Is Anyone in Charge of the Response to COVID-19?

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 6:50:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-4,
I suspect there was a back channel. The timing, the very day that
Reagan was inagurated, was no coincidence. I'd love to know what
Reagan told them.

It had nothing to do with Reagan. The Iranians and the US had essentially agreed on every part of the release.

ROFL. That's a good one, even for you. It just so happened that the Iranians
decided out of the goodness of their hearts to end it as Reagan was about
to enter office. You libs are really something. On the one hand Reagan
was supposed to be the crazy nuclear cowboy, he was going to start WWIII,
but it had no effect on Iran releasing the hostages.

ROFL again!




The hostages would have been released the day before Reagan's inauguration, but a last minute detail with the banks was raised. The transfer of ownership of gold was required rather than the transfer of US dollars, so the actual release did not happen until the next day after Reagan's inauguration.

Was this a matter of spite, very possibly. Was it because of some threat from Reagan, very unlikely. Thinking Reagan had something to do with the release is really just fantasy.


Just another silly lib denier.

We paid them gold, to release our diplomats? Were were trying to
create an industry, kidnapping our embassies for fun and profit? Why
bother to have a military?

Obama shipped gigabucks in cash to bad guys in Iran too.

Yup, Carter created an industry.



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"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:53:00 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Not in the way it propagates, just in the lack of immune resistance in its target (us).

How many times do you have to hear that?

He has never heard it and won't hear it now. He is incapable of hearing anything he doesn't want to hear... not unlike Trump who Fauci said he has to tell as many as four times before something sinks in.

I think Trump is just too old for the job. Like Reagan he got the job, but is not able to process information adequately.

That;s stupid, even for you. Reagan was one of the most successful presidents
in US history. His record speaks for itself. When he entered office the
economy was a disaster, double digit inflation, we were demoralized,
Iran was holding us hostage, the Cold War was ongoing, Russia had invaded
Afghanistan, we had gone from Vietnam, to Watergate, to Carter's failed
presidency. His first day in office the Iranians released the hostages
because they feared Reagan, they knew he wasn't little pussy Jimmy.
By the time he left, America's spirit was restored, we were
respected around the world again, we had signed the largest nuke deal in
history, the first that REDUCED nuclear weapons and eliminated an entire
class, inflation back to normal, interest rates back to normal, 21 mil
new, good jobs in everything from construction to high tech. Oh, and
the USSR went to the ash heap of history, we won, they lost.

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

But don't confound these haters with facts. Facts just rev them up
more.



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The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

That's right. Prior to Reagan the idea of dealing with the USSR had been
containment and trying to co-exist. Reagan's idea was simple. We win,
they lose. He re-moralized it, explained to the world why they were the
evil empire and we were the shining city on the hill. The libs were horrified
at that, said he was going to start WWIII. The results speak for themselves.

It is refreshing, once in a while, to elect a President who is on our
side.



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The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:15:16 AM UTC-7, Whoey Louie wrote:

ROFL. That's a good one, even for you. It just so happened that the Iranians
decided out of the goodness of their hearts to end it as Reagan was about
to enter office. You libs are really something.

Well, yeah, the Iranians had no interest in keeping the hostages (they had
INTERNAL issues to work out, international-relations drama was NOT
worth fighting over).
There's no likelihood that anyone in Iran knew or cared about the fine points
of Ronald Reagan's image. How could they?

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:12:39 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:51:28 +0000, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 23/03/2020 19:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:47:54 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

The Diamond Princess cruise petri dish, visible from our kitchen
window, was about as bad a disease environment as you can get. Less
than 20 per cent of people on board caught the virus. About half of
those had no symptoms. 7 people died out of 3700 passengers, all of
them over 70.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Epidemiology

Look at the chart halfway down. Why didn't those killers deserve 24/7
press and lockdowns?

The CDC was one of the first sources to let the public know that the
COVID-19 virus is primarily spread via person-to-person contact, mainly
through sneezes and coughs.

Another possible way of becoming infected is by coming into contact
with a surface that has COVID-19 on it. When someone wipes their nose,
sneezes, or coughs into their hand and touches a surface, there is a
risk of transmission to another person.

Picking it up on your hands and touching your face is generally reckoned
to the the main vector for transmission. One contaminated door knob can
hit a lot of people and so many of them unthinkingly touch their faces..

Shopping cart handles may be a major vector. Our local Safeway is
making no effort to clean them before reuse.


