Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:41:23 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 09/04/2023 02:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 10:42:31 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 19:23, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 00:31:28 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 05:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:50:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

Bless!

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Let\'s have a poll of how high the Commander\'s IQ is. I\'ll push at
75.

145 actually.

That\'s a blatant lie on so many counts. Your behaviour is also more
akin to a 10 year old vying for attention.
There are some with 145 that behave like that.

When you use LTSpice and post here your netlist to predict the
outcome to your diode in series with a transformer issue then I will
accept your IQ may be over 100.

Until then 75 sounds a more accurate appraisal.
No one with 75 can manage an honors degree in physics. .

No one with an \"honors degree in physics\" would ever ask some of the
questions he\'s asked.

Bullshit. Plenty of those involved in theoretical physics would.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I\'m never that stupid. You clearly have has sweet fuck all
to do with those involved in theoretical physics as a career.

Mr Hucker would probably have spelled \"honor\" like that in any
unsubstantiated claim of his.

Trivial to check if that certificate he posted the photo of is a fake
or not.

A quick Google has failed to come up with his certificate. Any idea
where it\'s posted?

Definitely in uk.d-i-y

Years ago, maybe even a decade ago now, but I am hopeless
at estimating when things happened in the past.

It should show up in groups.google but I find that impossible
to use even with stuff I am absolutely certain is in there. For
some reason it is nowhere near a brilliant as google itself.

Complicated by the fact that he changed his nick much more then.

 

[alan_m]

On 10/04/2023 15:35, Fredxx wrote:

There is more to F1 racing than turning a steering wheel. There are some
pretty immense G-forces that act on the body.

The important aspect of racing is that only the best of the best get to
drive in a professional capacity. It just so happens that on the whole
they are men?

Probably no difference to flying a fast jet fighter plane and both the
UK and US air forces have an increasing number of female pilots in that
role.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:44:07 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

 

[Fredxx]

On 11/04/2023 18:44, Rod Speed wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:41:23 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 09/04/2023 02:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 10:42:31 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 19:23, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 00:31:28 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 05:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:50:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

Bless!

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Let\'s have a poll of how high  the Commander\'s IQ is. I\'ll push
at 75.

 145 actually.

That\'s a blatant lie on so many counts. Your behaviour is also
more akin to a 10 year old vying for attention.
 There are some with 145 that behave like that.

When you use LTSpice and post here your netlist to predict the
outcome to your diode in series with a transformer issue then I
will accept your IQ may be over 100.

Until then 75 sounds a more accurate appraisal.
 No one with 75 can manage an honors degree in physics. .

No one with an \"honors degree in physics\" would ever ask some of the
questions he\'s asked.

 Bullshit. Plenty of those involved in theoretical physics would.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I\'m never that stupid. You clearly have has sweet fuck all
to do with those involved in theoretical physics as a career.

I have. And yes you\'re too stupid to agree with anyone.

Mr Hucker would probably have spelled \"honor\" like that in any
unsubstantiated claim of his.

 Trivial to check if that certificate he posted the photo of is a
fake or not.

A quick Google has failed to come up with his certificate. Any idea
where it\'s posted?

Definitely in uk.d-i-y

Anyone with grey matter between the ears would know this is not a binary
group.

Years ago, maybe even a decade ago now, but I am hopeless
at estimating when things happened in the past.

It should show up in groups.google but I find that impossible
to use even with stuff I am absolutely certain is in there. For
some reason it is nowhere near a brilliant as google itself.

Complicated by the fact that he changed his nick much more then.

I didn\'t expect you to come up with the goods. His true name is Peter
Hucker, so not sure why the identities of his socks matter?

 

[Martin Brown]

On 10/04/2023 22:26, alan_m wrote:

On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is now
about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only changes
here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I\'d say it was more like a factor of 7x rather than 10x but you have
missed the crucial point that the UK was in a really stupid position. We
have almost no gas UK storage capacity ~10 days so are in effect always
buying on the spot market (they doubled it by un-moth balling a facility
just in time for the winter price peak).

The main reason that UK electricity is so high is that the price we pay
for our electricity is directly linked to the price of gas (which is the
final demand matching fast response gas turbine kit).

It got so bad that the government had to cap the retain price and
various firms selling to consumers went bust when their cost to buy
energy on the spot market exceeded the price they were contracted to
sell it for. We have been forced to buy electricity in at usurious
prices because our ageing infrastructure isn\'t up to the job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/

£9,724 per MWhr is all time record. I suspect they only did it because
it was the SE that was affected. NE or NW and they\'d have just let it
drop storm Arwen style.

> The UK saw price rises of around 100% overnight, and with more to come.

