK
and come home a conquering hero. Instead, because Gorbachev insisted
on no SDI, Reagan had the determination and foresight to say no.
A year later, Gorbachev was back, in DC he signed the biggest arms control
deal in history, one that accepted Reagan's terms, one that eliminated
all medium range missiles. It was Reagan's zero option that he had
insisted on since Jan 1981, That was Reagan.




The main

job of a president is to get the right people in the right places and
make sure they do /their/ jobs - with a secondary job of keeping people
convinced that things are running smoothly. And Reagan did those
reasonably well, despite being old and decrepit.

A key difference with Trump is that Reagan knew he was an actor, and
couldn't run anything bigger than a village fair

That is a despicable lie. Reagan had served two terms as a very
successful governor of CA, which has an economy larger than most
countries.




- he delegated to

people who did quite well at running the place. Trump is also an actor,
but he believes his own tripe and thinks he /can/ run the show. That's
why Reagan did well and Trump is a disaster.

That's BS too. Reagan had twenty years of putting forth ideas, writing
papers, hosting radio talk shows about everything from man's relationship
with govt to nuclear arms control and the USSR. Reagan had 8 years under
his belt as governor. Trump had none of that and the difference sure shows.
Besides that, Trump really is stupid and has mental problems.

 

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:53:00 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Not in the way it propagates, just in the lack of immune resistance in its target (us).

How many times do you have to hear that?

He has never heard it and won't hear it now. He is incapable of hearing anything he doesn't want to hear... not unlike Trump who Fauci said he has to tell as many as four times before something sinks in.

I think Trump is just too old for the job. Like Reagan he got the job, but is not able to process information adequately.

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most successful presidents
in US history. His record speaks for itself. When he entered office the
economy was a disaster, double digit inflation, we were demoralized,
Iran was holding us hostage, the Cold War was ongoing, Russia had invaded
Afghanistan, we had gone from Vietnam, to Watergate, to Carter's failed
presidency. His first day in office the Iranians released the hostages
because they feared Reagan, they knew he wasn't little pussy Jimmy.
By the time he left, America's spirit was restored, we were
respected around the world again, we had signed the largest nuke deal in
history, the first that REDUCED nuclear weapons and eliminated an entire
class, inflation back to normal, interest rates back to normal, 21 mil
new, good jobs in everything from construction to high tech. Oh, and
the USSR went to the ash heap of history, we won, they lost.

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

But don't confound these haters with facts. Facts just rev them up
more.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Uwe Bonnes]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------

 

On 24 Mar 2020 18:19:29 GMT, Uwe Bonnes
<bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"

The Germans have a complex history that they haven't come to terms
with yet.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:5944d48a-6a57-4e9c-b548-0e23e766c966@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:dcfbf2cd-fa8e-47f6-a95c-b14c921d4e99@googlegroups.com:

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most
successful presidents in US history. His record speaks for
itself. When he entered office the economy was a disaster,
double digit inflation,

You are an idiot. The dow jones has been on a steady uphill
climb
since the early '70s.

I see you're as ignorant about the market as everything else. The
Dow was in the 900's in the mid 60s. It was stuck there for over
15 years. It didn't break 1000 until 1982 and
that's not even adjusting for inflation. When Reagan left it was
2.5x what it was when he came into office.

It was a slow, steady rise, and what casued it to pop was the
consumer electronics industry, then personal computers, you stupid
PUTZ! Not a goddamned thing Reagan did was going to stop that
already moving train you are 100% oblivious of.

It grew far faster AFTER Reagan left office.
America is so great that the economy really does not have much to
do with the sitting president at any one moment,

That's incredibly ignorant, even for you.

It did, you stupid fuck. It was on the rise alreay and the
electronics industry continued to boom long after he left office and
AGAIN, it had NOTHING to do with him.

You really think a
confiscatory tax rate of 70% instead of 28% has no effect? Even
lib economists like Keynes would tell you you're a fool.

You are the fool for your "this is the libs and these are the
conservatives" partisan divisive atitude, and it is wrong and you are
wrong, little boy.

despite the fact that
they always lay claims do being the very engine of that growth.
That is false. America is great, and presidential fuckups
USUALLY do not weigh in much... until now.

we were demoralized,

You are an idiot. Your whore mother was demoralized.