Aerosol you have to be quite close and unlucky. Big risk for medics at
close quarters but a relatively low one if you keep a safe distance.

Is C19 unique among seasonal flus in the way it propagates?

Its about as infectious and an order of magnitude more lethal.

Why are so many people terrified of this one?

It is a novel zoonotic disease so no-one has any immunity to it. Half
the population show almost no symptoms and not everyone with symptoms is
badly affected but those that are and develop complications require very
serious medical intervention to survive it. Viral pneumonia is the
complication which is the most fearsome of its side/after effects.

Left to its own devices it will kill about 3% of the population before
it becomes self limiting. Here are the current statistics:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/


That probably ignores asymptomatics and unreported mild cases, which
may be the majority of cases.

The "recovered" rate is weird. In the US, the rate is very low, about
0.6%. In some countries it's over 50%.


Mostly it kills the over 70's but a few unlucky health workers will also
die particularly if the correct PPE is not provided for them.

I suspect that outcome is now unavoidable and all we are doing at
present with the half hearted lock down is delaying the inevitable.

We could maximally protect the people who need it and let it burn out
generally.



UK population behaved like lemmings over the weekend in the spring
sunshine and the virus will have spread to a large part of the country..

I was in a Publix a couple days ago. one employee was wiping them down as they were returned.

Today the two Food Lion employees were wiping them down, but only in a very cursory manner. I had my own can of cleaner and tried showing one how to cover the handle in cleaner and let it set for some seconds before wiping it off. Not sure it had much of an impact on him.

They talk about scrubbing your hands for 20 seconds. Maybe I should have mentioned that to him.

Oh well. We all need to look out for ourselves, that's why I had my own cleaner.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:21:08 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
jlarkin wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"


Bullshit. That wall divided a country, it didn't protect a border.

The US wall divides the US pretty clearly. That was its purpose from day one.

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[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 1:21:08 AM UTC-7, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
jlarkin wrote:

Remember "Tear down this wall, Mr Gorbachev"? Which he promptly did.

What a contrast now: "We need a wall!"


Bullshit. That wall divided a country, it didn't protect a border.

Not entirely accurate; tribal nations are recognized, and DID cross some
of what is now the US/Mexico border. The more telling difference
is that the Berlin wall kept the citizens IN, and a right to leave your
country is recognized internationally.

It's article thirteen here:

<https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html>

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 8:55:07 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:43:01 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:22:27 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:51:36 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:16:08 AM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 10:09:36 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:
The market will recover and people's investments will return.

Not if the company goes bankrupt. The stockholders typically get wiped
out.


Yeah, that part's not quite true.
And it depends greatly upon the type of bankruptcy.


A reorganization or restructuring writes off debt, but is done so in a manner adjudicated fair by the bankruptcy judge. Nearly all debt holders will take some sort of a haircut, and some get warrants too.


If it's a liquidation (no re-org possible), then the company is sold off and the proceeds go to the debt holders, typically with senior debt paid first, and the rest to subordinated debt (if any monies or value-assets remain).

But people get paid. Ever hear of "Pennies on the dollar"?
Occasionally, people go to prison.


I agree. The point is that with America shut down, we don't have the
time to go through a bankruptcy process for each of the companies and
find out, like Rick wants. It's that simple. Even Obama recognized
that. Today many Democrats have gone Bernie commie crazy. As further
evidence, look at the Democrats trying to queer the emergency stimulus
by trying to put carbon restriction on the airlines in it, insisting
that $30K in student loans be forgiven, etc. Totally nuts.

You are showing that you don't understand the most basic of issues regarding the impact on the economy. Going through bankruptcy won't require businesses to stop doing anything. They can continue to function the entire time.

And what happens when the suppliers have their credit lines reduced,
cut because vendors to them are unsure if their bills will be paid?

You don't know much about business. The smaller suppliers live and die on the larger customers. They give them credit because that's what it takes to get the business. It's only 30 days.

No, you don't understand what I'm talking about. As soon as there is talk
of someone going into bankruptcy, creditors throughout the supply chain
get worried and it's those that extend credit to them that can start to
cut back on credit lines and exposure. Even your Democrat buddies understand
this, they are passing the bailout. It doesn't put companies into
bankruptcy.




It's not like it's a make or break decision for anyone. Don't give them credit and they'll go elsewhere.

