Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:24:53 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 03:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:39:41 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 01:56 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:50:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 10:54 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:39:40 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On 04/17/2022 07:03 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I have Zen2 (an AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT) and that\'s also TSMC, but 7nm.

The equivalent CPU on Zen3 (Ryzen 9 5900X) is also 7nm.

Yes, very fast.

I\'ve got a 5500U in my laptop. It\'s a 7nm Zen2 unlike the 5600U Zen3
but
I have no complaints for a $700 laptop.

That\'s 0.4 of the speed of my desktop. Laptops suck.

Until the company upgraded my desktop I was using the laptop for some
projects. It beat the hell out of an elderly Core i5 with a hard drive.

I\'m not a real fan of laptops but they have their place. I\'m using a
company supplied laptop for remote work. Admittedly the HDMI is plugged
into my desktop monitor though a switch and I use a bluetooth mouse and
keyboard but it\'s good enough to VPN in to a real machine.

It\'s also difficult to travel with a desktop...

I wonder what would happen if you tried to set up a desktop, keyboard,
mouse, monitor on a table on a train?

First you would have to find a train...

You don\'t have trains? They\'re annoying things with shitty brakes that
would cause a car to be taken off the road. They expect everything else
to get out of their way. And they never go where you want to when you
want to. About time we got rid of those useless things which actually
use more fuel per person than a car.

Oh, we have trains but they\'re hauling coal to BC to ship to China.

There\'s a coal hauling train goes past me as there\'s a power station 10 miles down the road. The rails can\'t handle the weight, they\'re constantly repairing them.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmTnWxpcEQ

Someone has put a rude comment under there!

No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg

Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

That was the Milwaukee Road terminal but they went under in the \'70s.
You can\'t see it but in the foreground the rails have been ripped up and
turned into a bike/pedestrian trail.

Yeah we have one of those. Nice smooth tarmac. I often startle people by going for a run barefoot along it. It\'s perfect for toughening the soles, hard but no sharp things. I also took a Scarlet Macaw with me one time (on a lead long enough for her to fly around), that amused everyone.

The other terminal is next to an active rail line but the coal trains don\'t stop.

The closest passenger terminal is 133 miles north. You might want to
think twice about setting up a computer on the Empire Builder:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Montana_train_derailment

Funny, we had a courier service called Amtrak. They went bust.

Except for the east coast routes favored by government drones like Biden
US passenger rail is pretty dismal. Freight isn\'t much better:

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/shippers-complain-about-union-pacifics-plans-to-meter-traffic/

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/fertilizer-maker-faults-union-pacifics-plan-to-reduce-congestion

The second one is the money shot. A major fertilizer manufacturer can\'t
ship its product to the Midwest where the farmers are getting ready to
plant. If the farmers skimp on fertilizer the yields will be down. Just
what we need with Ukraine off the table at least for this season.

Russia has loads of stuff to sell, buy that. They\'ll give you a good price.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 04:14:42 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 7:35:55 AM UTC-4, charles wrote:
In article <op.1kl2t...@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com
wrote:
Where can I buy a large analogue meter? Big enough to show to a room of
people, about a foot long pointer.
get a smaller one and a video camera.

And a large TV display.

Or projector. The Optoma ones are fucking bright. You can use them with sun streaming through the window.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:36:21 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:36:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:15:57 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:39:32 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:12:09 AM UTC-7, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:55:55 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Anyway, within the x86 architecture they keep adding instructions etc. Can\'t it be improved out of the mess?
Not without giving up un backward compatibility and making a clean
break. Which has been against Intel theology for a long time.

Apple went through the same thing, and eventually hired a bunch of
market research firms to run focus groups sessions...
The question to be answered was if there had to
be a Motorola processor on the motherboard, or would a really good
emulator suffice. The vast majority of those in the focus (myself
included) said that no Motorola hardware was needed, so long as the
emulation was in fact that good, because we all had essential software
that could not be replaced for one reason or another. I assume that
most of the focus groups came to the same answer, because that\'s
exactly what happened.

Joe Gwinn

It was a stretch, though; there was a \'toolbox\' runtime library, and the
rewrite of that was probably the first need, because it would normally
be cached, and a two-stage emulator-plus-toolbox requirement used
a LOT of cache. Apple had some PowerPC processors made with extra-large
cache in the early days of the 68k-to-Power changeover, and eventually
the OS\'es became incompatible as emulations were dropped, first 68k
and then Power code in the Intel years.

