Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:43:03 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:06:37 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:00:07 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:43:21 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:24:53 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg
Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

No, we don\'t have to. We do because we can.
It achieves nothing apart from making you like like egotistical idiots, you\'re the laughing stock of the world.

You are the sort of person with zero humility. I have no understanding of the fact that your opinion is not worth diddly in this universe. Whatever, this group is full of unthinking trolls. One more can\'t hurt.

I have plenty of humour, I laugh at Americans every day.

> BTW, you appear to have given up on your quest for a large multimeter. I guess it\'s more important to rail about flags?

Already got one.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare your ignorance for all to see.

It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done according to the guidelines.

Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:03:22 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:53:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:36:21 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:36:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:15:57 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:39:32 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:09 AM UTC-7, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:55:55 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Anyway, within the x86 architecture they keep adding instructions etc. Can\'t it be improved out of the mess?
Not without giving up un backward compatibility and making a clean
break. Which has been against Intel theology for a long time.

Apple went through the same thing, and eventually hired a bunch of
market research firms to run focus groups sessions...
The question to be answered was if there had to
be a Motorola processor on the motherboard, or would a really good
emulator suffice. The vast majority of those in the focus (myself
included) said that no Motorola hardware was needed, so long as the
emulation was in fact that good, because we all had essential software
that could not be replaced for one reason or another. I assume that
most of the focus groups came to the same answer, because that\'s
exactly what happened.

Joe Gwinn

It was a stretch, though; there was a \'toolbox\' runtime library, and the
rewrite of that was probably the first need, because it would normally
be cached, and a two-stage emulator-plus-toolbox requirement used
a LOT of cache. Apple had some PowerPC processors made with extra-large
cache in the early days of the 68k-to-Power changeover, and eventually
the OS\'es became incompatible as emulations were dropped, first 68k
and then Power code in the Intel years.

Yes, but never mind the details, Apple did get it to work very well,
and maintained it for about ten years, then ceased to support it. By
then, most of those critical apps wee no longer critical, or had been
killed off by something else.

Nobody does anything critical with a Mac anyway. They\'re just for arty folk.

Well I\'ve never been accused of being arty, but OK.

But for really critical stuff, nobody uses Windows for sure. It\'s
Linux all the way, often controlling bespoke FPGA hardware.

Why no Windows? Well, the US Navy tried, in the SmartShip IT-21
program, for which the USS Yorktown was the testbed.

.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(CG-48)

Long story short, someone in the engine room entered a bad value of an
input form for pump performance recording, and crashed the Windows
computer system and all associated shipwide networks. The ship was
dead in the water, without propulsion, steering, or weapons. What
could go wrong?

Fortunately they were far from land, and not in a battle, so they
didn\'t get sunk or blunder into anything. They had to reboot the
entire ship. This all took about three hours.

That was the end of SmartShip - only the name survived, used only for
administrative activities, isolated from all tactical networks.

UNIX was the follow-on answer, but the various big platform vendors
became too expensive and too inflexible, and over time everything
migrated to Linux, mostly Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), which IBM
subsequently acquired. Wonder if IBM has learned anything since DoD
abandoned AIX.

Windows 3 decades ago is not equal to Windows today.

True, but even today\'s Windows is not suited to anything truly mission
critical, like a ships weapon systems.

I couldn\'t crash Windows 11 if I tried.

A ships self-defense system
(defending against Mach 0.8 cruise missiles like the Neptunes recently
used to sink the Moskva in the Black Sea) is instructive: From
appearance (at the horizon about 20 miles away) to impact is about 20
seconds. Use them wisely.

And by the way, if the self-defense missile isn\'t moving on the launch
rails in maybe 5 seconds, intercept becomes impossible, so pray that
the CIWS succeeds.

Nor does Microsoft claim otherwise, even today.

It\'s also too late. All the Navy folk and consultants who sold IT-21
to the Brass suffered severe career damage, many succumbing to wounds
received in The Yorktown Incident. And the survivors were badly
scalded.

It will take more decades than Windows will last for the Navy to get
over its Windows aversion.

And Linux does work, so there is little pressure.

Only if you can understand it, and you need really thick glasses and a weird haircut to do so.

 

[Jock]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:24:17 +1000, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:04:45 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/18/2022 06:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
There\'s a coal hauling train goes past me as there\'s a power station 10
miles down the road. The rails can\'t handle the weight, they\'re
constantly repairing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmTnWxpcEQ

Someone has put a rude comment under there!

The coal trains aren\'t popular. There still are some surface level
crossings where you can wait forever for the train to pass.

Isn\'t forever more like 30 seconds?

Not with our 5 mile long iron ore driverless trains.

Longest and heaviest in the entire world.

> No big deal.

Still no big deal, but a bit of a nuisance.

No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg

Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

Just about...

Why?

More rabid rightists than most.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:09:17 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:24:17 +1000, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:04:45 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/18/2022 06:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
There\'s a coal hauling train goes past me as there\'s a power station 10
miles down the road. The rails can\'t handle the weight, they\'re
constantly repairing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmTnWxpcEQ

Someone has put a rude comment under there!

The coal trains aren\'t popular. There still are some surface level
crossings where you can wait forever for the train to pass.

Isn\'t forever more like 30 seconds?
Not with our 5 mile long iron ore driverless trains.

Longest and heaviest in the entire world.

No big deal.

Still no big deal, but a bit of a nuisance.
No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg

Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

Just about...

Why?
More rabid rightists than most.

What\'s wrong with a flag. I\'m not a rightist by any means, but I have no problem with someone flying the flag... well, depending on the flag. When someone flies a Confederate flag, I have to wonder why. It\'s like identifying with the team that lost a baseball game in 1865.

--

Rick C.

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[whit3rd]

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 7:52:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:20:33 AM UTC+10, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 3:36:35 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Nobody does anything critical with a Mac anyway. They\'re just for arty folk.

Not an uncommon view, but inaccurate. Excel, for example, started life
as macintosh-only code; the Windows version was an afterthought, ported
over.
Isn\'t Excel just a Windows steal of Viscalc? Lotus 1-2-3 came next, so Excel is more a Chinese copy of that that exploited the Widows graphical user interface - and of course the MacIntosh had the first commercial graphical user interface, copied from the Xerox PARC Alto machines (of which there were a couple of thousand, although it was never marketed).

Visicalc was the killer application for the original Apple 2 computer. Dan Flystra made a lot of money out of it - I had an acquaintance at MIT at the time, who had run into Flystra who was also active in starting up Byte (which was how I got to be foundation subscriber to the magazine).

The Visicalc clone by Microsoft was MultiPlan; it was Mac users of Excel that convinced \'em to start over
as they Windows-ed up their application, and Excel 2 for Windows was their first Intel-processor release.
Apple\'s big win came with LaserWriters that could do the WYSIWYG thing, along with inexpensive
local networking.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:28:51 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare your ignorance for all to see.

It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done according to the guidelines.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.

Wrong. Crimping and welding are both entirely acceptable for high reliability,
with solder just a little behind. Wire-wrap is a variable entity, because there\'s lots of
wire and lots of posts, and some combinations are just dandy, like crimping.

A PC power supply is always two or more circuit boards, because the required
components aren\'t reliably joined under ONE solder temperature profile, you gotta
use two or more different soldering methods to mass produce \'em. Solder,
when it works, is cheap, not excessively reliable.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:32:55 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:03:22 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:53:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:36:21 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:36:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:15:57 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:39:32 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:09 AM UTC-7, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:55:55 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:


It will take more decades than Windows will last for the Navy to get
over its Windows aversion.

And Linux does work, so there is little pressure.

Only if you can understand it, and you need really thick glasses and a weird haircut to do so.

Commander Kinsey is almost as enthusiastic as Flyguy at reminding us how far he has descended into senile dementia.

Serious computing used to rely on Unix (and even odder operating systems) but now the Linux toolbox has everything that anybody would need.

You do have to understand at the level you need to, which always turns out to take some work, but thick glasses and odd haircuts are always entirely optional, unless you have to send the kinds of signal that dim clowns like Commander Kinsey can recognise.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[piglet]

On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:

In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

It is one thing to be ignorant.  It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.

It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.

Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.

Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.

piglet

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com wrote:

On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:

In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.

It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.

Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.

Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions? While wire wrap is a solid connection on earth, I would be surprised that it survived the vibration tests. I suppose a couple turns of insulation would prevent the first bite into the wire from braking. I\'ve seen that happen on wire wrap when the wire was not inserted in the tool properly. The whole thing is pretty heavy too. I\'ve got an old wire wrap board from one of the big name prototype board makers (I can\'t recall the name). It has a bunch of pins for mounting 16 pin chips (and a few 14 pin I think) with power and ground already connected. I don\'t recall if they had bypass caps or not. The board is rather thick to hold the pins solidly. Between the pins and the board, it weighs a ton.