Sure. Good luck with that, getting new credit lines when you're business
is in the toilet. In the toilet, not just because of company A going
BANKRUPT, but also because all your business is in the crapper due to Covid.
Knowing your attitude, just let them go bankrupt, it would be pretty
stupid to extend more credit to companies in crisis. Even loons like
Pelosi and Schumer understand that.


Everyone will be hurting so there will be plenty of suppliers looking for your business.


What happens to money market funds holding any paper? What happens
to the pension funds that take a hit as the stock goes to zero?
And why do that? Oh, because you and Bernie think it's a great idea
instead of making loans. You want all the above damage to occur and
only then make the loans. REally stupid, even for you. Is that what
Obama did?

WTF are you babbling about? Yes, that is exactly what Obama did, lend money to GM and others through bankruptcy getting a piece of the company in the process. That's where I got the idea.

BS. GM was the exception, the vast majority of companies that Obama,
yes, that's right, OBAMA bailed out did not file for bankruptcy.





This is not likely to last long enough to actually cause our major businesses to go bankrupt anyway.

And you know this how? You've analyzed the cash flows?



That's why there's no need for massive aid to every company.

No one has said it will be to every company.



Tesla has already said they have enough funds to ride this out. GM is closing down many of it's plants as is Ford as they switch direction from gas vehicles to battery. In some ways this will be good for them.

That's incredibly stupid, even for you.

Don't talk to me, tell that to Tesla.

Show us where Tesla said the Covid disaster will be good for them.





Now they don't have to pay salaries and can spend their time doing engineering and design which they so desperately need to complete to complete the switch over.

Boeing may be a different story. Yes, bankruptcy is one potential result and there is no reason to bail them out without many assurances to the US taxpayers.

I think this conversation has reached an end. I hear what you are saying but I don't agree. The main difference is I am not calling you names. When you argue with DLUNU I have a hard time telling who is who because of the excessive personal insults on both sides. I usually skip reading past the first paragraph because the rest is all repetitious insults.

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Too bad, but there is only so much stupid that one can tolerate.

This will go on forever. You can't understand anything I say and keep repeating the same mistaken stuff.

Ok, you win.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

You think all the ideas Reagan put forward where /his/ ideas? NaĂŻve
doesn't begin to describe that. And even then, it is missing the key
point - he may have been smart in his younger days, but he was old and
getting senile by his presidency time.

But we can agree that he was worlds above Trump. And even if we
disagree about how smart or how old and doddery Reagan was as president,
I think we can agree he was always smarter than Trump.

Reagan getting senile and the government, particularly in his second term was run by the people he brought in to work for him. They did some good stuff. It was not a bad time to be an American.

Trump is not senile and he is not stupid. But right now his only real thought is to be reelected and everything he does in this crisis is about that.

As always, everyone he has in power around him has to be a huge supporter. That's why Fauci is in trouble. Until recently Fauci has been giving us good advice and he tries hard to not contradict the things Trump says, but he can't support them either. He does the "Yes, I agree with the President.", thing and then goes on to make completely contradictory statements.

The other day when Trump referred to the "deep-state" department Fauci couldn't quite hold it in and developed a smile/smirk which he then covered up with his hand (some referred to as palming his face). That and an interview where he described Trump as an intelligent man who he has to repeat things to as many as four time for Trump to understand... well, those two things are pretty contradictory, no?

So it appears Fauci may be on the way out, or at least pushed to the background. He hasn't been present to a number of press conferences. He should be the point guy for the government's efforts since he has the expertise and is the head of a major government office.

We'll see what happens. It won't be the first time Trump has removed one of these "top" people he said he would bring in to run his presidency.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:36:47 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Rick C wrote:

I've been in the stores and shelves are not empty.

Really? Is it just NYC? Lots of shelves are empty. Any product that
disinfects, like bleech or wipes, and toilet paper and tissues, and
water. The meat cases are 70-90% empty. I had to get there at 7am to
get a pack of toilet paper, which was limited to 1-to-a-customer. The
clerks say that old people are making repeat visits to get more because
it's all rationed at 1 per visit.

I was in the market today and more things are missing. They said the warehouse hasn't refilled those items yet.

I haven't seen people clearly overshopping, but it doesn't take much. The system is set up to supply a constant stream of goods efficiently and with our various cyclic variations in mind. Everyone in the supply chain knows turkeys are bought an awful lot more at Thanksgiving and Christmas.