Yes, but never mind the details, Apple did get it to work very well,
and maintained it for about ten years, then ceased to support it. By
then, most of those critical apps wee no longer critical, or had been
killed off by something else.

Nobody does anything critical with a Mac anyway. They\'re just for arty folk.

Well I\'ve never been accused of being arty, but OK.

But for really critical stuff, nobody uses Windows for sure. It\'s
Linux all the way, often controlling bespoke FPGA hardware.

Why no Windows? Well, the US Navy tried, in the SmartShip IT-21
program, for which the USS Yorktown was the testbed.

.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(CG-48)

Long story short, someone in the engine room entered a bad value of an
input form for pump performance recording, and crashed the Windows
computer system and all associated shipwide networks. The ship was
dead in the water, without propulsion, steering, or weapons. What
could go wrong?

Fortunately they were far from land, and not in a battle, so they
didn\'t get sunk or blunder into anything. They had to reboot the
entire ship. This all took about three hours.

That was the end of SmartShip - only the name survived, used only for
administrative activities, isolated from all tactical networks.

UNIX was the follow-on answer, but the various big platform vendors
became too expensive and too inflexible, and over time everything
migrated to Linux, mostly Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), which IBM
subsequently acquired. Wonder if IBM has learned anything since DoD
abandoned AIX.

Windows 3 decades ago is not equal to Windows today.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 05:17:54 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 06:51 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:49:12 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 02:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:18:43 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 10:56 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
You sound like a real programmer. As it happens I\'m having a lot of
problems with Python. Some idiot managed to make the program require
AVX, when 50% of the users had CPUs predating that.

I\'ve run into that a couple of times. In one case out of about 30
programming and QA machines I found two that could run the program. I
just happened to develop it on one of the two and was fat, dumb, and
happy until I tried to distribute it.

Python 3.x I assume? ESRI has been using 2.7 for some GIS scripting but
are moving to 3.x. I can hardly wait to rewrite my scripts.

Not sure, they run on a Debian virtual machine using Oracle Virtualbox.
This is the last log output I can find if it means anything to you:

Not a clue. Have I mentioned I hate VMs? Sometimes they\'re good for a
laugh. Some sites with high availability systems respond to Linux like a
vampire to garlic. What they don\'t know is under all those Server 20xx
VMs, Redhat and kvm is holding the whole mess together.

I use them to be able to run Linux shit on my grown up Windows systems.

Do you have 10 or 11?

11 of course. Why not take it as it\'s free? I bypassed the stupid TPM requirement (which only 1 of my 7 machines passed) using something called Rufus.

I am running wsl with Ubuntu on one machine and
Kali on another. wsl has come a long way and there now is a X server
included that integrates nicely. I\'ve got a dedicate Linux box too but
for some things wsl works well.

I did have problems on the laptop where the system would crash when the
display went to sleep. I don\'t think HyperV played well with the Acer
drivers. One or the other may have been fixed by now but I didn\'t
reinstall wsl after removing it.

Apparently HyperV is an even bigger piece of shite than VT-X and Oracle Virtualbox.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....

Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

 

[Jock]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:34:28 +1000, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:50:47 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 03:45 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:24:59 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/17/2022 01:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 19:55:20 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On 04/17/2022 09:46 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:08:45 +0100, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On 04/16/2022 05:20 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:


Apple\'s processor is an ARM so it\'s going to be more efficient
than
intels X86

When comparing RISC to CISC you have to be careful to specify
what
area
you\'re comparing for efficiency. Power consumption has been where
RISC
has shone. It took a while for compilers to catch up to create
optimized
code. Code size is necessarily greater, hence more RAM.

Come now, risc processors have been used for three decades now,
the compiler guys are really really good at generating quality
code
for all of them.

No modern programmer is good at anything, especially tight coding.
Give
them a computer from the 80s and they\'d have trouble writing a
calculator program to fit into 64KB.

One product I worked on was a handheld pH / ion concentration meter
that
used an 8049.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_MCS-48

I did the pH meter and another programmer did the ion concentration.
Reading the electrode value from the A/D and driving the user
interface
was the same for both products but the math was sufficiently
different
that 2K wasn\'t enough to do both.