UK gas price is incredibly volatile since the Russian invasion of
Ukraine but it was pretty bad the previous year when high energy users
like fertiliser plants held the government to ransom over rising energy
costs.

https://www.ft.com/content/736739a3-780d-4480-a398-37ce1edf99e8

It was 46p/therm in Feb 21, 188p in Feb 22 and peaked at 356p in Aug 23

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1174560/average-monthly-gas-prices-uk/

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity was
already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have storage
capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn lucky that
it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have frozen!

--
Martin Brown

 

[alan_m]

On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity was
already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have storage
capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn lucky that
it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have frozen!

But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a lack
of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the green
revolution?

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that there
will be no return for future investment when all our energy come from
renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way, oil
and gas are banned!


--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 07:41:35 +1000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2023 15:37, Martin Brown wrote:

Our government views privatisation as the solution to everything!

The majority of the population regard politicians as incompetent. Why
would anyone want them to also run our utilities and railways?

When they rightly decide that the privateers are rapacious.

In my local area many people blame the Tory council for recently
awarding bad private contracts. They don\'t seem to realise that it is
the Labour/Liberal partnership that is in control, and has been for many
years

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:44:12 +1000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2023 15:35, Fredxx wrote:

There is more to F1 racing than turning a steering wheel. There are
some pretty immense G-forces that act on the body.
The important aspect of racing is that only the best of the best get
to drive in a professional capacity. It just so happens that on the
whole they are men?

Probably no difference to flying a fast jet fighter plane

Very different actually. Modern fast jet fighter planes are
about firing missiles that take down another plane quite
literally hundreds of miles away without ever seeing it.

And ground attack doesnt use fast jet fighter planes.

and both the UK and US air forces have an increasing number of female
pilots in that role.

And it remains to be seen how well they perform when it comes to the
crunch.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:53:24 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 11/04/2023 18:44, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:41:23 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 09/04/2023 02:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 10:42:31 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 19:23, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 00:31:28 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 05:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:50:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

Bless!

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Let\'s have a poll of how high the Commander\'s IQ is. I\'ll push
at 75.

145 actually.

That\'s a blatant lie on so many counts. Your behaviour is also
more akin to a 10 year old vying for attention.
There are some with 145 that behave like that.

When you use LTSpice and post here your netlist to predict the
outcome to your diode in series with a transformer issue then I
will accept your IQ may be over 100.

Until then 75 sounds a more accurate appraisal.
No one with 75 can manage an honors degree in physics. .

No one with an \"honors degree in physics\" would ever ask some of the
questions he\'s asked.

Bullshit. Plenty of those involved in theoretical physics would.

We will have to agree to disagree.
I\'m never that stupid. You clearly have has sweet fuck all
to do with those involved in theoretical physics as a career.

I have.

But are too stupid to have noticed that
they can be as ignorant as the PHucker.

Mr Hucker would probably have spelled \"honor\" like that in any
unsubstantiated claim of his.

Trivial to check if that certificate he posted the photo of is a
fake or not.

A quick Google has failed to come up with his certificate. Any idea
where it\'s posted?

Definitely in uk.d-i-y

Anyone with grey matter between the ears would know this is not a binary
group.

It was a link to the image, fuckwit.

Years ago, maybe even a decade ago now, but I am hopeless
at estimating when things happened in the past.
It should show up in groups.google but I find that impossible
to use even with stuff I am absolutely certain is in there. For
some reason it is nowhere near a brilliant as google itself.

Complicated by the fact that he changed his nick much more then.

I didn\'t expect you to come up with the goods.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> His true name is Peter Hucker,

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist terminal fuckwits ?

> so not sure why the identities of his socks matter?

Thats what you need to find the link he posted, fuckwit.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:45:04 +0100, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2023 22:26, alan_m wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is now
about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only changes
here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I\'d say it was more like a factor of 7x rather than 10x but you have
missed the crucial point that the UK was in a really stupid position. We
have almost no gas UK storage capacity ~10 days so are in effect always
buying on the spot market (they doubled it by un-moth balling a facility
just in time for the winter price peak).

The main reason that UK electricity is so high is that the price we pay
for our electricity is directly linked to the price of gas (which is the
final demand matching fast response gas turbine kit).

It got so bad that the government had to cap the retain price and
various firms selling to consumers went bust when their cost to buy
energy on the spot market exceeded the price they were contracted to
sell it for. We have been forced to buy electricity in at usurious
prices because our ageing infrastructure isn\'t up to the job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/

£9,724 per MWhr is all time record. I suspect they only did it because
it was the SE that was affected. NE or NW and they\'d have just let it
drop storm Arwen style.

The UK saw price rises of around 100% overnight, and with more to come.