So it only takes a small amount of extra buying to wipe things out. The two things I couldn't get today were peanut butter and bread. I could have bought both if I ate what most people eat, but I prefer better stuff and that had not been restocked.

However, it's not like I can't survive. I'm normally stocked with canned goods for a few weeks. I just don't eat it so often and don't find it all that appealing. I will survive.

I guess I got lucking in some respects. I buy toilet paper for one person and buy it at Costco. I had a bale and a half which will last me some months. I have a bottle of bleach I barely use and had bought a few weeks ago some cleaning products for the car which I used to clean the handle of the shopping cart I used.

It's like buying toilet paper in the Soviet Union, unprecedented around
here. Maybe people expecting a hurricane in Florida have experienced
this but never here before.

Is that really your biggest concern? You are very well off then. BTW, if your stores are out of meat, this is a great time to learn about eating vegetables. Do you remember them? They are delicious and nutritious and a lot more available. I bought a stack of celery just to have something to munch on that isn't candy. Carrots are great munching food too. Squashes and root veggies are great main courses. Try to find some pine nuts which make a great garnish for all of the above.

"Do" what???

Hoard, obviously.

You tossed the context so now it means even less.

I expected us to have WORKING test kits when this started
[...]
That's a far cry from having "the kits at the beginning".

That sounds inconsistent.

More removal of context... so I have no idea what you are talking about. But clearly there were problems getting sufficient test kits. Were you trying to say there was no problem with them? You don't seem to be saying anything at all.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:55:45 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 9:25:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:53:00 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

> >That's right. Prior to Reagan the idea of dealing with the USSR had been
containment and trying to co-exist. Reagan's idea was simple. We win,
they lose. He re-moralized it, explained to the world why they were the
evil empire and we were the shining city on the hill. The libs were horrified at that, said he was going to start WWIII. The results speak for themselves.

Russia is even more evil than it was under Communism? Great result.

It is refreshing, once in a while, to elect a President who is on our
side.

John Larkin has to settle for a president who John Larkin thinks is on his side.
Since John Larkin is a gullible twit, all Trump has to do to get John Larkin to think that is to say that he is, and throw a little money at John Larkin sized businesses.

Donald Trump is actually on Donald Trump's side, and because he lacks the attention span to listen to good advice, he's not his own most reliable ally.

His current enthusiasm for ending lock-down early to save the economy, at the cost of a whole lot of lives, isn't going to work out well.

Both he and John Larkin are in the age-group for whom it is a particularly bad idea.

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[David Brown]

On 25/03/2020 23:17, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

You think all the ideas Reagan put forward where /his/ ideas?
NaĂŻve doesn't begin to describe that. And even then, it is missing
the key point - he may have been smart in his younger days, but he
was old and getting senile by his presidency time.

But we can agree that he was worlds above Trump. And even if we
disagree about how smart or how old and doddery Reagan was as
president, I think we can agree he was always smarter than Trump.

Reagan getting senile and the government, particularly in his second
term was run by the people he brought in to work for him. They did
some good stuff. It was not a bad time to be an American.

Trump is not senile and he is not stupid. But right now his only
real thought is to be reelected and everything he does in this crisis
is about that.

As always, everyone he has in power around him has to be a huge
supporter. That's why Fauci is in trouble. Until recently Fauci has
been giving us good advice and he tries hard to not contradict the
things Trump says, but he can't support them either. He does the
"Yes, I agree with the President.", thing and then goes on to make
completely contradictory statements.

Fauci is smart - he knows Trump's attention span is only a few seconds
long. This way he can placate Trump's narcissism first, then go on to
give the real message to anyone smart enough to listen.

The other day when Trump referred to the "deep-state" department
Fauci couldn't quite hold it in and developed a smile/smirk which he
then covered up with his hand (some referred to as palming his face).
That and an interview where he described Trump as an intelligent man
who he has to repeat things to as many as four time for Trump to
understand... well, those two things are pretty contradictory, no?

So it appears Fauci may be on the way out, or at least pushed to the
background. He hasn't been present to a number of press conferences.
He should be the point guy for the government's efforts since he has
the expertise and is the head of a major government office.

We'll see what happens. It won't be the first time Trump has removed
one of these "top" people he said he would bring in to run his
presidency.

Indeed it would not be. It will be a sad day for your country (and
therefore the rest of the world) if he kicks out Fauci.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:78856a7f-5a19-4bc6-
96d9-1184a6e942ae@googlegroups.com:

and what casued it to pop was the
consumer electronics industry, then personal computers, you stupid
PUTZ! Not a goddamned thing Reagan did was going to stop that
already moving train you are 100% oblivious of.