There was also a benchtop meter/auto-titrator that used a Z-80. 64K
was
a real luxury.

In reply to Scott Lurndal, yeah the compiler guys have gotten really
good after 3 decades...

I have a mouse driver that\'s 130MB. WTF? That\'s over 3 times the
size
of the hard disk on a PC I had in 1991. What does the mouse driver
do?
Watch for left and right and a few button presses? In 1991 I think
it
was 30KB. 4000 times less efficient programming, we\'ve really come
far.

I looked at Java back in the late \'90s. It wasn\'t too bad but as it
grew
performance went into the toilet. The answer was \'you need a newer,
faster machine.\'

Over twenty years of hardware improvements and Java apps still suck.

I bought an Osborne 1 in \'81. It was a CP/M machine and came with 2
single side, single density 5 1/4\" floppy drives for a massive 90 KB
each. I later sent it back for the DD upgrade. Some how 90KB was
enough
to hold Wordstar, SuperCalc, or the BDS C compiler executables which
happily ran in 64KB of RAM.

Somehow Turbo Pascal managed to compile so fast that at first I
thought
it was broken compared to BDS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

Excellent movie but relevant how?

The film shows how people gradually became stupider. The same is
happening with programmers because they don\'t have to fit their programs
into tight RAM allocations any more.

That\'s not stupider, that\'s doing things more efficiently, not
having to waste your time hand optimising low level code.

And plenty still do that anyway with single chip micros.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:09:43 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:24:58 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1ksavwqomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:11:05 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:42:23 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kr54xtqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

Some people backup to optical just in case.

http://panteltje.com/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
Optical media last very very long in the dark, I also used some M_Discs
that box hold a thousand CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, Blu-ray discs and is full.
Now I backup daily to 3 TB USB drives... two, in case I drop one.

Just how much data have you got?! That is a lot of disks.

I dunno, many are CD-R from many many years ago, with all sort of things, even movies.
For more recent data this is sda2 from a Raspberry Pi4 with 4 GB RAM:
/dev/sda2 3844510712 3239539624 409610424 89% /mnt/sda2

so 89 % of a 4 TB Toshiba USB harddisk
That includes images of SDcard, some distros, what not.
Logs.. I have radiation logs that go back years for example.
Backups of the website... smartphone, legal stuff, financial stuff, all code I wrote,
security videos, all emails of the last 20 years or so, pictures I took and videos I made,
many Usenet postings I saved back over the last 20 years, easy with the newsreader I wrote
it has a search function, etc etc.., datasheets...
But even Linux \'locate\' will find things in seconds.

Security videos can be huge, I have two 4K cameras running continuously, but I have a core of a Ryzen 9 3900XT allocated to each
which only records when it sees something suspicious. I\'ve even used it to locate my neighbour\'s cat, which she found
confusing. But it auto deletes after a month unless I save it.

Yes, huge, but encoded,

Still huge. Unencoded would be ridiculous.

> soem run at lower frame-rate,

Mine appear to be limited by the CPU speed, one core is all the program will allocate per camera, so I only get 15 fps max. Usually 7 fps as the computer is very busy running Boinc.

yes I keep several weeks.
Been playing with the Pimoroni IR camera module on Raspberry, low resolution but detects body heat.
That has now passed the \'several weeks 24/7 on\' test.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html#xflir

I got some cheap shit from China. It\'s never the resolution advertised, but that means they\'ll panic and give you 50% off the already low price.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:43:21 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:24:53 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg
Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

No, we don\'t have to. We do because we can.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:00:07 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:43:21 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:24:53 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

No passengers, no tables. We have two passenger terminals but they\'ve
been recycled to other uses.

https://aws.boone-crockett.org/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/hq-bcheadquarters2015.jpg
Do you guys have to put a fucking flag everywhere?

No, we don\'t have to. We do because we can.

It achieves nothing apart from making you like like egotistical idiots, you\'re the laughing stock of the world.

 

[charles]

In article <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2022-04-18, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.

The company I worked for prior to my recent retirement made a
wire-wrapped supercomputer in the 1980s. We sold one into China, and
they took it apart and copied it. We started getting support requests
for computers we\'d never manufactured.


