Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished
steel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway

Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.

Do the math.

If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.

A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in 300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

But there are many wheels.

A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t stop as quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train cannot, it\'s not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens, it just ploughs through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s high time we got rid of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:43:31 -0000, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:

rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished
steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in 300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the wheels
but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

Then the wheels should be rubber like every other vehicle. Try driving your car without tyres.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 05:45:10 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 22:43:31 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished steel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway
Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.
Do the math. A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never
been bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there
are a lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons
plus the weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So,
roughly 5000 tons traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic
energy to dump in 300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.


The wheels and the rails are steel. A train can never have enough
friction to stop at a short distance. The brakes can lock all the wheels
but the train will still move forward due to inertia.

The reference was to the Mt. Washington Cog Railway. The wheels are for
guidance but the motive power is a rack and pinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_railway

At least on Mt Washington it\'s only the engine and a small passenger car
operating at less than 10 mph. They\'re not feasible for general use.

Surely cogs can go over 10mph. Your car gearbox is full of them turning at very high speed.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 18:20:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished
steel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway

Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.

Do the math.

If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.

A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been
bored enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a
lot of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000 tons
traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump in 300\'.
I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

But there are many wheels.

A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t stop as quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train cannot, it\'s not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens, it just ploughs through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s high time we got rid of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?

Trains are about 5x as efficient as trucks for moving stuff.

Has maglev ever really worked? Most maglev systems came and went.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:51:57 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/03/2023 17:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/03/2023 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2023 13:47, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/03/2023 07:07, alan_m wrote:
On 10/03/2023 17:26, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:13:26 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/03/2023 04:14, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:50:47 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I can\'t believe you lived through the 1980s without knowing more
about
the color teal. The entire decade was colored teal and mauve.

I will have to resort to DuckDuckGo to find out what the hell
mauve is.

It was all the rage in the nineteenth century.

Ah, the Mauve Decade. I am familiar with the term but never was too
clear
about the color involved.

What about the coloured bathroom suite - I think the one I had was
called champagne but really it was a baby poo colour. At least with
white sanitary ware it\'s more obvious where to clean.

Is that a good idea? I used to live in a place where the bog was piss
colour. Er, fawn.

Blimey,is your piss fawn?

Mine is more tan to straw.

I\'d get it analysed
Are not fauns tan?

\"Regular urine color ranges from clear to pale yellow\"

Lot darker than that if you haven\'t had enough to drink.

> Tan is rather off the end of normal,

Bullshit.

> but I have \'issues\'.

 

[charles]

In article <op.11wvwlpsmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished steel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway

Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.

Do the math.

If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.

A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been bored
enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a lot
of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000
tons traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump
in 300\'. I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

But there are many wheels.

A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t stop as
quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train cannot, it\'s
not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens, it just ploughs
through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s high time we got rid
of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?

Trains run on private tracks and make their own rules

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Peeler]

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:51:16 +0000 (GMT), charles, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

> Trains run on private tracks and make their own rules

Trolls thrive on idiotic troll-feeding senile assholes like you, charles!

 

[piglet]

On 16/03/2023 3:49 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

They\'re identical, there has only ever been one way of measuring it.
Compare live and neutral.  They just keep changing the name for
marketing purposes.

No, not necessarily, many ELCBs were voltage operated. You can read up
on what makes ELCB different to RCD. Wikipedia has entries for you.

piglet

 

[SteveW]

On 16/03/2023 19:51, charles wrote:

In article <op.11wvwlpsmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished steel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway

Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.

Do the math.

If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.

A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been bored
enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a lot
of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000
tons traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump
in 300\'. I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

But there are many wheels.

A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t stop as
quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train cannot, it\'s
not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens, it just ploughs
through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s high time we got rid
of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?

Trains run on private tracks and make their own rules

More to the point, railway tracks are normally fenced off and it is
illegal for the public to access them except at level crossings - which
have lights/barriers to exclude the public when a train is approaching
or require those crossing to check that it is safe to do so (visually
for pedestrians or by phoning the signal box for vehicles). Unlike
roads, no one without specific authorisation should be on the tracks at
all, so trains should not need to stop suddenly.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:57:03 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


> Has maglev ever really worked? Most maglev systems came and went.

RPI had a mostly working model maglev train and were trying to build a
full scale demo with about a mile of track in Rensselaer, NY. That was c.
1968. I don\'t think they even got the demo working.

China and Japan at least have working systems but a cost/benefit analysis
has never been friendly to the technology.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 17:07:06 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

> Are not fauns tan?

I suppose a mythological critter can be any color it damn well pleases.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 10:14:56 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 16/03/2023 19:51, charles wrote:
In article <op.11wvwlpsmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly
polished steel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_Cog_Railway

Should be used on all tracks, then perhaps trains could stop in the
distance my car is required to by law.