UK gas price is incredibly volatile since the Russian invasion of
Ukraine but it was pretty bad the previous year when high energy users
like fertiliser plants held the government to ransom over rising energy
costs.

https://www.ft.com/content/736739a3-780d-4480-a398-37ce1edf99e8

It was 46p/therm in Feb 21, 188p in Feb 22 and peaked at 356p in Aug 23

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1174560/average-monthly-gas-prices-uk/

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity was
already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have storage
capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn lucky that
it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have frozen!

Welcome to green-land.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 03:39:02 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 23:50:59 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 19:59:59 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply
stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they
can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so,
16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction
can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free
ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when
they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Sylvia.


You\'ll never be popular here doing that \"mathematics\" stuff.

She\'s not into being popular. She makes a complete pest of
herself claiming that the local authoritys are doing what the
legislation does not allow them to do and ALWAYS gets them
telling her to go and fuck herself using appropriate bureaucratic
language.

She is also a stupid nudist.

Sounds like a smart nudist to me.

We don\'t do that sort of thing much here. It\'s too cold.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:53:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 21:31, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:37:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 13:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.


So unless you change the throttle, the frequency would change. Since power stations are steam driven, I guess perhaps you could have a throttle in the pipe of steam feeding it? You could also turn down the gas jets to heat the boiler appropriately.

Of course steam plants have throttle valves and feedwater controls and
burner controls. Lots of other valves.





On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:10:40 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this highly unlikely. I think turning down is not so easy, since it
is AC, and has to respond to sudden loads. What should happen is that the
loading on most systems will reduce as the generator is easier to turn, but
the frequency remains the same. I do not know what method is used these days
as governors. I\'m sure its probably highly technical and not two weights and
a brake as it used to be on wind up gramophones!
Brian

Once a generator is connected to the grid, the rotor spins in sync
with the rest of the country. After that, one adjusts the steam flow
and the field excitation to tune power in/out and power factor.

The synchronization process is interesting... I used to do it by hand
and later designed a synchroscope/synchronizer. It can get dramatic if
you do it wrong.

It\'s like flying a plane, where you have the elevator and the throttle
interacting. It\'s counter-intuitive to beginners.

Steam plant is locked to the mains. It does not change speed. At most as
the steam is fed in, it advances the phase angle to feed more current
into the grid.

An noted, it\'s counter-intuitive to beginners. Steam adjusts power
(think conservation of energy) and field current adjusts phase angle,
which is why there are rotating machines with no mechanical input or
output, used only for system power factor tweaking, like a giant
capacitor.

Most generators are run near unity power factor, zero phase angle.

In fact the actual phase angle differences are minute. On a perfect
generator that would be nil, but internal resistance allows a little
phase angle to develop

Adjusting field tweaks the phase angle in either direction.

System PF correction is needed because most big loads are inductive.
Adding real or simulated capacitors is best done out in the network,
not at the generator.

The \"reactive power\", the quadrature current, increses transmission
losses.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:34:52 +1000, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 03:39:02 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 23:50:59 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 19:59:59 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb
extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply
stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they
can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging
the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping
renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they
had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing
electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price
drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so,
16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction
can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric
prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free
ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when
they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight
or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable
distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less
than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical
wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Sylvia.


You\'ll never be popular here doing that \"mathematics\" stuff.

She\'s not into being popular. She makes a complete pest of
herself claiming that the local authoritys are doing what the
legislation does not allow them to do and ALWAYS gets them
telling her to go and fuck herself using appropriate bureaucratic
language.

She is also a stupid nudist.

Sounds like a smart nudist to me.

Nothing smart about her. She is in fact completely
unemployable even given our extremely tight labor
market post covid and wastes everyone\'s time when
she is stupid enough to tell the authoritys that they
arent legally allowed to do what they are doing and
gets told to go and fuck herself EVERY TIME she trys that.

When our new suburban trains no longer allow anyone
to hit the panic button to open the doors unless central
control allows that in the event of a major train crash,
the stupid clown carrys a battery powered angle grinder
with her at all times even tho we only have a major train
crash every 50 years or so.

> We don\'t do that sort of thing much here. It\'s too cold.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:14:45 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:34:52 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 03:39:02 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 23:50:59 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 19:59:59 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb
extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply
stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they
can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging
the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping
renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they
had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing
electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price
drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so,
16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction
can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric
prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free
ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when
they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight
or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable
distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less
than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical
wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Sylvia.


You\'ll never be popular here doing that \"mathematics\" stuff.