--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:02:18 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.

Which is why they went wrong so often. Yeah lets just hope two things touching with no solder or pressure just happen to conduct. It\'s the way kids make stuff. Twist the wires together and hope for the best.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:11:03 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@devnull.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-18, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.

The company I worked for prior to my recent retirement made a
wire-wrapped supercomputer in the 1980s. We sold one into China, and
they took it apart and copied it. We started getting support requests
for computers we\'d never manufactured.

Charge them for it and make money.

I\'m guessing this \"supercomputer\" was about 1 MIP. My computers collectively do 30,000,000 MIPS, in my garage.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/18/2022 12:56 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I have several RTL_SDR sticks now in the raspis, some are 1 ppm
One reads my outside weather station
One reads airplane data using dump1090 and logs and displays it:
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_5_planes.gif

That\'s what I have mostly done. It\'s not extremely busy but I like to
snoop on what\'s coming and going from the local airport. There is no
ship traffic in this state With global warming maybe we will have an
ocean in a couple of centuries.

I\'ve picked up a little SSB traffic but this area requires good antennas
to pick up anything besides 2m.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:56:22 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Oh I dunno, I did wirewrap a complete 19 inch rack with eurocards long ago,
Had some RF too, well hundreds of kHz ..

This was also fun:
http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_top.jpg
http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_bottom.jpg

and this more recent:
http://panteltje.com/pub/flight_controller_top_IMG_5866.JPG
http://panteltje.com/pub/flight_controller_bottom_IMG_5864.JPG

or this from long ago:
http://www.panteltje.com/pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_wiring_img_1756.jpg
http://panteltje.com/pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_inside2_img_1757.jpg

peeseebees? not me.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/18/2022 01:02 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....

I\'ve still got the tools and an assortment of wirewrap sockets but
haven\'t done a project in a long time. I got away from hardware when
surface mount came in. Even with magnifiers I don\'t have the vision to
deal with that anymore.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/18/2022 08:56 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language
\'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you
can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

You assume there is a circuit board to solder anything to. Wirewrap is
great for prototyping before you bother with a board. Of course there\'s
the dead bug method.

https://www.instructables.com/Dead-Bug-Prototyping-and-Freeform-Electronics/

Whoever did the dead bug arduino has a lot of time on his hands.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/18/2022 10:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2022-04-18, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Wirewrap used to be the standard for GPO wiring blocks.

The company I worked for prior to my recent retirement made a
wire-wrapped supercomputer in the 1980s. We sold one into China, and
they took it apart and copied it. We started getting support requests
for computers we\'d never manufactured.

Then there was the hybrid where circuit boards slotted into sockets but
there was no backplane so you wired it up point to point.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:35:18 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:56:22 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.1kts38vgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:02:11 +0100, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


Isn\'t wirewrap what amateurs do that can\'t solder?

Oh I dunno, I did wirewrap a complete 19 inch rack with eurocards long ago,
Had some RF too, well hundreds of kHz ..

This was also fun:
http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_top.jpg
http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_bottom.jpg
and this more recent:
http://panteltje.com/pub/flight_controller_top_IMG_5866.JPG
http://panteltje.com/pub/flight_controller_bottom_IMG_5864.JPG

or this from long ago:
http://www.panteltje.com/pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_wiring_img_1756.jpg
http://panteltje.com/pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_inside2_img_1757.jpg

peeseebees? not me.

Those all look soldered. And that\'s the way I like to do stuff.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:40:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/18/2022 01:02 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:08:22 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jc3adkFbplkU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04/17/2022 10:51 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What\'s a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language \'python\' or so?
I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html

While I prefer the AVR series I definitely agree. My day job is C/C++/C#
and increasingly JavaScript with a new Angular product but when I get
home I like to keep in simple like when I could wire-wrap up a working
Z80 board.

Have dot doen wirewrap in ages...
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

soldering....


I\'ve still got the tools and an assortment of wirewrap sockets but
haven\'t done a project in a long time. I got away from hardware when
surface mount came in. Even with magnifiers I don\'t have the vision to
deal with that anymore.

I astonished someone at work when he was trying to read a surface mount resistor value through a magnifying glass. I glanced at it without one and told him the value. Apparently I have the eyesight and the hearing of a 16 year old. Unfortunately not the body.