Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 12:54:28 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 06:50:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 20:25:35 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:15:40 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:40:42 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:39:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:39:21 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:


What to do with excess energy production during wind overproduction

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

Water powered air conditioning?! Water isn\'t cold enough.

Air conditioning requires a lot of energy for moving heat from indoor
20 C to outdoor 30 C.

However, if the indoor heat is dumped into 0 to +20 C water, very
little energy is needed.

The specific heat for water is 4 kJ/kg/K, thus 80 kJ/kg can be dumped
when the water is warmed from 0 to +20 C.

If excess wind production is used to make ice, 330 kJ(kg can be dumped
while going from 0 C ice to 0 C water. If the water is then allowed to
warm to +20 C, a total of 410 kJ can be dumped. Assume a 1000 liter
ice(water tank that is 410 MJ that is over 100 kWh.

Using only water, 0 C to +20 C is still about 20 kWh.

The water sounds good, but the transport of ice could be a problem.

What is the problem with ice ? People make ice cubes for their whisky
in the fridge.

For an automated system two tanks are required, one smaller for ice
and a slightly larger for ice. On top of the ice tank install a
compressor which during cheap electricity makes ice cubes or thin ice
sheets, dropping into the ice tank.A small low power pump takes the
molten water from the bottom of the ice tank and pumps it to the water
tank to be processed the next night.

If no ice is used and the water temperature is kept above +4 C, a
single water tank should be sufficient, since the water can be kept in
layers.

I meant getting the ice to where you use it. I thought your idea was to use ice too cool homes?

You make the ice at home during cheap night time electricity. During
hot and expensive day, blow warm outside air through the ice into your
home.

You may also integrate existing air conditioning units with the ice
tank, thus reduce the temperature difference the AC has to work
against and hence save expensive daytime electricity.

Just sit on the ice.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 13:04:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/04/2023 12:54, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

You make the ice at home during cheap night time electricity. During
hot and expensive day, blow warm outside air through the ice into your
home.

You may also integrate existing air conditioning units with the ice
tank, thus reduce the temperature difference the AC has to work
against and hence save expensive daytime electricity.

Here I have a much better solution. At night I open the windows and the
concrete and masonry loses its heat and becomes a cool bank. By day I
close the curtains and the windows and sit inside my cool masonry.

No electricity is involved at all

You mean you open the windows by hand!?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 15:34:53 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:10:01 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:47:21 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:36:35 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 15:10:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 11:18:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 06:56:27 -0000, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-03-20, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 20/03/2023 00:27, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Domestic cats kill 2.4 billion birds annually. Windmills account for
1 in 4000 of the annual total, maybe half a million max.

To make that a fair comparison you have to use the figures for kills per
cat and kills per windmill.

Many fewer

Posh twatt. Use less.

wind turbines are needed per household than cats.

Cats are not needed at all.

Wives aren\'t either.

That is true. But doing without a wife is like doing without a TV.

TV is trash. I don\'t watch TV. I like to watch my wife.

Who is she fucking while you\'re watching her?

Me.

What a disgusting person you are.

And what a stupid person you are who finds something you do disgusting.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:38:47 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/23/2023 7:34 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:10:01 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:47:21 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:36:35 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 15:10:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 11:18:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 06:56:27 -0000, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-03-20, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 20/03/2023 00:27, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Domestic cats kill 2.4 billion birds annually. Windmills account for
1 in 4000 of the annual total, maybe half a million max.

To make that a fair comparison you have to use the figures for kills per
cat and kills per windmill.

Many fewer

Posh twatt. Use less.

wind turbines are needed per household than cats.

Cats are not needed at all.

Wives aren\'t either.

That is true. But doing without a wife is like doing without a TV.

TV is trash. I don\'t watch TV. I like to watch my wife.

Who is she fucking while you\'re watching her?

Me.

What a disgusting person you are. I sentence you to being trapped
inside your repulsive poo-packed mind for the rest of your life. Just
now I can\'t imagine a worse punishment.

I bet you can\'t design electronics. You don\'t have the required
personality.