Iran was holding us hostage,

Iran was holding US citzens hostage for political purpose and
because they have no clue what the UN is, yes.

The UN? WTF does the UN have to do with the price of tea in
China?

So, you are so fucking stupid that you do not know what a UN
signatorey nation is, much less the weight that carries. Par for the
course for a retarded Trumpesquian fucktard like you.

That had nothing to
do with the party or the person in the office of the president at
the time.

Of course it did. The Iranians knew Carter was a feckless wuss.

You are a goddamned idiot. The release deal was already in the
pipe BY WAY OF CARTER, you stupid little partisan bitch. Go read
some more of your Trumpesquian non-facts, punk fuck PUTZ!

> Reagan they feared might nuke them.

You are an idiot living in your little republican dream world. It
bent you then, and you are still bent, you fucking retard.

Not that such a thing was
required, all it took was the Iranians knowing that we had a
president that was not going to take their shit.

Again, your made up horseshit and the truth are two mutually
exclusive elements.

You should be flailing wildly in a lye pit after a nice
vivisection.

the Cold War was ongoing,

Nor did that. Russia's economy was in freefall failure. They
were
doomed regardless, and reagan's tear down the wall speech was a
trigger that was going to be pulled regardless.

BS. When Reagan came into office and even up until the end,
neither US intel nor any other intel agencies around the world
believed Russia was failing, could be broken.

You are a true idiot. They were not permitted onto the world
economy and they had to make all their outside purchases with Gold or
US dollars. You really are one stupid fuck.

You know who did?
REAGAN. His idea wasn't detente, it was we win they lose. He got
them into an arms race they couldn't win, it helped bankrupt them.

They were headed that way already, and the space race tipped them,
but was not the only factor, you retarded tunnel vissioned PUTZ!

> He made Afghanistan hell on Earth for them too.

He gave them stinger missiles and their helos were doomed from then
on. They decdied to leave.

Most
importantly, he showed the world what freedom and capitalism can
do with a revitalized American economy.

You are an idiot. We are now and were then the strongest in the
world. Even as factories you seem to fail to factor in were closing
across the nation due to Japanese steel and CNC robotics horning in
on our more expensive products.

Ever heard of Conconnati Milacron? I didn;t think so. They were
the top. You could not pick up or use a product that was not made on
or had parts made with Cincinnati machine tools.

But you are too fucking stupid to track the erosion. You just want
to bolster your party.

You also believe the retarded lie that they released the
hostages
out of fear of Reagan.

You're damn right they did.

No, pathetic child, they did not.

You really are a true idiot. Go read about
the timeline, you retarded putz.

We know the timeline, within hours of Reagan being sworn in, the
hostages were on a plane home.

Yes, due to an aggreement set up days before he ever came near the
oval office YOU RETARDED, HORSE BLINDER WEARING, FOOLISH PUTZ
MOTHERFUCKER!!!

Damn you FAT FUCKTARDS are stupid! Go splurge on another 20,000
kcalories worth of 1/4 pounders. DIE ALREADY!

And if you think that none of the players have any more Neutron
devices you really are troubled by tunnel vision.

Go look at a map and tell us again... where did mother Russia
go?

WAY BIGGER THAN WE ARE.

That's incredibly stupid, even for you.

You think the neutron devices are gone, little boy?

You think the KGB is dead?

You are a true idiot.

You are CREDIBLY STUPID. Bwuahahahahaha!

 

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:u51l7fpq8ujcfcol0o2jgvh3u4anqg8tmb@4ax.com:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:dcfbf2cd-fa8e-47f6-a95c-b14c921d4e99@googlegroups.com:

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most
successful presidents in US history. His record speaks for
itself. When he entered office the economy was a disaster,
double digit inflation,

You are an idiot. The dow jones has been on a steady uphill
climb
since the early '70s.

I see you're as ignorant about the market as everything else. The
Dow was in the 900's in the mid 60s. It was stuck there for over
15 years. It didn't break 1000 until 1982 and
that's not even adjusting for inflation. When Reagan left it was
2.5x what it was when he came into office.




It grew far faster AFTER Reagan left office.
America is so great that the economy really does not have much
to do with the sitting president at any one moment,

That's incredibly ignorant, even for you. You really think a
confiscatory tax rate of 70% instead of 28% has no effect? Even
lib economists like Keynes would tell you you're a fool.




despite the fact that
they always lay claims do being the very engine of that growth.
That is false. America is great, and presidential fuckups
USUALLY do not weigh in much... until now.

we were demoralized,

You are an idiot. Your whore mother was demoralized.

Iran was holding us hostage,

Iran was holding US citzens hostage for political purpose and
because they have no clue what the UN is, yes.

The UN? WTF does the UN have to do with the price of tea in
China?


That had nothing to
do with the party or the person in the office of the president
at the time.

Of course it did. The Iranians knew Carter was a feckless wuss.
Reagan they feared might nuke them. Not that such a thing was
required, all it took was the Iranians knowing that we had a
president that was not going to take their shit.

I suspect there was a back channel. The timing, the very day that
Reagan was inagurated, was no coincidence. I'd love to know what
Reagan told them.

Another total retard.

Told who, you fucking retard?

He was not in contact with anyone, dipshit.

 

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:dcfbf2cd-fa8e-47f6-a95c-b14c921d4e99@googlegroups.com:

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most
successful presidents in US history. His record speaks for
itself. When he entered office the economy was a disaster, double
digit inflation,

You are an idiot. The dow jones has been on a steady uphill climb
since the early '70s.

I see you're as ignorant about the market as everything else. The Dow
was in the 900's in the mid 60s. It was stuck there for over 15 years.
It didn't break 1000 until 1982 and
that's not even adjusting for inflation. When Reagan left it was 2.5x
what it was when he came into office.




It grew far faster AFTER Reagan left office.
America is so great that the economy really does not have much to do
with the sitting president at any one moment,

That's incredibly ignorant, even for you. You really think a confiscatory
tax rate of 70% instead of 28% has no effect? Even lib economists
like Keynes would tell you you're a fool.




despite the fact that
they always lay claims do being the very engine of that growth. That
is false. America is great, and presidential fuckups USUALLY do not
weigh in much... until now.

we were demoralized,

You are an idiot. Your whore mother was demoralized.

Iran was holding us hostage,

Iran was holding US citzens hostage for political purpose and
because they have no clue what the UN is, yes.

The UN? WTF does the UN have to do with the price of tea in China?


That had nothing to
do with the party or the person in the office of the president at the
time.

Of course it did. The Iranians knew Carter was a feckless wuss. Reagan
they feared might nuke them. Not that such a thing was required, all it
took was the Iranians knowing that we had a president that was not going
to take their shit.

I suspect there was a back channel. The timing, the very day that
Reagan was inagurated, was no coincidence. I'd love to know what
Reagan told them.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-4, >

I suspect there was a back channel. The timing, the very day that
Reagan was inagurated, was no coincidence. I'd love to know what
Reagan told them.

It had nothing to do with Reagan. The Iranians and the US had essentially agreed on every part of the release. The hostages would have been released the day before Reagan's inauguration, but a last minute detail with the banks was raised. The transfer of ownership of gold was required rather than the transfer of US dollars, so the actual release did not happen until the next day after Reagan's inauguration.

Was this a matter of spite, very possibly. Was it because of some threat from Reagan, very unlikely. Thinking Reagan had something to do with the release is really just fantasy.

--

Rick C.

---+- Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 24. marts 2020 kl. 23.49.25 UTC+1 skrev Clifford Heath:

On 25/3/20 3:20 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:51:28 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Picking it up on your hands and touching your face is generally reckoned
to the the main vector for transmission. One contaminated door knob can
hit a lot of people and so many of them unthinkingly touch their faces.
Shopping cart handles may be a major vector. Our local Safeway is
making no effort to clean them before reuse.

Fuel pump handles too. Beware of anything that is touched by others in
the course of normal use. We are using self-checkout at the supermarket,
from our own bags and back into them again, not using trolleys.

https://youtu.be/JwmcmtvbCqQ

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 25/3/20 3:20 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:51:28 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Picking it up on your hands and touching your face is generally reckoned
to the the main vector for transmission. One contaminated door knob can
hit a lot of people and so many of them unthinkingly touch their faces.
Shopping cart handles may be a major vector. Our local Safeway is
making no effort to clean them before reuse.

Fuel pump handles too. Beware of anything that is touched by others in
the course of normal use. We are using self-checkout at the supermarket,
from our own bags and back into them again, not using trolleys.

>> Aerosol you have to be quite close and unlucky.

Minor distinction here: the virus doesn't travel as an aerosol (aka
vapour) but as droplets. Aerosols can hang around for hours, droplets
typically settle in under a minute.

Left to its own devices it will kill about 3% of the population before
it becomes self limiting.

It seems unavoidable now that the USA will lose 2 million people. But
you're right that it could be much worse than that.

It will also swing politics, being so skewed by age.

The "recovered" rate is weird. In the US, the rate is very low, about
0.6%. In some countries it's over 50%.

Most of the stats (in most countries) are seriously skewed by the
testing profile. Italy has a lot of old people, but they also weren't
testing young people. Australia was only testing travelers and
already-ill direct contacts, so it looks like there's no community
transmission (but there is, of course - just not being tested).

Testing can only tell you about what you test for.

Clifford Heath.

 

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote in
news:9587f62d-c05a-4eb5-acfd-50f4304c71a4@googlegroups.com:

tirsdag den 24. marts 2020 kl. 23.49.25 UTC+1 skrev Clifford
Heath:
On 25/3/20 3:20 am, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:51:28 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Picking it up on your hands and touching your face is
generally reckoned to the the main vector for transmission.
One contaminated door knob can hit a lot of people and so many
of them unthinkingly touch their faces.
Shopping cart handles may be a major vector. Our local Safeway
is making no effort to clean them before reuse.

Fuel pump handles too. Beware of anything that is touched by
others in the course of normal use. We are using self-checkout at
the supermarket, from our own bags and back into them again, not
using trolleys.


https://youtu.be/JwmcmtvbCqQ

Don't forget those pesky checkout card reader pin keypad button
faces! Blech!

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:40542970-c7b5-47ca-a4fc-cd8084c53ebb@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-4,
I suspect there was a back channel. The timing, the very day that
Reagan was inagurated, was no coincidence. I'd love to know what
Reagan told them.

It had nothing to do with Reagan. The Iranians and the US had
essentially agreed on every part of the release. The hostages
would have been released the day before Reagan's inauguration, but
a last minute detail with the banks was raised. The transfer of
ownership of gold was required rather than the transfer of US
dollars, so the actual release did not happen until the next day
after Reagan's inauguration.

Was this a matter of spite, very possibly. Was it because of some
threat from Reagan, very unlikely. Thinking Reagan had something
to do with the release is really just fantasy.

+1

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:51:28 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 23/03/2020 19:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:47:54 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

The Diamond Princess cruise petri dish, visible from our kitchen
window, was about as bad a disease environment as you can get. Less
than 20 per cent of people on board caught the virus. About half of
those had no symptoms. 7 people died out of 3700 passengers, all of
them over 70.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Epidemiology

Look at the chart halfway down. Why didn't those killers deserve 24/7
press and lockdowns?

The CDC was one of the first sources to let the public know that the
COVID-19 virus is primarily spread via person-to-person contact, mainly
through sneezes and coughs.

Another possible way of becoming infected is by coming into contact
with a surface that has COVID-19 on it. When someone wipes their nose,
sneezes, or coughs into their hand and touches a surface, there is a
risk of transmission to another person.

Picking it up on your hands and touching your face is generally reckoned
to the the main vector for transmission. One contaminated door knob can
hit a lot of people and so many of them unthinkingly touch their faces.

Shopping cart handles may be a major vector. Our local Safeway is
making no effort to clean them before reuse.


Aerosol you have to be quite close and unlucky. Big risk for medics at
close quarters but a relatively low one if you keep a safe distance.