You want to claim you're a Republican again?

Nice job of putting up a valid argument... NOT!
You are a fucking joke, boy.

You are a partisan retard.

That's a good one! I'm an independent, you're the one who is a Republican
and enabling Trump.



You are so clueless as to be worse than

Trump himself, and he is a party interloper. But I happen to know that
the word 'interloper' is outside your depth of understanding.

Oh, no, you're just very confused and wrong again. Trump was an interloper,
but he's taken over the GOP and he is the GOP today. You, as a member,
are enabling him.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:57:23 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 25/03/2020 14:27, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

And I think we can also agree to leave this here.

Not when you're spreading BS.


Talk to someone who cares.

How your country ended up so divided, I can't understand. There are
just so many political fanatics that it is hard to see how you can
remain a single country. (I really hope you do, of course - civil war
is not good for anyone inside or outside the country.) People like you
are so brainwashed that you think every Republican is a genius who did
nothing but good while all Democrat politicians are the devil in
disguise.

Wrong again, I'm not a Republican and I've posted here many times about
how awful Trump is.





Democrat fanatics are only marginally less bad. You have no

nuance, no shades of grey - no ability to see that perhaps someone else
has a point, or that perhaps what you have heard is somewhat biased.

More baloney. I rely on FACTS.

There are some Americans (including some voices of reason in this group)
who seem to be able to transcend this bickering and see that your
country is in deep trouble at the moment, and has to pull together to
survive. I hope they are the ones that win out in the end.

That doesn't appear very likely, the country is becoming increasingly
polarized and it's Democrats that have moved the furthest from center.
Just look at their open borders policies, for example. Just a decade
ago, they were nowhere near that insane.

 

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:57:17 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 25/03/2020 14:27, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

And I think we can also agree to leave this here.

Not when you're spreading BS.


Talk to someone who cares.

How your country ended up so divided, I can't understand. There are
just so many political fanatics that it is hard to see how you can
remain a single country. (I really hope you do, of course - civil war
is not good for anyone inside or outside the country.) People like you
are so brainwashed that you think every Republican is a genius who did
nothing but good while all Democrat politicians are the devil in
disguise. Democrat fanatics are only marginally less bad. You have no
nuance, no shades of grey - no ability to see that perhaps someone else
has a point, or that perhaps what you have heard is somewhat biased.

There are some Americans (including some voices of reason in this group)
who seem to be able to transcend this bickering and see that your
country is in deep trouble at the moment, and has to pull together to
survive. I hope they are the ones that win out in the end.

People are posting a lot of insults on Twitter (and here) but they
aren't killing one another in the streets. One thing that storms and
earthquakes and, in this case, a cold virus, do is make people
distinctively nicer to one another in public. Grocery stores are
jammed now, but you see a lot more people saying "oh, you only have a
few things, get ahead of me in line." I've been on both sides of that
lately. People are driving better too.

The most considerate driving that I've seen, almost annoyingly nice,
was when all the traffic lights were out, after a hurricane or an
earthquake.

The US has the opposite reaction to many public events from other
places. When bad things happen, people get distinctly kinder, more
helpful, more generous. My village has an email list where people are
going to silly lengths to be good to one another now. People who have
stuff are offering to give some away. One woman down the street
apologized for her little girls making noise in the street, disturbing
people working at home. I think they are cute.

Crime goes down during a public crisis here. At Mardi Gras in New
Orleans, everybody leaves home on Fat Tuesday and goes downtown to the
parades. Burglaries basically stop. The burglers are downtown too.
Same thing in earthquakes, very little crime or looting.

USians don't panic in crowds either. We don't trample one another to
death. We don't riot or kill at sports events; the winners buy beer
for the losers. Maybe I have that backwards. That's a serious
statement about personal dynamics that should be studied.

This worldwide corona-panic deserves serious study too.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 15.40.26 UTC+1 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:

USians don't panic in crowds either. We don't trample one another to
death. We don't riot or kill at sports events; the winners buy beer
for the losers. Maybe I have that backwards. That's a serious
statement about personal dynamics that should be studied.

nonsense, USA have had people trampled to death in panic and riots at
sport events just like every where else

 

[David Brown]

On 26/03/2020 15:40, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:57:17 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 25/03/2020 14:27, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

And I think we can also agree to leave this here.