It is a troll that you will never get a reasonable response from. Plonk
it, and save us the broadcasting of it\'s tripe.

Plonk me yourself you moron.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:19:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 24/04/2023 10:28, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <kalh2jF22l6U19@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes




Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Break them up, and use them in the foundations of new nuclear power
stations?

They are balsa wood foam and fibreglass. 80% made from fossil fuel .
Useless as foundations for anything. Better to burn them - get some
energy back at least

Or recycle them to make more blades.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 09:52:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/04/2023 21:00, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:04:22 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:02:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-
work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then
make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for
communications, but fucking powerful.

Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

ROFLMAO!

Coal and oil and gas are free too.
The cost is in extracting them and turning them into electricity.

There is no cost once the wind turbine is up. But the coal power
station keeps on eating coal.


Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Turbines fail about every 3 months. Usually gearboxes or bearings. They
are serviced by fossil fuelled helicopters boats and 4WD vehicles.

Which could just as easily run on electricity.

A typical nuclear reactor stays up for about a year between outages, or
even longer.

Coal is free too. Just like the wind. But you have to dig it up and
transport it. But at least it\'s stored energy.

It is a limited supply.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:00:19 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:04:22 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:02:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-
work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then
make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for
communications, but fucking powerful.

Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

ROFLMAO!

Coal and oil and gas are free too.
The cost is in extracting them and turning them into electricity.

There is no cost once the wind turbine is up. But the coal power
station keeps on eating coal.


Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

I doubt a blade costs as much as enough fuel to run a power station for 3 months.

At current costs, wind turbines are actually 10 times cheaper than average.

 

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[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:28:33 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

Less designers you poncy twat.

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:34:11 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 22/03/2023 17:28, John Larkin wrote:
On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is less genetics than familiarity. I came across a study done in
Apartheid S Africa where they evaluated competence in basic industrial
practice. Overwhelming the people who did best irrespective of race were
those whose parents understood and could handle machines.
It is terrifying how STEM inept I have seen intelligent bright children
become whose parents were ArtStudents. They expect to fail.

The common wisdom when I was in school was if you wound up with an Indian
lab partner let them handle the paperwork. They were extremely good with
theory and a danger with a screwdriver. At least at that time upper middle
class Indian kids didn\'t spend their childhood working on the family
jalopy like most American kids who wound up in an engineering school.

I assume that has changed since the \'60s as India developed diverse
industries. The talent is there but wasn\'t encouraged by the British
colonialists. India is building better Royal Enfields that the Brits ever
did

I think the caste system associated manual labor (which includes
manipulating physical objects, even on drawings) with lower classes.
So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product
designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

A neighbour here is the worts driver I have ever been driven by. He is
or was a Brahmin.
I gave up seeing him after my attempts to be kind were accepted as
simply his due as a higher caste being than myself. Fuck that.

A guy near here has a new Royal Enfield. Is that made in India? It\'s
beautiful in the classic British thumper style.

It\'s interesting that you don\'t see the electronics diversity or
semiconductor industry in India that you see in China. The Indians do
tend to be good at magnetics.


I had an Indian car mechanic for a while. Utterly superb, would *make*
parts from scrap to get old cars going. We used to sit and drink beer
together. I miss him.

Yip, I know a guy like that, makes model trains from melted down drinks cans and milk bottles. The trains look better than Hornby ones.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 1:28:49 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:28:33 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On 22 Mar 2023 15:24:34 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:22:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

<snip>

So we got a lot of superb Indian theorists and fewer actual product designers. I don\'t know if that is still the case.

Less designers you poncy twat.

Wrong. Designers are individuals so you have fewer of them. Less refers to stuff available in a form that can be divided up and dealt out in precisely the quantity you need.

I have run into Indians with excellent design skills - not many of them, but excellent design skills are rare in every nation. John Larkin doesn\'t seem to have them, but thinks he does, which makes his opinion on the subject suspect.

And John Larkin isn\'t poncy. He\'s an egomaniac, which make him just as a irritating, but in a different way.

He\'s certainly a twat, but not as much of twat as you are.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney