Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[rbowman]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:07:56 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The Sturmey-Archer planetary hubs are sort of like TorqueFlite
transmission. I\'ve taken both apart. Lot of little bits and pieces.

Do they ever have more than 3 gears?

In that era they were both three speeds. Some of the TorqueFlites were 4
speed. I believe both Sturmey-Archer has an 8 speed and Shimano is up to
11 speeds. They aren\'t cheap.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:49:26 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 17:06:37 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 16:46:05 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:31:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> writes:

Sort of. The important factor is tractive effort; but horsepower was a known factor as well.

Indeed. From Audel\'s volume 1:

\"Horse Power - This unit was introduced by James Watt to measure the
power of his steam engines; defined as 33,000 ft. lbs. per minute.\"
Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide Vol 1. pg 78.

A farmer told me he had horses that could exceed that.

At least 10x short-term. A healthy human can peak over 1 HP.

8kW for a well fit cyclist\'s thighs, dunno what that is in old money.

https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/hp-to-kw.html

\"1 hp(I) = 745.699872 W = 0.745699872 kW\"

So 8kW = 6 HP. This seems unlikely to be true, even in the very short term.

http://bodytransform.co/Blog/Power+output+during+exercise.html

\"Tour de France cyclists run at about 500 watts for hours on end, and can hit output of 1500 watts in short bursts.\"

1500 watts is two horsepower.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Peeler]

On 17 Mar 2023 23:11:17 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

In that era they were both three speeds. Some of the TorqueFlites were 4
speed. I believe both Sturmey-Archer has an 8 speed and Shimano is up to
11 speeds. They aren\'t cheap.

Is this still that idiotic \"circuit breakers\" thread, you abnormal
passionate senile sucker of troll cock and bigmouth?

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\"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
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being widely accepted.\"
MID: <rlMUE.676067$H25.9857@usenetxs.com>

Your kind will NEVER be accepted, in NO part of the world, you filthy old
reject and pedo swine!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 11:06:32 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 07/03/2023 05:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
A speed limit for a bicycle is beyond a joke. Most of the weight of a
bicycle is the rider. Are you going to have speed limits for people
running too? Perhaps police monitoring if you lift two feet off the
ground at once?

My feeling is that *all* wheeled vehicles should be subject to the same
rules and the same penalties for failing to obey them: speed limits,
stopping at red traffic lights and occupied zebra crossings, going the
wrong way on one-way streets.

I agree with you in so far as they should be the same, but none should have rules. I drive at 100mph-120mph in a 70 limit, and why shouldn\'t I?

The fact that bicycles are lighter than
cars is irrelevant: one rule for all, no favouritism.

Don\'t be stupid. The alledged reason for the silly speed limits is safety. If you\'re lighter, you cause less harm at the same speed. And you can\'t expect a simple bicycle to have a speedometer fitted.

The only get-out-clause is that bikes can be wheeled on a pavement to get round a
queue of traffic or to go the wrong way down a one-way street - done
that many times, been shouted at by pedestrians even for *wheeling* my
bike on a pavement, probably slower than I would walk :-(

I cycle the wrong way, on the pavement if the road\'s busy. Only ever been told off by a drunk shouting \"Thashillegal!\" Why the hell should I cycle an extra mile for a stupid one way system (which I disobey with my car too). Those things should not exist in the first place. It\'s high time the treehuggers did something useful and pointed out how much extra fuel is used driving further.

But I believe that the concept of a speed limit for bicycles doesn\'t
exist, beyond an offence of (IIRC) \"furious cycling\" or some such wording.

I find that when I\'m going downhill I wimp out before I reach the speed
limit: even 30 mph seems bloody fast on a road that has imperfections in
the surface - and the sort of roads that have steep hills tend to be
those outside a town, so with a 60 limit.

I\'ve gone 40mph downhill, but it\'s a mountain bike, so far more stable than those skinny bikes I call \"racing bikes\" - they look like the things they use in the tour de France. Narrow handlebars - not enough leverage to balance properly. Skinny tyres that trip over potholes. And often not even any suspension, my bike has suspension both ends.

> About the only limit that I might be able to break is a 20 mph limit -

I don\'t think those are even enforceable for a car - they never do here anyway. They\'re just guidelines for the namby pamby mothers who think you need to protect their retarded kids around a school.

and that is harder to do on my new electric bike than a \"manual\" bike
because the electrical assistance stops when you reach 17 mph

Pathetic, buy a better one.

and the electric bike is heavier and is lower-geared in top gear than my manual
bike. It\'s a great shame that electric bikes don\'t have an extra higher
gear (equivalent of top gear on both the front and rear cogs on a manual
bike) for use when supplying a bit more power than gravity alone
provides when going down a moderate hill.

I\'m sure you can get one. There are companies which will convert a normal bike into an electric bike for example, so you can have any bike you like with electric assist.

 

[Max Demian]

On 17/03/2023 18:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 12:10:33 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 04/03/2023 03:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 13:10:42 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 23/02/2023 10:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:42:21 -0000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I know someone that does just that.  Some odd people calling for odd
things.  Recent one was a woman calling from her apartment.  This
is at
4AM.  \"There is a satellite dish on the roof and it is not needed.
Please send someone to take it down\"

I get irritated when I see a lack of cooperation.  Two flats each
with a
satellite dish a metre apart.  Senseless.  You can get multi-LNBs
to go
on the end of the arm.

Anything communal is complicated. Whose job is it to fix it if it goes
wrong? What if one person short circuits it, or one says it\'s OK and
the
other says it isn\'t? Usually all right if there is a management company
for the block.

Most people get along with their neighbours.  And aren\'t those 8x LNBs 8
seperate devices?  Buggering one won\'t break the others.

The multiple LNBs/transponders (or whatever) won\'t be for different
users, they\'ll be for different muxes, i.e. frequencies/polarisations.

Bullshit.  I\'ve wired them up myself in a school.  You take one of the
eight (or two for some boxes which record multiple channels) to each
box/TV.  You can therefore have 4 or 8 from each dish.

FSVO \"multiple\". If a receiver can record four or more channels, it
would need four transponders as there are two frequency ranges and two
polarisations. More likely the system would have four transponders with
isolation between the clients.

And neighbours might get on in a \"Good morning, how are you\" kind of
way, but that doesn\'t mean they will realise that their system is
buggering up others\' reception, as that is a technical matter.

You cannot bugger someone\'s reception, they are seperate receivers.

In the case of terrestrial TV, all the receivers are fed from one
aerial; there has to be an amplifier and isolation between the outlets
in case someone shorts the output or feeds DC into the wire. (Some TVs
provide DC, 5 or 12V for a masthead amplifier. It won\'t be needed, but
the option to turn it on and off will be buried in the menus somewhere.)

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:48:56 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> FSVO \"multiple\". If a receiver can record four or more channels, it

So totally unable to resist the trolling wanker\'s idiotic baits? Is it
because he\'s an unwashed smelly wanker and shithead like you? (see sigs)

--
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smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
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[Max Demian]

On 17/03/2023 19:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 06 Mar 2023 09:06:56 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 05/03/2023 19:57, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 10:59:12 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

When driving licences were little books with multiple pages, courts
would stamp details of speeding convictions on the pages. That was
called \"endorsing\" the licence. When you had more than three (I think)
endorsements you lost your licence for a period, equivalent to the
modern \"totting up\" of points. That\'s why the word \"endorsement\" is
used
when you get points.

That explains it. In the US and endorsement is a positive thing. For
example my license has a motorcycle endorsement. When I had a CDL it had
hazardous materials, double/triples, and tanker endorsements.

Endorsement really means no more than \'write on the back of\'

The points are on the front of the license.

They are *now*. Can\'t you follow the etymology I have outlined above?

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 17/03/2023 19:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 10:59:12 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 05/03/2023 03:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:31:30 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

\"Licence\" is a funny word.

The law isn\'t funny it\'s a pest.

It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

They don\'t understand the word \"endorsement\" either.  It actually means
to support something, yet they say the points on your driving license
are endorsements.  Bu they\'re disallowing you!  Get too many and they
take it away!

It also means, \"To write one\'s signature on the back of a cheque, or
other negotiable instrument, when transferring it to a third party, or
cashing it.\" So you are *approving* the payment.

Then that might be done with a rubber stamp if you are \"endorsing\" a lot
of cheques. Haven\'t you heard of \"endorsing ink\" used to recharge rubber
stamp pads?

As you just said endorsing means \"approving\".  So approving the
disapproval of your driving ability?  WTF?

Meaning evolve...

When driving licences were little books with multiple pages, courts
would stamp details of speeding convictions on the pages. That was
called \"endorsing\" the licence. When you had more than three (I think)
endorsements you lost your licence for a period, equivalent to the
modern \"totting up\" of points. That\'s why the word \"endorsement\" is used
when you get points.

They wear off pretty quickly, you just have to talk your way out of
enough pig stops so you only get about one ticket a year.

I don\'t suppose you remember the old style licences; they were little
hard bound books about 3\" x 2.25\". On the front page you stuck a licence
sticker which you got from the Post Office when you renewed it:
provisional licences lasted six months and full licences three years.

Only 3 years?  What was required to renew it?

£££ at the Post Office.

Then they introduced the \"paper\" licences in the mid 70s, initially
green ink on white paper.

I started with one of those.  I don\'t have any license now, I lost it 5
years ago.  It\'s somewhere in the house....  Quite funny if a pig asks
if I have a license and I say \"no I lost it\", they always misunderstand.

Do you remember the fuss some people (mainly women) made about the green
licence showing their DoB? They moved it to the corner with a diagonal
dashed line so they could cut it off. Then people worked out that
everyone\'s DoB is encoded in the number part of the \"driver number\" You
just have to shuffle the digits around a bit. It also codes whether you
are male or female. (I don\'t know whether trannies can change this part.)

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:23:31 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> They are *now*. Can\'t you follow the etymology I have outlined above?

Can\'t you resist one single bait that attention-starved gay wanker sets out
for you, senile shithead? LOL

--
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smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
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--
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\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:29:43 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> Do you remember the fuss some people

Do your remember that little adage \"Don\'t Feed The Troll\", you troll-feeding
senile shithead?

--
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smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
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--
And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
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[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 03:35:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:06:32 +0000, NY wrote:

But I believe that the concept of a speed limit for bicycles doesn\'t
exist, beyond an offence of (IIRC) \"furious cycling\" or some such
wording.

Some of the local multi-trails have 10 mph speeds posted but they\'re a
suggestion. The iron fist in the velvet glove is if there are too many
valid complaints the trails will be closed to bicycles completely.

In Scotland, there can be no stopping bicycles. I can walk, run, cycle, swim, and canoe anywhere I like. It\'s called freedom and you guys should try it.

Some of the single track trails are closed to e-bikes. It\'s not like there
are cops hiding behind the pine trees to enforce it. There aren\'t that
many e-bikes yet so we\'ll see how it goes.

Ebikes magically cause more harm?

I find that when I\'m going downhill I wimp out before I reach the speed
limit: even 30 mph seems bloody fast on a road that has imperfections in
the surface - and the sort of roads that have steep hills tend to be those
outside a town, so with a 60 limit.

There is one hill close to me that has a portable radar setup with a
screen to tell you your speed. The limit is 35 and it will flash if you\'re
going faster. I\'ve tried to get it to flash with the bicycle but it\'s too
far out on the flat and I\'ve never been able to get more than 28.

We have some annoying ones that flash in green if you\'re going the \"correct\" speed.

I like making it say limit 30, your speed 60, and a frowning face. It\'s amazing how many people think those things actually do you for speeding.

I once saw a digger going along the road at 5mph. A pig aimed his radar gun at it, then beckoned for him to speed up.

You\'re right. 30 on a bicycle feels a lot faster than three times that on
my Suzuki V-Strom. However, I have more scars and broken bones from
bicycles than motorcycles so that may play a part.

Things feel slower to me when they have better control. Two cars the same size, if one has better handling it feels slower at the same speed. I guess it\'s the automatic limiter inside you to stay away from the losing control point.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 03:23:20 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 05:14:26 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I smell bullshit. The ancient Greeks supposedly couldn\'t see blue
because there was no word recognized as \'blue\' in extant texts. The
white statues furthered the idea until someone noticed the very
colorful paint jobs had worn off a couple of thousand years ago.

Nobody realised paint wears off? [facepalm]

Academics aren\'t the sharpest knives in the drawer. Who would deface beautiful white marble statuary with paint?

Given the modern Greek color palette

??? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/28226

the Parthenon in its heyday may have looked like Athena\'s Whorehouse.

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/paint-and-parthenon-conservation-ancient-greek-sculpture

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 11:35:58 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 07/03/2023 01:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 19:14:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:46:08 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The point is they\'re shit, the chain falls off. The whole basis of it
is about knocking the chain off and hoping it catches the next cog and
not somewhere inbetween. Then hoping you have all the the little
grubscrews just right so it doesn\'t fall off the end. A typically
French so what it sort of works design.

When the Japanese, chiefly Shimano, got through with the basic design it
works rather well.

When I bought my first bike with derailleur gears, having been used to
riding a bike with 3-speed Sturmey Archer, the one thing that always
caught me out was approaching a junction in high gear and forgetting to
change down as I was coasting to a stop. Changing from high gear to low
gear when stationary and about to set off doesn\'t work well :-(

Yes, I\'ve ended up going fucking slowly across a junction and pissing off drivers while I crunch through the gears. Derailer gears are shit - the whole concept of shoving a chain off and hoping it catches the next cog is pure insanity.

I\'ve not had the chain come off many times, and when it does, it\'s
usually off the front cog which is not being changed, rather than the
rear one which is changing from one sprocket to another.

I\'ve had it come off both, either by it not being perfectly tuned (and it keeps going out of tune), or by a stick entering the mechanism if off road.

They do not, the chains is always falling off, usually when you\'re stood
up on the pedals, and end up with your groin on the crossbar.

There\'s another thing, why do women\'s bikes have a lower crossbar? It\'s
the men who don\'t want to land on it!

I suppose a higher crossbar was thought to be stronger, and men don\'t
mind cocking their leg higher whereas women in skirts don\'t want to
flash their knickers (if worn).

I find cocking my leg higher is asking to lose balance.

However I have an aluminium frame (wehey no rust!) mountain bike with full suspension which only has one bar, low down. Not sure if all full suspension bikes are like that.

The hot new thing is 12 speed cassettes with 1 chain
wheel. It was getting rather ridiculous with 3X10 setups where many of
the 30 speeds were redundant. However they still are slightly more efficient
since you can minimize the chain angle.

How does 1 to 12 work then? The angle must be absurd.

I suppose it relies on a long enough reach from the pedal cog to the
rear wheel cog that the angle is not too great.

You could go with a fixed gear for ultimate simplicity.

They should have a gearbox like a car or motorbike.

Miniaturising a synchromesh gearbox with lay shaft or designing a
planetary gearbox (like an automatic) with enough gears might be the
stumbling block.

What about a torque converter?

A single-speed bike would not be much use: the ratio would be too high
to make it easy to climb a hill, whereas it would be much too low to be
able to pedal fast enough at a high speed. As with all vehicles (except
those with electric motors) you have to match a very limited range of
engine/pedal speeds to a very wide range of road speeds, in some cases
needing the torque magnification of a low gear.

We need legs as good as a motor.

I wish my electric bike had an extra really high-ratio gear: I find the
highest gear still has my legs whizzing round uncomfortably fast when
pedalling down a gentle hill to supplement gravity. But when I bought
mine, the extra gears of the higher-spec models were all at the
low-ratio end.

I\'ve always had mountain bikes, and I find I can\'t add much power after 23mph.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 08:06:55 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/03/2023 02:30, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 11:35:58 +0000, NY wrote:

I wish my electric bike had an extra really high-ratio gear: I find the
highest gear still has my legs whizzing round uncomfortably fast when
pedalling down a gentle hill to supplement gravity. But when I bought
mine, the extra gears of the higher-spec models were all at the
low-ratio end.

My \'road\' bike is a mountain bike with slicks. There are a couple of hills
where I can get up to about 30 mph and I don\'t even try to pedal. 18 mph
is about all I can achieve on level ground with a comfortable cadence.

On my bicycle, I overtook a van coming down the North Downs once. I
glanced in at the drivers dash as I dis so. His speedo registered 38mph
or thereabouts.

So you were going 33 then.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 00:09:41 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 03:23:20 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 05:14:26 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I smell bullshit. The ancient Greeks supposedly couldn\'t see blue
because there was no word recognized as \'blue\' in extant texts. The
white statues furthered the idea until someone noticed the very
colorful paint jobs had worn off a couple of thousand years ago.

Nobody realised paint wears off? [facepalm]

Academics aren\'t the sharpest knives in the drawer. Who would deface
beautiful white marble statuary with paint?

Given the modern Greek color palette

??? https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/28226

Interesting. I wonder who decided that was the modern Greek palette. I was thinking of the color schemes that show up in photos of Greece.

https://www.dunnedwards.com/pros/blog/were-loving-these-3-color-schemes-inspired-by-greece/

The Goldenrod/Go-Go Green motif looks like the aftermath of a discontinued colors paint sale at Hoem Depot.

https://greeking.me/blog/greek-culture/white-blue-greek-colors

Aha, right again!

\"Well, that has to do with cost. After painting their boat, the fishers and other sailors painted their windows and shutters with whatever was leftover. And because of the elements used to create it, blue was usually the cheapest paint color. \"

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 00:07:41 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Some of the single track trails are closed to e-bikes. It\'s not like
there
are cops hiding behind the pine trees to enforce it. There aren\'t that
many e-bikes yet so we\'ll see how it goes.

Ebikes magically cause more harm?

It may be sort of an elitist thing. e-bikes may allow the physically unfit
to clutter up the trails. Mens sana in corpore sano cuts both ways and the
mens often is unfit also.

The same thing is seen with quad ATVs versus dirt bikes. It takes some
skill to ride a bike off road where a quad isn\'t particularly challenging.
Plus a quad allows you to carry a chainsaw to cut down offending trees and
a cooler full of beer. Definitely déclassé.

Mtn. bikes in general can be a problem if an idiot is aboard. This time of
year the trails are muddy. Riding a bike on them creates a V-shaped
erosion pattern that very difficult to walk on. Luckily there aren\'t too
many idiots in this area.

 

[Peeler]

On 19 Mar 2023 01:54:42 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Interesting.

The way the troll keeps playing all you endlessly blathering troll-feeding
senile assholes in these ngs? INDEED!

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[Peeler]

On 19 Mar 2023 02:05:21 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Ebikes magically cause more harm?

It may be sort of an elitist thing

The trolling retard asks a retarded \"question\" and the resident bigmouth
eagerly complies as it gives him another occasion to spout yet more of his
always grandiloquent verbose senile shit! What a freak show! LOL

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[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 11:48:39 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 08/03/2023 06:06, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:55:26 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:39:53 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.101j6ficmvhs6z@ryzen.home...

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
sky? WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual
names.

Who decide what are distinct colours anyway? To my way of thinking,
there are six /distinct/ colours in the spectrum, red, orange, yellow,
green, blue and violet.

Indigo was added by Newton to make it up to seven, which he regarded as
a magic number.

Human cone cells come in three wavelengths, roughly r-g-b, so if we
name more colors it\'s arbitrary.

Having at least one between each makes sense. If your eye detects R and
G about equally, there should be a name for that.

Oddly red+green light produced yellow. At least it seems odd to me, but
I can\'t get into others\' heads. Yellow looks completely different from
red and green to me, whereas red+blue produces magenta which looks like
a mixture of red and blue. Blue+green produces cyan, which is more like
a light blue to me, but maybe if it is darker it would look teal, which
is blue-green.

Your brain presumably just thinks up what they should all look like. The only one that seems weird is red and blue making something similar to indigo/violet, which is the other side of blue to red in the spectrum. Looking at ultraviolet is weird. They claim we can\'t see it, but I can feel it. Maybe I\'m feeling it burning my eyes.

It\'s odd that colour circle (wheel) diagrams look right, and violet
looks like an intermediate between red and blue. Is this a perceptual
matter, or is it that extreme red is twice the wavelength of extreme
blue, in which case it\'s physical? If so, why should this be the case as
our eyes are just adapted to the range of light mostly produced by our Sun?

The sun produces violet and ultraviolet, so why are you confused?

My parrots can see UV clearly, I have UV bulbs because apparently it makes their feather colours look better to their eyes, so they\'re happier and more randy.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 15:04:44 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 06:00:49 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:21:43 -0000, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/02/2023 20:55, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:36:18 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Max Demian\" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Then why do I remember seeing a blue light?

Green signals are a /bit/ blue I suppose. I think they use blue
glass for
green signals with incandescent bulbs. I\'ve seen that with traffic
signals.

Apparently Japanese traffic lights are blue although the word for
\"green\" is
used. There\'s some convoluted reason for using blue and for calling it
green.
https://theculturetrip.com/asia/japan/articles/japans-blue-traffic-lights-reveal-an-interesting-linguistic-quirk/ -
Japanese didn\'t have a word for green for a long time: vegetables and
grass
are called \"blue\" as well.

So they couldn\'t explain the difference in colour of a lettuce and the
sky? WTF?

Exactly. It\'s weird that they survived for so long without words to
differentiate colours which most of use see as being different. The
various colours at the blue end of the rainbow (blue, indigo, violet)
are not as easy to differentiate, and I can understand *those* being
thought of as various shades of blue, but red, orange, yellow, green,
blue are all colours that are fairly distinct and deserve individual names.

Be careful of that \"most of us\".

Almost everyone can tell blue from red or green. Telling red from green
though affects about 1 in 12 men in the UK (other races may vary).

It\'s not 1 in 12. I\'ve only ever known ONE person who was red/green colour blind.

We do have an internet. You could look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

Never believe the internet. I go by real life and my own experiences. If it was 1 in 12, we\'d all know loads of them. The internet is biassed because pages about colour blindness are written by people wanting to claim it as a disability, and an excuse for running red lights.