Not when you're spreading BS.


Talk to someone who cares.

How your country ended up so divided, I can't understand. There are
just so many political fanatics that it is hard to see how you can
remain a single country. (I really hope you do, of course - civil war
is not good for anyone inside or outside the country.) People like you
are so brainwashed that you think every Republican is a genius who did
nothing but good while all Democrat politicians are the devil in
disguise. Democrat fanatics are only marginally less bad. You have no
nuance, no shades of grey - no ability to see that perhaps someone else
has a point, or that perhaps what you have heard is somewhat biased.

There are some Americans (including some voices of reason in this group)
who seem to be able to transcend this bickering and see that your
country is in deep trouble at the moment, and has to pull together to
survive. I hope they are the ones that win out in the end.


People are posting a lot of insults on Twitter (and here) but they
aren't killing one another in the streets. One thing that storms and
earthquakes and, in this case, a cold virus, do is make people
distinctively nicer to one another in public. Grocery stores are
jammed now, but you see a lot more people saying "oh, you only have a
few things, get ahead of me in line." I've been on both sides of that
lately. People are driving better too.

The most considerate driving that I've seen, almost annoyingly nice,
was when all the traffic lights were out, after a hurricane or an
earthquake.

The US has the opposite reaction to many public events from other
places. When bad things happen, people get distinctly kinder, more
helpful, more generous. My village has an email list where people are
going to silly lengths to be good to one another now. People who have
stuff are offering to give some away. One woman down the street
apologized for her little girls making noise in the street, disturbing
people working at home. I think they are cute.

Crime goes down during a public crisis here. At Mardi Gras in New
Orleans, everybody leaves home on Fat Tuesday and goes downtown to the
parades. Burglaries basically stop. The burglers are downtown too.
Same thing in earthquakes, very little crime or looting.

USians don't panic in crowds either. We don't trample one another to
death. We don't riot or kill at sports events; the winners buy beer
for the losers. Maybe I have that backwards. That's a serious
statement about personal dynamics that should be studied.

This worldwide corona-panic deserves serious study too.

I think what you mean to say is that most Americans are basically nice
people, just like most other people across the world. You really are
not outstanding in that way at all.

When Katrina hit New Orleans, many people didn't want to evacuate or
leave their homes or businesses because they were afraid of looting and
burglary. And they were right, in a sense - there was a lot of that
going on. When someone asked the Japanese how they prevent looting
after disasters (since they have a fair number of earthquakes, tidal
waves, etc.), they said "What does looting mean? We don't have that
concept here."

My impression - looking from outside - is that Americans are mostly sort
of normal people, as individuals. They are neither better nor worse
than most other countries in times of crisis.

About the only outstanding thing I see in Americans is their
overwhelming belief in the superiority of everything American.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:40:26 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

USians don't panic in crowds either. We don't trample one another to
death. We don't riot or kill at sports events; the winners buy beer
for the losers. Maybe I have that backwards. That's a serious
statement about personal dynamics that should be studied.

I see Larkin is wearing his rose colored glasses again. We are very polite at concerts right up to the point when the bullets rain down.

Same in schools, malls and highways. I used to joke about the DC traffic that they could relieve beltway congestion by shooting someone once in a while. Then it happened.

Yes, we are a very polite people here in the US.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 7:16:49 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 25/03/2020 23:17, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

You think all the ideas Reagan put forward where /his/ ideas?
NaĂŻve doesn't begin to describe that. And even then, it is missing
the key point - he may have been smart in his younger days, but he
was old and getting senile by his presidency time.

But we can agree that he was worlds above Trump. And even if we
disagree about how smart or how old and doddery Reagan was as
president, I think we can agree he was always smarter than Trump.

Reagan getting senile and the government, particularly in his second
term was run by the people he brought in to work for him. They did
some good stuff. It was not a bad time to be an American.

Trump is not senile and he is not stupid. But right now his only
real thought is to be reelected and everything he does in this crisis
is about that.

As always, everyone he has in power around him has to be a huge
supporter. That's why Fauci is in trouble. Until recently Fauci has
been giving us good advice and he tries hard to not contradict the
things Trump says, but he can't support them either. He does the
"Yes, I agree with the President.", thing and then goes on to make
completely contradictory statements.

Fauci is smart - he knows Trump's attention span is only a few seconds
long. This way he can placate Trump's narcissism first, then go on to
give the real message to anyone smart enough to listen.