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Its about as infectious and an order of magnitude more lethal.

Why are so many people terrified of this one?

It is a novel zoonotic disease so no-one has any immunity to it. Half
the population show almost no symptoms and not everyone with symptoms is
badly affected but those that are and develop complications require very
serious medical intervention to survive it. Viral pneumonia is the
complication which is the most fearsome of its side/after effects.

Left to its own devices it will kill about 3% of the population before
it becomes self limiting. Here are the current statistics:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/


That probably ignores asymptomatics and unreported mild cases, which
may be the majority of cases.

The "recovered" rate is weird. In the US, the rate is very low, about
0.6%. In some countries it's over 50%.


Mostly it kills the over 70's but a few unlucky health workers will also
die particularly if the correct PPE is not provided for them.

I suspect that outcome is now unavoidable and all we are doing at
present with the half hearted lock down is delaying the inevitable.

We could maximally protect the people who need it and let it burn out
generally.



UK population behaved like lemmings over the weekend in the spring
sunshine and the virus will have spread to a large part of the country.

I was in a Publix a couple days ago. one employee was wiping them down as they were returned.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

jlarkin wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"

Bullshit. That wall divided a country, it didn't protect a border.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Rick C wrote:

I've been in the stores and shelves are not empty.

Really? Is it just NYC? Lots of shelves are empty. Any product that
disinfects, like bleech or wipes, and toilet paper and tissues, and
water. The meat cases are 70-90% empty. I had to get there at 7am to
get a pack of toilet paper, which was limited to 1-to-a-customer. The
clerks say that old people are making repeat visits to get more because
it's all rationed at 1 per visit.

It's like buying toilet paper in the Soviet Union, unprecedented around
here. Maybe people expecting a hurricane in Florida have experienced
this but never here before.


> "Do" what???

Hoard, obviously.

I expected us to have WORKING test kits when this started
[...]
That's a far cry from having "the kits at the beginning".

That sounds inconsistent.

 

[David Brown]

On 25/03/2020 09:21, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
jlarkin wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"


Bullshit. That wall divided a country, it didn't protect a border.

The Berlin wall /was/ a border between two countries. And it was quite
successful at protecting that border.

How much good Trump's wall will do for protecting your border remains to
be seen.

 

[David Brown]

On 24/03/2020 17:57, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:39:39 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 24/03/2020 15:09, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:53:00 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Not in the way it propagates, just in the lack of immune resistance in its target (us).

How many times do you have to hear that?

He has never heard it and won't hear it now. He is incapable of hearing anything he doesn't want to hear... not unlike Trump who Fauci said he has to tell as many as four times before something sinks in.

I think Trump is just too old for the job. Like Reagan he got the job, but is not able to process information adequately.

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most successful presidents
in US history. His record speaks for itself. When he entered office the
economy was a disaster, double digit inflation, we were demoralized,
Iran was holding us hostage, the Cold War was ongoing, Russia had invaded
Afghanistan, we had gone from Vietnam, to Watergate, to Carter's failed
presidency. His first day in office the Iranians released the hostages
because they feared Reagan, they knew he wasn't little pussy Jimmy.
By the time he left, America's spirit was restored, we were
respected around the world again, we had signed the largest nuke deal in
history, the first that REDUCED nuclear weapons and eliminated an entire
class, inflation back to normal, interest rates back to normal, 21 mil
new, good jobs in everything from construction to high tech. Oh, and
the USSR went to the ash heap of history, we won, they lost.


How well did Reagan's war on drugs go?

That about says it all, that you have to go to that to bitch about.

You listed a range of Reagan's successes (or in some cases, things you
/think/ were Reagan's successes) as though he were superman. I merely
noted his most spectacular failure as a counter-example. (I don't
actually count this failure against him - the state of drug use under
both earlier and later presidents, and across the world, shows that you
can't stamp it out effectively.)

How can Reagan possibly get credit for ending the Iran hostage crisis
minutes after he was sworn in?

Because the Iranians knew Reagan wasn't a wimp like Jimmy and that he
would end it one way or another and that wasn't going to be good for them.
Jimmy could have ended it too, but he was a wimp.