--

Rick C.

+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:22:26 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kt77op7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:59:54 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:58:45 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kts77xamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Mine appear to be limited by the CPU speed, one core is all the program will allocate per camera, so I only get 15 fps max.
Usually 7 fps as the computer is very busy running Boinc.

yes I keep several weeks.
Been playing with the Pimoroni IR camera module on Raspberry, low resolution but detects body heat.
That has now passed the \'several weeks 24/7 on\' test.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html#xflir

I got some cheap shit from China. It\'s never the resolution advertised, but that means they\'ll panic and give you 50% off
the
already low price.

4 security cams go into one of those 4 channel security recorders from China
Works very well, it does not record anything, I take the output via the LAN and re-encode it with ffmpeg,

How complicated, mine are just USB cams, plug straight into the PC and it records.

Well, these are Sony \'starlight\' SUPERHAD 0.01 lux PAL/NTSC cameras, need no IR LEDs, can see in the near dark,
I use those for many things (shooting down F35s comes to mind).

USB cams over twenty meters or more cable?

The intersting things is that one Raspberry Pi 4 with 4 GB memory records
those 4 cams, plus 2 other IP cameras plus 2 audio tracks and the
procesor load is still very low,
plays background mp3 music without hickups at the same time!
and I can browse the web with chromium at the same time.
Raspi is a quad core.

Tasks: 207 total, 1 running, 206 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 6.7 us, 4.2 sy, 2.7 ni, 85.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.5 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 3906.0 total, 2494.6 free, 443.2 used, 968.3 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 100.0 total, 100.0 free, 0.0 used. 3268.2 avail Mem

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
32764 root 25 5 33144 12040 2412 S 8.2 0.3 35:19.57 xgpspc_mon
513 root 20 0 222132 40308 24808 S 7.6 1.0 34:25.54 ffmpeg
25093 root 20 0 222140 40160 24668 S 5.9 1.0 42:42.68 ffmpeg
512 root 20 0 16300 11504 3640 S 5.6 0.3 31:34.56 mcamip
25092 root 20 0 16300 11316 3468 S 5.6 0.3 40:53.77 mcamip2
32765 root 25 5 222044 40496 24724 S 3.6 1.0 15:52.81 ffmpeg
25786 root 20 0 148216 30692 23816 S 2.3 0.8 0:43.54 ffmpeg
25783 root 20 0 148348 31372 24184 S 1.6 0.8 0:42.82 ffmpeg
25784 root 20 0 147904 30724 23832 S 1.6 0.8 0:43.37 ffmpeg
25785 root 20 0 147912 31064 24172 S 1.6 0.8 0:42.52 ffmpeg
12871 root 20 0 4820 3316 2872 S 1.3 0.1 4:24.67 mpg123
25090 root 20 0 9764 3800 3396 S 1.3 0.1 7:01.93 wget2
25091 root 20 0 179936 29736 23628 S 1.3 0.7 6:35.35 ffmpeg

raspi95: /mnt/sda2/security/video # temperature
temp=48.0\'C

This raspi has alu housing and a fan
result:

In crontab new instances are started at different times with new serial number.
rw-r--r-- 1 root root 577241088 Apr 18 18:49 bp1.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 853278720 Apr 18 18:49 camera6-1809.mp2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1194590208 Apr 18 18:49 mcam-2.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 954728448 Apr 18 18:49 camera6-1809.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 574967920 Apr 18 18:49 hcam_4_2822.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 575615956 Apr 18 18:49 hcam_3_154.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 574837824 Apr 18 18:49 hcam_1_2989.ts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 576117352 Apr 18 18:49 hcam_2_3011.ts

Uh ok. I\'m a human not a geek, you\'ve just posted greek. I use a GUI.

I have 9 virtual desktops, 1 has some icons you can click on, one has a browser, one has a Usenet newsreader, one has an audio mixer,
and 8 actually have a terminal.
GUI is for dummies, like going to a supermarket and searching on the shelves for what you need from what is plonked down there.
My computah speaks English and I can just type commands.
Much simpler and faster than mousing around in menus (if what you want is there at all).
Of course you need to know Unix...
It is like going to a hardware store and asking \'I need this\' and the guy will get it for you.
But of course you need to know about what you want,
Maybe in the US these days reading and writing is on the way out (if it ever was in there ;-) )
and people will carry a book with pictures and take it and point to one to commie-nukate or whatever it was .
Its a SLOW way, but was already used in the [flint]stone age as drawings on rocks have shown.

