Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:52:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
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On 11/04/2023 18:44, alan_m wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:35, Fredxx wrote:


There is more to F1 racing than turning a steering wheel. There are
some pretty immense G-forces that act on the body.

The important aspect of racing is that only the best of the best get
to drive in a professional capacity. It just so happens that on the
whole they are men?
Probably no difference to flying a fast jet fighter plane and both the
UK and US air forces have an increasing number of female pilots in that
role.
Click to expand...
Indeed. The only thing where women are at a natural disadvantage is
strength, but power steering and brakes take care of that.

They are perfectly capable of handling the G, and equally as good at
reflexes - possibly better - and race craft.


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twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen
 
On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity
was already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have
storage capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn
lucky that it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have
frozen!

But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a lack
of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the green
revolution?
Click to expand...

No. It was run down because no one was prepared to pay for its upkeep.
Russia was such a reliable supplier of gas to the EU and we could buy it
cheaper from Qatar than by extracting from the North Sea. They never
imagined that supply security could ever be important again.

Experts warned of the short sightedness at the time but were ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-storage-prices-rough-british-gas-centrica

It needed real money spent on it to bring it back online and private
enterprise wasn\'t prepared to do that.

Same sort of logic that means now we are out of the EU brown turds float
in our rivers and bathing beaches. Raw sewage discharges are massively
up due to the same investment strategy in creaking Victoria sewers.
Profits are everything - who cares if a few swimmers get tummy bugs.

Again privatising de facto monopolies like water utilities is to blame.

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that there
will be no return for future investment when all our energy come from
renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way, oil
and gas are banned!
Click to expand...

Centrica were not prepared to fund the Rough storage facility on their
own and the government didn\'t see it as an important strategic asset.
They could not have been more wrong.

When the shit hit the fan we had no choice but to pay through the nose
to keep the lights on. Buying bulk gas on the spot market is insane!

--
Martin Brown
 
On 12/04/2023 05:08, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:48:34 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

Very different actually. Modern fast jet fighter planes are about firing
missiles that take down another plane quite literally hundreds of miles
away without ever seeing it.

They are also fly-by-wire. Some like the retired F-117 were inherently
unstable and couldn\'t be flown by a mere human. The F-35 has \'relaxed
stability\' so it probably is in the category.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaxed_stability

F1 cars do not have driver assist

https://onestopracing.com/do-f1-cars-have-traction-control/
Click to expand...
ABS and traction control no, but power steering and brakes I think they
do. Brake by wire is essential with the energy recovery systems on the
rear axle


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man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him.\"

- Leo Tolstoy
 
On 12/04/2023 01:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:53:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 21:31, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:37:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 13:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.


So unless you change the throttle, the frequency would change. Since power stations are steam driven, I guess perhaps you could have a throttle in the pipe of steam feeding it? You could also turn down the gas jets to heat the boiler appropriately.

Of course steam plants have throttle valves and feedwater controls and
burner controls. Lots of other valves.





On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:10:40 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this highly unlikely. I think turning down is not so easy, since it
is AC, and has to respond to sudden loads. What should happen is that the
loading on most systems will reduce as the generator is easier to turn, but
the frequency remains the same. I do not know what method is used these days
as governors. I\'m sure its probably highly technical and not two weights and
a brake as it used to be on wind up gramophones!
Brian

Once a generator is connected to the grid, the rotor spins in sync
with the rest of the country. After that, one adjusts the steam flow
and the field excitation to tune power in/out and power factor.

The synchronization process is interesting... I used to do it by hand
and later designed a synchroscope/synchronizer. It can get dramatic if
you do it wrong.

It\'s like flying a plane, where you have the elevator and the throttle
interacting. It\'s counter-intuitive to beginners.

Steam plant is locked to the mains. It does not change speed. At most as
the steam is fed in, it advances the phase angle to feed more current
into the grid.

An noted, it\'s counter-intuitive to beginners. Steam adjusts power
(think conservation of energy) and field current adjusts phase angle,
which is why there are rotating machines with no mechanical input or
output, used only for system power factor tweaking, like a giant
capacitor.

Most generators are run near unity power factor, zero phase angle.

In fact the actual phase angle differences are minute. On a perfect
generator that would be nil, but internal resistance allows a little
phase angle to develop

Adjusting field tweaks the phase angle in either direction.
???
Click to expand...

What are you on about?

System PF correction is needed because most big loads are inductive.
Adding real or simulated capacitors is best done out in the network,
not at the generator.

The \"reactive power\", the quadrature current, increses transmission
losses.

What are you on about?
Click to expand...

Adding power to a generator that is phase locked simply results in it
pushing harder against the grid loads, and so the rotor will advance
phase by enough to absorb the extra power.

Nothing to do with field coils or power factor.




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On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity
was already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have
storage capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn
lucky that it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have
frozen!



But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a lack
of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the green
revolution?
Click to expand...
Precisely. There was only money in investing in subsidised guaranteed
market renewables., The fact that they simply couldn\'t do the job they
were supposed to was *someone else\'s* problem.

In fact I suspect the power companies were only too eager to see a
massive electricity blackout to rub the politicians noises in their won
shit.

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that there
will be no return for future investment when all our energy come from
renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way, oil
and gas are banned!
Click to expand...
That doesn\'t explain why it was more profitable to export LNG to Europe
than use it ourselves.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
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On 12/04/2023 09:35, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity
was already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have
storage capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn
lucky that it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have
frozen!

But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a
lack of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the
green revolution?

No. It was run down because no one was prepared to pay for its upkeep.
Russia was such a reliable supplier of gas to the EU and we could buy it
cheaper from Qatar than by extracting from the North Sea. They never
imagined that supply security could ever be important again.

Experts warned of the short sightedness at the time but were ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-storage-prices-rough-british-gas-centrica

It needed real money spent on it to bring it back online and private
enterprise wasn\'t prepared to do that.

Same sort of logic that means now we are out of the EU brown turds float
in our rivers and bathing beaches. Raw sewage discharges are massively
up due to the same investment strategy in creaking Victoria sewers.
Profits are everything - who cares if a few swimmers get tummy bugs.
Click to expand...
I am sorry, but brown turds have always been floating in our rivers and
on our beaches while we were IN the EU.

Its something to do with the increasse in shit from EU immigrants.


Again privatising de facto monopolies like water utilities is to blame.

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that
there will be no return for future investment when all our energy come
from renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way,
oil and gas are banned!

Centrica were not prepared to fund the Rough storage facility on their
own and the government didn\'t see it as an important strategic asset.
They could not have been more wrong.

When the shit hit the fan we had no choice but to pay through the nose
to keep the lights on. Buying bulk gas on the spot market is insane!
Click to expand...

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intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
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On 12/04/2023 09:35, Martin Brown wrote:

Again privatising de facto monopolies like water utilities is to blame.
Click to expand...

And all these monopolies and nationalised utilities ran so well with
near zero investment for decades and with a couldn\'t care less attitude
to customers.


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On 12/04/2023 09:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that
there will be no return for future investment when all our energy come
from renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way,
oil and gas are banned!


That doesn\'t explain why it was more profitable to export LNG to Europe
than use it ourselves.
Click to expand...

We have the LNG tanker facilities to accept bulk Qatari oil. Europe
relied heavily on the Russian gas pipeline - until it was cut off. They
are still building LNG handling facilities right now (same as the UK is
desperately trying to add more gas storage to our systems).

Result everyone trying to buy what available LNG there is. We can only
store trivial amounts of LNG compared to our requirements we had to
offload it to European storage facilities (and had the recent winter
been really cold buy it back at usurious spot market prices).

--
Martin Brown
 
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is now
about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only changes
here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p
Click to expand...

No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .
 
On 10/04/2023 19:36, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 1:25 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


With normal inflation, that 5p would be about 9p.  So actual electric
increase is 6x not 10x.
Click to expand...

Using 1987 as 100, the ONS says Feb 1993 RPI was 139 while
Feb 2023 is 365. Therefore 5p in feb 1993 is now 13.13p,
so actual increase to the current *capped* rate is just under
3x, but without the subsidized cap is higher.
 