Oh, nonsense. That's pure marketing piddle. The Iranians knew fine the
situation couldn't last forever, and the deal with a large sum of money
was the best they could get. They'd have handed over the hostages
regardless of who came next as president.

That's sillier than saying Obama
deserved the Nobel Peace Prize for not yet having started any wars.
Carter caused the hostage crisis, and Carter bought his way out of it -
the release was merely timed to annoy him.

Overall, Reagan was quite successful. But that is not at odds with
saying he was old and unable to process information very well.

Well obviously it is.

No, it is not. Regan was succumbing to senility while he was president,
and probably started before that. His career was based on his ability
to act like a cowboy.

You sound like the pundits that said Gorbachev
was going to screw the old man over at Geneva. Instead what happened?
Gorbachev came rolling up in that big Russia limo, emerged all bundled
up in a coat and hat, Reagan came bounding down the steps, out into the
cold in just his suit. He greated Gorbachev and towered over him
The US had already won round one. Who said that? One of the Russian
foreign ministry people that was there, said it years later.

He acted like a cowboy. That happened to be the right thing at the
right time.

Look, I am /agreeing/ that he did quite a good job as a president. He
was certainly a world apart from your current muppet. I am merely
saying that he did it without having a great understanding of what was
going on, and especially not in the details. But that is a /good/ thing
for a leader - the leader is supposed to make sure he/she is surrounded
with the right people for the details, and trust in their advice.

- he delegated to
people who did quite well at running the place. Trump is also an actor,
but he believes his own tripe and thinks he /can/ run the show. That's
why Reagan did well and Trump is a disaster.

That's BS too. Reagan had twenty years of putting forth ideas, writing
papers, hosting radio talk shows about everything from man's relationship
with govt to nuclear arms control and the USSR. Reagan had 8 years under
his belt as governor. Trump had none of that and the difference sure shows.
Besides that, Trump really is stupid and has mental problems.

You think all the ideas Reagan put forward where /his/ ideas? NaĂŻve
doesn't begin to describe that. And even then, it is missing the key
point - he may have been smart in his younger days, but he was old and
getting senile by his presidency time.

But we can agree that he was worlds above Trump. And even if we
disagree about how smart or how old and doddery Reagan was as president,
I think we can agree he was always smarter than Trump.

And I think we can also agree to leave this here.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:36:47 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Rick C wrote:

I've been in the stores and shelves are not empty.

Really? Is it just NYC? Lots of shelves are empty. Any product that
disinfects, like bleech or wipes, and toilet paper and tissues, and
water. The meat cases are 70-90% empty. I had to get there at 7am to
get a pack of toilet paper, which was limited to 1-to-a-customer. The
clerks say that old people are making repeat visits to get more because
it's all rationed at 1 per visit.

It's like buying toilet paper in the Soviet Union, unprecedented around
here. Maybe people expecting a hurricane in Florida have experienced
this but never here before.

It is worse than prior to a hurricane. The shelves are emptier, and it's gone on much longer. People only buy for a week, not six months. One Walmart had the entire lunch meat section empty, except for the package that I bought. No water, toilet paper or paper towels. The canned meats and other canned goods were mostly gone. Some sections of the store was rows of empty shelves. A Publix store was just as bare, along with Save-A-Lot. It did have water. It looked like they received an entire tractor trailer load which doesn't make sense. There is no reason, since there aren't likely to be any power failures so both well water and city water should be available without interruption.

I went to Sam's Club to pick up a prepaid order this morning. Pickups were scheduled for 8:00 AM. There were at least 50 people in line, waiting for it to open at 9:00 AM. Some of them were mad that I didn't have to wait, so I suggested they order online and prepay, like I had.

Walmart stores open at 6:00AM for people 65 and older, and 8:00 AM for everyone else.

 

Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:025ad0e1-e060-479c-85bd-0bc235800f2c@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
jlarkin wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly
did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"


Bullshit. That wall divided a country, it didn't protect a
border.

OK. So the commie bastards stopped shooting folks right out in the
open. That doesn't mean they stopped.

They just started prosecution against a tourist, former marine they
have accused of espionage.