Some people read comics (like poopeye), some read datasheets, some read code, and some just read what their computah says.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:27:22 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kt8fwismvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>Surely reading glasses are not the same as magnifying glasses?

Same thing if positive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens

 

[piglet]

On 19/04/2022 07:11, Ricky wrote:

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:

In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.

It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.

Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.

Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions? While wire wrap is a solid connection on earth, I would be surprised that it survived the vibration tests. I suppose a couple turns of insulation would prevent the first bite into the wire from braking. I\'ve seen that happen on wire wrap when the wire was not inserted in the tool properly. The whole thing is pretty heavy too. I\'ve got an old wire wrap board from one of the big name prototype board makers (I can\'t recall the name). It has a bunch of pins for mounting 16 pin chips (and a few 14 pin I think) with power and ground already connected. I don\'t recall if they had bypass caps or not. The board is rather thick to hold the pins solidly. Between the pins and the board, it weighs a ton.

Yep, for example the Apollo Guidance Computer backplanes. I saw a
magazine article circa 1972-3 on the deep space interplantery missions,
eg. mariner,pioneer,voyager and there was a photo of the ww-boards
undergoing final visual inspection.

Of course modified wrap was used, never seen regular wrap in real life
for exactly the reasons you gave.

piglet

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:27:50 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org, an ESPECIALLY retarded,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered, yet again:

HE\'s regularly in the company of the men in the white coats, you
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

Goddamn! Shut the fuck up, CHILD!!! YOU BLOODY FUCKING RETARD!

Good grief, you idiotic senile shithead! About time you removed your thick
senile head from your senile arse! Or is it already grown in? <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:27:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE blathered again:


> I have 9 virtual desktops,

Alas, but no brain, you degenerate troll-feeding senile asshole! BTW, how
about trying to remove your senile head from the troll\'s arse? Or is it
grown in already, senile shithead?

 

[Max Demian]

On 18/04/2022 17:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:40:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

I\'ve still got the tools and an assortment of wirewrap sockets but
haven\'t done a project in a long time. I got away from hardware when
surface mount came in. Even with magnifiers I don\'t have the vision to
deal with that anymore.

I astonished someone at work when he was trying to read a surface mount
resistor value through a magnifying glass.  I glanced at it without one
and told him the value.  Apparently I have the eyesight and the hearing
of a 16 year old.  Unfortunately not the body.

Perhaps you are short sighted and took your glasses off.

(Wasn\'t there a disc jockey who got into \"trouble\" for saying, \"I feel
like a 16-year-old boy... but where can I get one at this time?\" (That
would be legal now. I hope Gordon Brown apologised.))

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:16:12 +0100, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> Perhaps you are short sighted and took your glasses off.

Perhaps he\'s just, as everyone keeps saying, a sick wanker, troll and
attention whore, and you are, as I keep saying, a troll-feeding senile
asshole, troll-feeding senile asshole?

 

[rbowman]

On 04/19/2022 12:30 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:27:22 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kt8fwismvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Surely reading glasses are not the same as magnifying glasses?

Same thing if positive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens

Same lens but my magnifiers have an LED. They are more convenient for
some things than the old magnifiers on a gooseneck with a round
fluorescent.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:43:58 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Same lens but my magnifiers have an LED.

Maybe you need to replace that bulb in your dim senile head with an LED,
senile dimbulb? ;-)

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:43:58 -0600) it happened rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc805cF8gn0U1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/19/2022 12:30 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:27:22 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kt8fwismvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Surely reading glasses are not the same as magnifying glasses?

Same thing if positive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens



Same lens but my magnifiers have an LED. They are more convenient for
some things than the old magnifiers on a gooseneck with a round
fluorescent.

Been using this for a while now:
https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/aigostar-alexander-led-bureaulamp-dimbaar-opvouwbaar-10w-instelbare-kleurtemperatuur-3300k-6000k-zwart/9200000051890636/

Selectable color temperature, dimmer.

And +2.5 and +1.75 reading glasses from the drugstore.
If all else was to fail I can use a camera and monitor.
peeseebee hole:
http://panteltje.com/pub/hole_close_up_img_0574.jpg

Earth life form:
http://panteltje.com/pub/butterfly_close_IMG_5716.JPG