Fauci is being attacked my web sites and commentators who support Trump. Trump hears that and it shapes his opinions. It seems Trump's policies are shaped by those who comment on him rather than Trump having his own opinions.

The other day when Trump referred to the "deep-state" department
Fauci couldn't quite hold it in and developed a smile/smirk which he
then covered up with his hand (some referred to as palming his face).
That and an interview where he described Trump as an intelligent man
who he has to repeat things to as many as four time for Trump to
understand... well, those two things are pretty contradictory, no?

So it appears Fauci may be on the way out, or at least pushed to the
background. He hasn't been present to a number of press conferences.
He should be the point guy for the government's efforts since he has
the expertise and is the head of a major government office.

We'll see what happens. It won't be the first time Trump has removed
one of these "top" people he said he would bring in to run his
presidency.


Indeed it would not be. It will be a sad day for your country (and
therefore the rest of the world) if he kicks out Fauci.

I'm sure whoever he is replaced by would be every bit as qualified like Pence for example.

--

Rick C.

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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:jeep7fh5ggh1nm472p3od8tjphfh1p2rav@4ax.com:

People are posting a lot of insults on Twitter (and here) but they
aren't killing one another in the streets.

You are an idiot. All those dumbfucks at the parks and beaches are
transmission vectors, you stupid, brainless wonder. They ARE "killing
one another in the streets".

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 11:11:40 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 26/03/2020 15:40, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:57:17 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 25/03/2020 14:27, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 5:58:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

And I think we can also agree to leave this here.

Not when you're spreading BS.


Talk to someone who cares.

How your country ended up so divided, I can't understand. There are
just so many political fanatics that it is hard to see how you can
remain a single country. (I really hope you do, of course - civil war
is not good for anyone inside or outside the country.) People like you
are so brainwashed that you think every Republican is a genius who did
nothing but good while all Democrat politicians are the devil in
disguise. Democrat fanatics are only marginally less bad. You have no
nuance, no shades of grey - no ability to see that perhaps someone else
has a point, or that perhaps what you have heard is somewhat biased.

There are some Americans (including some voices of reason in this group)
who seem to be able to transcend this bickering and see that your
country is in deep trouble at the moment, and has to pull together to
survive. I hope they are the ones that win out in the end.


People are posting a lot of insults on Twitter (and here) but they
aren't killing one another in the streets. One thing that storms and
earthquakes and, in this case, a cold virus, do is make people
distinctively nicer to one another in public. Grocery stores are
jammed now, but you see a lot more people saying "oh, you only have a
few things, get ahead of me in line." I've been on both sides of that
lately. People are driving better too.

The most considerate driving that I've seen, almost annoyingly nice,
was when all the traffic lights were out, after a hurricane or an
earthquake.

The US has the opposite reaction to many public events from other
places. When bad things happen, people get distinctly kinder, more
helpful, more generous. My village has an email list where people are
going to silly lengths to be good to one another now. People who have
stuff are offering to give some away. One woman down the street
apologized for her little girls making noise in the street, disturbing
people working at home. I think they are cute.

Crime goes down during a public crisis here. At Mardi Gras in New
Orleans, everybody leaves home on Fat Tuesday and goes downtown to the
parades. Burglaries basically stop. The burglers are downtown too.
Same thing in earthquakes, very little crime or looting.

USians don't panic in crowds either. We don't trample one another to
death. We don't riot or kill at sports events; the winners buy beer
for the losers. Maybe I have that backwards. That's a serious
statement about personal dynamics that should be studied.

This worldwide corona-panic deserves serious study too.


I think what you mean to say is that most Americans are basically nice
people, just like most other people across the world. You really are
not outstanding in that way at all.

When Katrina hit New Orleans, many people didn't want to evacuate or
leave their homes or businesses because they were afraid of looting and
burglary. And they were right, in a sense - there was a lot of that
going on. When someone asked the Japanese how they prevent looting
after disasters (since they have a fair number of earthquakes, tidal
waves, etc.), they said "What does looting mean? We don't have that
concept here."

My impression - looking from outside - is that Americans are mostly sort
of normal people, as individuals. They are neither better nor worse
than most other countries in times of crisis.

About the only outstanding thing I see in Americans is their
overwhelming belief in the superiority of everything American.

Please don't paint all Americans with a Larkin brush.

--

Rick C.

-+-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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