Do the math.

If I did the maths I\'d get a more complete answer.

A fully laden coal car weighs about 140 tons. I\'ve never been bored
enough to count cars when I stopped at a crossing but there are a lot
of them. Let\'s say 30 for the sake of argument, 4200 tons plus the
weight of the engines. Let\'s say 4 at 200 tons each. So, roughly 5000
tons traveling at 50 mph. That\'s quite a bit of kinetic energy to dump
in 300\'. I can hear snapping axles and see flying wheels.

But there are many wheels.

A fully laden truck/lorry/whatever you call them over there can\'t stop
as
quick as a car, but it can stop in a safe distance. A train cannot,
it\'s
not fit for purpose. If something unexpected happens, it just ploughs
through it. Trains are outdated technology and it\'s high time we got
rid
of them. Maybe a maglev can stop quicker?
Trains run on private tracks and make their own rules

More to the point, railway tracks are normally fenced off

Only in western europe, just not possible in the rest of the world.

> and it is illegal for the public to access them except at level crossings

But they do anyway. In India they do it even at railway stations
and live on the rail lines too.

- which have lights/barriers to exclude the public when a train is
approaching

But trivial to walk around the barriers

or require those crossing to check that it is safe to do so (visually
for pedestrians or by phoning the signal box for vehicles).

Have fun doing that here.

Unlike roads, no one without specific authorisation should be on the
tracks at all, so trains should not need to stop suddenly.

Our rural level crossings dont have barriers.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 15:33:41 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Peeler]

On 17 Mar 2023 02:00:53 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> I suppose a mythological critter can be any color it damn well pleases.

But what pleases you more other than hearing yourself talking, bigmouth?
Eh??? ;-) LOL

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\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 17/03/2023 02:00, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 17:07:06 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

Are not fauns tan?

I suppose a mythological critter can be any color it damn well pleases.

Unfortunately we are now in etymology land where faun and fawn are used
interchangeably for at least three different things

And fawn has 4 different distinct uses.
1. a young deer
2. a supernatural nature spirit
3. a revolting colour
4. revolting sycophantic behaviour.

Urine can never be fawn, because fawn is a pastel, never a translucent,
color. To have fawn urine would mean you were pissing out solids in
suspension. You might therefore get fawn by pissing into some milk.
Otherwise urine is the colour of tea - from water, through green tea, to
fermented indian tea, depending on diet and kidney damage.



--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance\"

- John K Galbraith

 

[Max Demian]

On 16/03/2023 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/03/2023 13:47, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/03/2023 07:07, alan_m wrote:

What about the coloured bathroom suite - I think the one I had was
called champagne but really it was a baby poo colour. At least with
white sanitary ware it\'s more obvious where to clean.

Is that a good idea? I used to live in a place where the bog was piss
colour. Er, fawn.

Blimey,is your piss fawn?
No, but a fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.

--
Max Demian

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 12:10:33 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 04/03/2023 03:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:10:42 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 23/02/2023 10:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:42:21 -0000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I know someone that does just that. Some odd people calling for odd
things. Recent one was a woman calling from her apartment. This is at
4AM. \"There is a satellite dish on the roof and it is not needed.
Please send someone to take it down\"

I get irritated when I see a lack of cooperation. Two flats each with a
satellite dish a metre apart. Senseless. You can get multi-LNBs to go
on the end of the arm.

Anything communal is complicated. Whose job is it to fix it if it goes
wrong? What if one person short circuits it, or one says it\'s OK and the
other says it isn\'t? Usually all right if there is a management company
for the block.

Most people get along with their neighbours. And aren\'t those 8x LNBs 8
seperate devices? Buggering one won\'t break the others.

The multiple LNBs/transponders (or whatever) won\'t be for different
users, they\'ll be for different muxes, i.e. frequencies/polarisations.

Bullshit. I\'ve wired them up myself in a school. You take one of the eight (or two for some boxes which record multiple channels) to each box/TV. You can therefore have 4 or 8 from each dish.

And neighbours might get on in a \"Good morning, how are you\" kind of
way, but that doesn\'t mean they will realise that their system is
buggering up others\' reception, as that is a technical matter.

You cannot bugger someone\'s reception, they are seperate receivers.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 12:15:20 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 04/03/2023 03:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:17:21 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

Say port and starboard.

That\'s no more meaningfull.

Starboard=steerboard, and most steersmen were right handed.

Fuck the lefties.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 12:44:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 04/03/2023 12:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 04/03/2023 03:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:17:21 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Say port and starboard.

That\'s no more meaningfull.

Starboard=steerboard, and most steersmen were right handed.

Loosey lefty and righty tighty. For bolts...

Any plumber who needs that oughta resign right now.