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/04/2023 22:26, alan_m wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I\'d say it was more like a factor of 7x rather than 10x but you have
missed the crucial point that the UK was in a really stupid position. We
have almost no gas UK storage capacity ~10 days so are in effect always
buying on the spot market (they doubled it by un-moth balling a facility
just in time for the winter price peak).
Click to expand...

That\'s because we make use of the storage facilities over in the EU.

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity was
already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have storage
capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn lucky that
it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have frozen!
Click to expand...

They would supply gas and electricity back to us.
 
On 12/04/2023 09:35, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity
was already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have
storage capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn
lucky that it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have
frozen!

But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a
lack of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the
green revolution?

No. It was run down because no one was prepared to pay for its upkeep.
Russia was such a reliable supplier of gas to the EU and we could buy it
cheaper from Qatar than by extracting from the North Sea. They never
imagined that supply security could ever be important again.

Experts warned of the short sightedness at the time but were ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-storage-prices-rough-british-gas-centrica

It needed real money spent on it to bring it back online and private
enterprise wasn\'t prepared to do that.

Same sort of logic that means now we are out of the EU brown turds float
in our rivers and bathing beaches. Raw sewage discharges are massively
up due to the same investment strategy in creaking Victoria sewers.
Profits are everything - who cares if a few swimmers get tummy bugs.

Again privatising de facto monopolies like water utilities is to blame.
Click to expand...

ROFL. Raw untreated sewage discharges into the sea were far worse before
privatisation. In those days piping it out to sea without even basic
filtration was how the water companies did it. There have been massive
investments to reduce or eliminate this, like the ginormous holding
tank bored under the entire length of Brighton and Hove promenade to
capture the combined rain+foul drains output during heavy rain. Then it
is pumped along to the coast towards Newhaven and treated using modern
UV treatment and other stuff.

The water boards were starved of investment after WW2 because successive
governments were spending so much money on the NHS, National Coal Board,
the docks, British Steel, British Rail, British Leyland, the
Electricity Boards, the Aerospace industry and Defence
 
On 12/04/2023 09:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/04/2023 23:29, alan_m wrote:
On 11/04/2023 21:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Last summer we were exporting gas to Europe for storage as fast as it
could be offloaded from LNG tankers. Our miniscule storage capacity
was already brim full (all 10 days of it). Most EU countries have
storage capacity of between 60 and 90 days winter usage. We were damn
lucky that it wasn\'t a particularly hard winter or the UK would have
frozen!



But wasn\'t most of our gas storage facilities run down because of a
lack of future investment because gas was no longer needed in the
green revolution?

Precisely. There was only money in investing in subsidised guaranteed
market renewables., The fact that they simply couldn\'t do the job they
were supposed to was *someone else\'s* problem.

In fact I suspect the power companies were only too eager to see a
massive electricity blackout to rub the politicians noises in their won
shit.

North sea facilities (including massive gas storage) have been rapidly
de-commissioned in the past 5 to 10 years as it is perceived that
there will be no return for future investment when all our energy come
from renewable sources and, if the various lobby groups get there way,
oil and gas are banned!


That doesn\'t explain why it was more profitable to export LNG to Europe
than use it ourselves.
Click to expand...
Because we have an importation and regasification facility in Pembroke
(paid for by the Qataries I believe). Germany had no such facility but
they have now built their own in record time so are no longer dependent
on other countries.
 
On 10/04/2023 15:37, Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:11, albert wrote:
In article <u10qc9$25eh6$1@dont-email.me>,
Martin Brown  <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
You don\'t have to run multiple cabling systems.
You can\'t practically speaking.


The UK did it by splitting the distribution network off from generating
completely. They effectively rent usage of the national distribution
grid network proportionate to how much power they put into it.

That makes the distribution grid a natural monopoly.

It is a de facto monopoly in any geographic region just like the water
and sewerage pipes in the ground and the gas pipes in the ground (and
the railway tracks for that matter). The latter in the UK is completely
FUBAR with Network Rail presiding over the gradual decline and
disintegration of our Victorian era infrastructure.
Click to expand...
Network Rail have spent billions upgrading and improving a system that
was run into the ground during WW2 and was then simply patched up for
decades by BR, who, as everyone old enough will remember, ran such a
fantastic, clean, punctual service with helpful, friendly staff (*NOT*)

Different train franchises run trains over the same tracks and the
tickets are specific to each brand - the whole thing is certifiable.
Click to expand...

If company X sells cheaper tickets for a slower, stopping service then
clearly you cannot use that ticket to travel along the same line on
a faster service which charges higher prices. You, the passenger have
to choice. With BR you had no choice.
 
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 6:39:48 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 01:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:53:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 21:31, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:37:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/03/2023 13:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.


So unless you change the throttle, the frequency would change. Since power stations are steam driven, I guess perhaps you could have a throttle in the pipe of steam feeding it? You could also turn down the gas jets to heat the boiler appropriately.

Of course steam plants have throttle valves and feedwater controls and
burner controls. Lots of other valves.





On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 12:10:40 -0000, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this highly unlikely. I think turning down is not so easy, since it
is AC, and has to respond to sudden loads. What should happen is that the
loading on most systems will reduce as the generator is easier to turn, but
the frequency remains the same. I do not know what method is used these days
as governors. I\'m sure its probably highly technical and not two weights and
a brake as it used to be on wind up gramophones!
Brian

Once a generator is connected to the grid, the rotor spins in sync
with the rest of the country. After that, one adjusts the steam flow
and the field excitation to tune power in/out and power factor.

The synchronization process is interesting... I used to do it by hand
and later designed a synchroscope/synchronizer. It can get dramatic if
you do it wrong.

It\'s like flying a plane, where you have the elevator and the throttle
interacting. It\'s counter-intuitive to beginners.

Steam plant is locked to the mains. It does not change speed. At most as
the steam is fed in, it advances the phase angle to feed more current
into the grid.

An noted, it\'s counter-intuitive to beginners. Steam adjusts power
(think conservation of energy) and field current adjusts phase angle,
which is why there are rotating machines with no mechanical input or
output, used only for system power factor tweaking, like a giant
capacitor.

Most generators are run near unity power factor, zero phase angle.

In fact the actual phase angle differences are minute. On a perfect
generator that would be nil, but internal resistance allows a little
phase angle to develop

Adjusting field tweaks the phase angle in either direction.
???

What are you on about?

System PF correction is needed because most big loads are inductive.
Adding real or simulated capacitors is best done out in the network,
not at the generator.

The \"reactive power\", the quadrature current, increses transmission
losses.

What are you on about?

Adding power to a generator that is phase locked simply results in it
pushing harder against the grid loads, and so the rotor will advance
phase by enough to absorb the extra power.
Click to expand...

What kind of gibberish word salad is that supposed to be?

> Nothing to do with field coils or power factor.

You are clueless wanker. Kindly stop posting nonsense about stuff you don\'t understand.

> WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

Fits you perfectly.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 12/04/2023 12:27, Andrew wrote:
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .
Click to expand...

That\'s not what my electricity company is saying to me

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)
 
On 12/04/2023 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 12:27, Andrew wrote:
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it?  Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .

That\'s not what my electricity company is saying to me
Click to expand...
Payment Plan Budget Direct Debit (Monthly)
About my Direct Debit
Monthly payment amount £265 (collected on 23rd of each month)
My unit rates Electricity day unit rate: 50.60p per kWh
Electricity night unit rate: 8.59p per kWh
Daily standing charge: 43.76p per day


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look exactly the same afterwards.\"

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\"Rod Speed\" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:44:12 +1000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 10/04/2023 15:35, Fredxx wrote:

There is more to F1 racing than turning a steering wheel. There are
some pretty immense G-forces that act on the body.
The important aspect of racing is that only the best of the best get
to drive in a professional capacity. It just so happens that on the
whole they are men?

Probably no difference to flying a fast jet fighter plane

Very different actually. Modern fast jet fighter planes are
about firing missiles that take down another plane quite
literally hundreds of miles away without ever seeing it.
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That\'s what they thought in the 1950s, thus the F-4
didn\'t originally have a gun. Vietnam proved that
assumption was incorrect.

And ground attack doesnt use fast jet fighter planes.
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The F-16 is a fast jet fighter and is used for ground
attack (and the F-35 will be used when the last A-10s are retired).
 
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