She\'s not into being popular. She makes a complete pest of
herself claiming that the local authoritys are doing what the
legislation does not allow them to do and ALWAYS gets them
telling her to go and fuck herself using appropriate bureaucratic
language.

She is also a stupid nudist.

Sounds like a smart nudist to me.

Nothing smart about her. She is in fact completely
unemployable even given our extremely tight labor
market post covid and wastes everyone\'s time when
she is stupid enough to tell the authoritys that they
arent legally allowed to do what they are doing and
gets told to go and fuck herself EVERY TIME she trys that.

When our new suburban trains no longer allow anyone
to hit the panic button to open the doors unless central
control allows that in the event of a major train crash,
the stupid clown carrys a battery powered angle grinder
with her at all times

Yikes. On that basis, I wouldn\'t insult her.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:31:20 +1000, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:14:45 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:34:52 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 03:39:02 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 23:50:59 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 19:59:59 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too
much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb
extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off
the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines,
simply
stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they
can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging
the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping
renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they
had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing
electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price
drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops
towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so,
16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar
overproduction
can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric
prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction
in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free
ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when
they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight
or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it
through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store
energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable
distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less
than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical
wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Sylvia.


You\'ll never be popular here doing that \"mathematics\" stuff.

She\'s not into being popular. She makes a complete pest of
herself claiming that the local authoritys are doing what the
legislation does not allow them to do and ALWAYS gets them
telling her to go and fuck herself using appropriate bureaucratic
language.

She is also a stupid nudist.

Sounds like a smart nudist to me.

Nothing smart about her. She is in fact completely
unemployable even given our extremely tight labor
market post covid and wastes everyone\'s time when
she is stupid enough to tell the authoritys that they
arent legally allowed to do what they are doing and
gets told to go and fuck herself EVERY TIME she trys that.

When our new suburban trains no longer allow anyone
to hit the panic button to open the doors unless central
control allows that in the event of a major train crash,
the stupid clown carrys a battery powered angle grinder
with her at all times

Yikes. On that basis, I wouldn\'t insult her.

She is 300 miles from me and I dont use sydney suburban trains.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:52:59 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:31:20 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:14:45 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:34:52 +1000, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 03:39:02 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 23:50:59 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023 19:59:59 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too
much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb
extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off
the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines,
simply
stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that
they
can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging
the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping
renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if
they
had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing
electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price
drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an
electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops
towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so,
16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar
overproduction
can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric
prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this
overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a
free
ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not
when
they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a
weight
or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it
through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store
energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable
distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less
than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical
wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Sylvia.


You\'ll never be popular here doing that \"mathematics\" stuff.

She\'s not into being popular. She makes a complete pest of
herself claiming that the local authoritys are doing what the
legislation does not allow them to do and ALWAYS gets them
telling her to go and fuck herself using appropriate bureaucratic
language.

She is also a stupid nudist.

Sounds like a smart nudist to me.

Nothing smart about her. She is in fact completely
unemployable even given our extremely tight labor
market post covid and wastes everyone\'s time when
she is stupid enough to tell the authoritys that they
arent legally allowed to do what they are doing and
gets told to go and fuck herself EVERY TIME she trys that.

When our new suburban trains no longer allow anyone
to hit the panic button to open the doors unless central
control allows that in the event of a major train crash,
the stupid clown carrys a battery powered angle grinder
with her at all times

Yikes. On that basis, I wouldn\'t insult her.

She is 300 miles from me and I dont use sydney suburban trains.

And I don\'t insult her, just state the facts about her.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:48:34 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Very different actually. Modern fast jet fighter planes are about firing
missiles that take down another plane quite literally hundreds of miles
away without ever seeing it.

They are also fly-by-wire. Some like the retired F-117 were inherently
unstable and couldn\'t be flown by a mere human. The F-35 has \'relaxed
stability\' so it probably is in the category.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaxed_stability

F1 cars do not have driver assist

https://onestopracing.com/do-f1-cars-have-traction-control/

My car has traction and stability control and thankfully I can turn them
off. They\'re fine 99% of the time but if you get playful, particularly on
dirt, you can find yourself sitting dead in the water. They really don\'t
like drifting through a turn. (classic drift, not the modern art form)

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:45:40 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:48:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
pamela about Rodent Speed:
\"His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows...\"
MID: <XnsA90B720A381A2D4AM2@81.171.92.183>

 

[Peeler]

On 12 Apr 2023 04:08:46 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> They are also fly-by-wire. Some like the retired F-117 were inherently

Is it now about jet-planes, you idiotic endlessly gossiping senile hayseed
and pathological bigmouth?

--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip\'s thrilling
life:
\"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it.\"