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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 03:21:52 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
I\'m guessing you never tried to use appletalk.
I\'m guessing you never tried to use appletalk.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 03:51:35 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
You have to hope those two pieces of metal are always in contact. I don\'t with solder, because they are \"the same\" piece of metal.
Plus if you get a bit of corrosion, you get a voltage drop. You even get that in high current plugs - a 13A mains plug or a 30A GPU power plug.
Just had a look inside one, just one circuit board. Only the odd large component isn\'t on the board and is soldered on by wires.
You have to hope those two pieces of metal are always in contact. I don\'t with solder, because they are \"the same\" piece of metal.
Plus if you get a bit of corrosion, you get a voltage drop. You even get that in high current plugs - a 13A mains plug or a 30A GPU power plug.
Just had a look inside one, just one circuit board. Only the odd large component isn\'t on the board and is soldered on by wires.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:27:39 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah the low lux would be nice. I tried IR but couldn\'t find a bright enough IR light. Considering just a PIR powered white light.
But I\'m guessing you paid a lot for a Sony camera.
> USB cams over twenty meters or more cable?
I could do 100m if I wanted, what makes you think this is a problem?
Can\'t you afford real ones? I just have 5 monitors. I can see them all at once.
> GUI is for dummies, like going to a supermarket and searching on the shelves for what you need from what is plonked down there.
It\'s the way the human mind works, at least normal ones. If I showed you 50 pictures and asked you to find the widget, you could do it far faster than finding the word widget in a pile of 50 words.
> My computah speaks English and I can just type commands.
It isn\'t English.
> Much simpler and faster than mousing around in menus (if what you want is there at all).
Menus make it easy to find things. For common stuff keyboard shortcuts are always available.
> Of course you need to know Unix...
No need to learn that shit.
If I want a 7mm widget, maybe they have a 7.2mm one which would be better. Maybe the guy is busy, maybe he doesn\'t know exactly what I need. Very easy to walk down the aisle that contains widgets and pick the one I need. The largest part of the human brain is devoted to sight.
You are abnormal.
Yeah the low lux would be nice. I tried IR but couldn\'t find a bright enough IR light. Considering just a PIR powered white light.
But I\'m guessing you paid a lot for a Sony camera.
> USB cams over twenty meters or more cable?
I could do 100m if I wanted, what makes you think this is a problem?
Can\'t you afford real ones? I just have 5 monitors. I can see them all at once.
> GUI is for dummies, like going to a supermarket and searching on the shelves for what you need from what is plonked down there.
It\'s the way the human mind works, at least normal ones. If I showed you 50 pictures and asked you to find the widget, you could do it far faster than finding the word widget in a pile of 50 words.
> My computah speaks English and I can just type commands.
It isn\'t English.
> Much simpler and faster than mousing around in menus (if what you want is there at all).
Menus make it easy to find things. For common stuff keyboard shortcuts are always available.
> Of course you need to know Unix...
No need to learn that shit.
If I want a 7mm widget, maybe they have a 7.2mm one which would be better. Maybe the guy is busy, maybe he doesn\'t know exactly what I need. Very easy to walk down the aisle that contains widgets and pick the one I need. The largest part of the human brain is devoted to sight.
You are abnormal.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:11:53 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Only because soldering hadn\'t been invented. Look in your stereo, now look in one from 40 years ago. They wouldn\'t change if it wasn\'t better.
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions?
Only because soldering hadn\'t been invented. Look in your stereo, now look in one from 40 years ago. They wouldn\'t change if it wasn\'t better.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:51:25 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote:
And very time consuming.
And you just hope they don\'t waggle loose or change size a bit under temperature and lose that tension.
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
And very time consuming.
And you just hope they don\'t waggle loose or change size a bit under temperature and lose that tension.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:16:12 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
No, I don\'t need any glasses. Why would I need to be short sighted to focus on something close? What\'s the closest you can focus? I can focus an inch from the end of my nose. Not that I needed to move that close, you must have really low resolution retinas.
It\'s not legal in the USA in half the states. Did it used to be illegal here?
No, I don\'t need any glasses. Why would I need to be short sighted to focus on something close? What\'s the closest you can focus? I can focus an inch from the end of my nose. Not that I needed to move that close, you must have really low resolution retinas.
It\'s not legal in the USA in half the states. Did it used to be illegal here?
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:30:23 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Surely reading glasses don\'t just magnify, they change the focusing distance. Someone who needs reading glasses is usually long sighted, so it needs to look to their eye as though the book etc is several feet away. Not necessary with a magnifying glass.
Surely reading glasses don\'t just magnify, they change the focusing distance. Someone who needs reading glasses is usually long sighted, so it needs to look to their eye as though the book etc is several feet away. Not necessary with a magnifying glass.
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:56:08 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kvtbupfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
Well, what\'s a lot?
about 35 USD
Lots of loss in voltage over USB cables.
google: \'USB maximum cable length\'
No need for that,
I can tyoe \'widgetENTER\' faster than you can find the icon, even without looking.
On top of that I use zsh as shell, so usually if I did use a command before it is just cursor up a few times and ENTER,
or the first character of the command, cursur up ENTER
You can make it as English (or any other language) you want by writing scripts for more complex stuff
I have many of such scripts.
Bye
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kvtbupfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
Well, what\'s a lot?
about 35 USD
Lots of loss in voltage over USB cables.
google: \'USB maximum cable length\'
No need for that,
I can tyoe \'widgetENTER\' faster than you can find the icon, even without looking.
On top of that I use zsh as shell, so usually if I did use a command before it is just cursor up a few times and ENTER,
or the first character of the command, cursur up ENTER
You can make it as English (or any other language) you want by writing scripts for more complex stuff
I have many of such scripts.
Bye
P
piglet
Guest
On 19/04/2022 17:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Very true however solder joint fatigue and cracking over extreme
temperature cycling was an even more serious problem. Back in the day
many studies placed wire wrap well ahead of solder for reliability. One
of the (few) benefits of RoHS is that lead free solders tend to perform
better over extreme thermal cycling.
piglet
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:51:25 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com
wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
And very time consuming.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
And you just hope they don\'t waggle loose or change size a bit under
temperature and lose that tension.
Very true however solder joint fatigue and cracking over extreme
temperature cycling was an even more serious problem. Back in the day
many studies placed wire wrap well ahead of solder for reliability. One
of the (few) benefits of RoHS is that lead free solders tend to perform
better over extreme thermal cycling.
piglet
P
piglet
Guest
On 19/04/2022 17:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
There is no mass wrapping system like there is flow or wave soldering so
wrapping was always a niche technique not much seen in the mass market.
piglet
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:11:53 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a
lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day
job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but
when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two
things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research
and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions?
Only because soldering hadn\'t been invented. Look in your stereo, now
look in one from 40 years ago. They wouldn\'t change if it wasn\'t better.
There is no mass wrapping system like there is flow or wave soldering so
wrapping was always a niche technique not much seen in the mass market.
piglet
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Peeler
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:12:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE blathered again:
> Bye
??? You mean you are going to pull your thick head out of the unwashed
Scottish wanker\'s arse? I\'m sure he\'ll soon return and try his luck with you
again! <BG>
dead, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE blathered again:
> Bye
??? You mean you are going to pull your thick head out of the unwashed
Scottish wanker\'s arse? I\'m sure he\'ll soon return and try his luck with you
again! <BG>
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:08:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
[change of subject]
Ever fired a gun this small?
https://youtu.be/w3PHD__2wsE
FFWD to 6:10 to see a lego man being killed.
[change of subject]
Ever fired a gun this small?
https://youtu.be/w3PHD__2wsE
FFWD to 6:10 to see a lego man being killed.
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Phil Hobbs
Guest
piglet wrote:
When I was a grad student at Ginzton Lab, Grinnell Systems donated a
brand new video processor to our group. It was about a 5-foot rack,
with an all-wirewrap backplane. Pretty impressive monstrosity at the
time (1984ish).
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
On 19/04/2022 17:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:11:53 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles
cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake
language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is
a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day
job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but
when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap
up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two
things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s
the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the
best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little
research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions?
Only because soldering hadn\'t been invented. Look in your stereo, now
look in one from 40 years ago. They wouldn\'t change if it wasn\'t better.
There is no mass wrapping system like there is flow or wave soldering so
wrapping was always a niche technique not much seen in the mass market.
piglet
When I was a grad student at Ginzton Lab, Grinnell Systems donated a
brand new video processor to our group. It was about a 5-foot rack,
with an all-wirewrap backplane. Pretty impressive monstrosity at the
time (1984ish).
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:12:13 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo..com> wrote:
That\'s not a lot. I didn\'t think Sony made them that cheap. But what resolution?
Obviously I don\'t power the camera from this end! The USB cable is for the data.
Yes here is, it means I can see everything at once. And by the way I only paid £50 for one and the other 4 were free.
You have to open the command prompt first or make it in focus.
And actually, I can just press the windows key, then enter widget (or even wid would do) then press ENTER.
To open VLC media player, I only have to press WINDOWS V L ENTER.
> On top of that I use zsh
Why does linux have such weird names? Some of the disk programs I\'m sure they deliberately made them almost the word fuck.
So exactly like windows and DOS have always done. You had to get a special shell to have command history?
Writing programs to make a computer work ROTFPMSL!
Ooooh you got the last word in, how childish.
That\'s not a lot. I didn\'t think Sony made them that cheap. But what resolution?
Obviously I don\'t power the camera from this end! The USB cable is for the data.
Yes here is, it means I can see everything at once. And by the way I only paid £50 for one and the other 4 were free.
You have to open the command prompt first or make it in focus.
And actually, I can just press the windows key, then enter widget (or even wid would do) then press ENTER.
To open VLC media player, I only have to press WINDOWS V L ENTER.
> On top of that I use zsh
Why does linux have such weird names? Some of the disk programs I\'m sure they deliberately made them almost the word fuck.
So exactly like windows and DOS have always done. You had to get a special shell to have command history?
Writing programs to make a computer work ROTFPMSL!
Ooooh you got the last word in, how childish.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:08:17 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you have something in the centre of the sun, maybe so. Still, why not wrap then solder?
On 19/04/2022 17:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:51:25 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com
wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
And very time consuming.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
And you just hope they don\'t waggle loose or change size a bit under
temperature and lose that tension.
Very true however solder joint fatigue and cracking over extreme
temperature cycling was an even more serious problem. Back in the day
many studies placed wire wrap well ahead of solder for reliability. One
of the (few) benefits of RoHS is that lead free solders tend to perform
better over extreme thermal cycling.
If you have something in the centre of the sun, maybe so. Still, why not wrap then solder?
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:20:10 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yeah we don\'t hand carve car chassises any more either.
On 19/04/2022 17:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:11:53 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:51:35 AM UTC-4, erichp...@hotmail.com
wrote:
On 18/04/2022 21:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:45:36 +0100, Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:27:14 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk
wrote:
In article <op.1kts3...@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened
rbowman
bow...@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adk...@mid.individual.net>:
On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a
lot
you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day
job is
C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but
when
I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a
working
Z80 board.
Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/
soldering....
Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?
Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.
Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two
things
touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the
way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.
It is one thing to be ignorant. It is another to publicly declare
your ignorance for all to see.
It doesn\'t take much effort at all for you to do a little research
and
find that wirewrap is actually a highly reliable technique if done
according to the guidelines.
Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.
Except wire wrap isn\'t just touching. The posts are square and the wire
wrapped under tension so the post corners bite deeply into the wire and
the torque built up in the post maintains constant high pressure gas
tight cold weld contacts. Dozens of them all in parallel. Wire wrapping
can be more reliable than soldering over temperature cycling. Voyager
and Apollo used a lot of wire wrap. And it is very quick - I used to
wire wrap prototypes faster than I could solder and needs no defluxing
after.
Are you saying NASA flew wire wrap in space missions?
Only because soldering hadn\'t been invented. Look in your stereo, now
look in one from 40 years ago. They wouldn\'t change if it wasn\'t better.
There is no mass wrapping system like there is flow or wave soldering so
wrapping was always a niche technique not much seen in the mass market.
Yeah we don\'t hand carve car chassises any more either.
R
rbowman
Guest
On 04/19/2022 01:14 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-vaGV8wy0
Small as I need to go... A friend had one and you can get more accuracy
than you would think. More than one human man has been killed with a .22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-vaGV8wy0
Small as I need to go... A friend had one and you can get more accuracy
than you would think. More than one human man has been killed with a .22.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:44 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
I laugh at Americans killing each other. At least it keeps your numbers down to the same level as your intelligence.
I laugh at Americans killing each other. At least it keeps your numbers down to the same level as your intelligence.
R
rbowman
Guest
On 04/19/2022 06:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.
Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.
P
Peeler
Guest
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:07:44 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
Well, is it smaller than the Scottish wanker\'s cock in your mouth, you old
cocksucking bigmouthed Yankee whore?
--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'
I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
Well, is it smaller than the Scottish wanker\'s cock in your mouth, you old
cocksucking bigmouthed Yankee whore?
--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'
I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"