Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

[Peeler]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:07:10 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.

If you read about a senile cocksucker on Usenet, he is always, 100%, white,
you typical white bigmouthed senile Yankee braggart! No black guy seems ever
to condescend to your level, you senile white trash!

--
Gossiping \"lowbrowwoman\" about herself:
\"Usenet is my blog... I don\'t give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
MID: <iteioiF60jmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Martin Brown]

On 18/04/2022 04:38, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:45:30 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 4/14/2022 2:44 PM, Jock wrote:


Would you buy a 6.2 litre electric car?
I\'m not actually stupid enough to buy any electric car.

Wait 5 years. They will be much better in many ways.New battery
material, greater range,
Still no use for me.
charging times not much different that pumping a tank of gas.
Don\'t believe that will be seen in 5 years with a viable battery life.

And the battery won\'t last anything like as long as a modern IC engine.
My previous IC car lasted 45 years fine and only needed to be
replaced because I was too stupid to fix the known windscreen leak
with the car never garaged or car ported.

Ok, in 2040, where will you buy gasoline, at the airport? The remaining ICE on the road won\'t justify keeping open a distribution network for autos. While gas will drop to probably $2 a gal in the next couple of years as BEVs start to make a dent in the number of gas cars on the roads, that will only last so long before prices start going back up as it becomes more costly to maintain the distribution network for the smaller amount of gas being produced. As the demand drops, eventually it will be very expensive, like $10 a gallon, to get any gas at all, and it will all be unleaded regular. So don\'t plan on running your high performance, high compression muscle car.

The idea of running an ICE for another 45 years is pretty much a fantasy at this point.

We will have to wait and see. I don\'t believe any of the proposed
\"plans\" for moving to all EVs will work. There simply isn\'t enough
electricity generating capacity in the UK or Germany to go around.

Vintage cars get special dispensation. There are still a few running on
leaded fuel because conversion is impossible. Come to that there are a
few wood burning steam powered cars in the annual London to Brighton
race that are still going more than 100 years after they were built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtjeLwF1lP0

I predict some variant of a Mad Max crossed with Cuba future where
people cannibalise other vehicles for spares to keep the others going
for decades after their \"use-by\" date. I can\'t see petroleum refining
ever stopping - it is needed for aviation and for chemical feedstocks.

UK barely has enough electricity in winter to keep the lights on. And if
Russia turns off their gas tap then Germany will grind to a halt PDQ.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 15/04/2022 18:13, Tim+ wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@devnull.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Obviously you have never seen the evolution of cars, airplanes,
electronics and the advances that can be made in five years.

Obviously you haven\'t .

Nothing much has changed in any of those fields - they are pretty mature
tech.

Coincidentally, I had a conversation this morning with an engineer who
works for Ford. He works in image processing; one of the projects
he worked on a few years ago enables the backup camera to initiate
braking if it sees an obstacle. He actually benefited from this
feature on a cloudy, gray day when he was backing up toward a gray car.

My husband gave him an idea for additional features for automatic
headlights. He said he\'d split his bonus with us if he gets one.

There really is a lot more going on than you realize, TNP.


I think TNP has reached his “new tech” limit.

The automatic headlights on my car are quite amazing. I haven’t worked out
how the work but they’re a *lot* more sophisticated that a simple forward
pointing photocell. I suspect some fairly serious image processing is going
on.

Mine are in the two short planks league. They are easily fooled into
coming on by the very low winter sun or passing under a short underpass.

To be fair in automatic mode they are almost always on when I think they
should be but are sometimes on because of their bad design and my high
latitude. Very rarely they fail to come on when poor local visibility is
the reason for switching them on rather than absolute light levels.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 04:07:10 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 06:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:44 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 01:14 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:08:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/18/2022 08:54 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
11 of course. Why not take it as it\'s free? I bypassed the stupid
TPM
requirement (which only 1 of my 7 machines passed) using something
called Rufus.

I\'ve used rufus to create bootable USB sticks for Linux distros. Same
rufus?

[change of subject]

Ever fired a gun this small?
https://youtu.be/w3PHD__2wsE
FFWD to 6:10 to see a lego man being killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-vaGV8wy0

Small as I need to go... A friend had one and you can get more accuracy
than you would think. More than one human man has been killed with a .22.

I laugh at Americans killing each other. At least it keeps your numbers
down to the same level as your intelligence.

Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.

The question is what colour are the dead?

 

[rbowman]

On 04/20/2022 06:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 04:07:10 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 06:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:44 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 01:14 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:08:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On 04/18/2022 08:54 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
11 of course. Why not take it as it\'s free? I bypassed the stupid
TPM
requirement (which only 1 of my 7 machines passed) using something
called Rufus.

I\'ve used rufus to create bootable USB sticks for Linux distros. Same
rufus?

[change of subject]

Ever fired a gun this small?
https://youtu.be/w3PHD__2wsE
FFWD to 6:10 to see a lego man being killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-vaGV8wy0

Small as I need to go... A friend had one and you can get more
accuracy
than you would think. More than one human man has been killed with a
.22.

I laugh at Americans killing each other. At least it keeps your numbers
down to the same level as your intelligence.

Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.

The question is what colour are the dead?

Usually some shade of brown... The other clue is if the news articles
are very vague in describing the alleged shooter and don\'t run a mug
shot. If the perp was white that\'s in the lede.

If the name appears to have been created by an illiterate trying to
phonetically spell something you have another clue.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

You\'ll sometimes see numbers like 13/55. That\'s shorthand for 13% of the
population accounting for 55% of the murders. That\'s overall. The
Chicago PD did an extensive study in 2011. About 3% of the victims or
perpetrators were white.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:52:21 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Usually some shade of brown...

On your tongue? ...after you licked the unwashed Scottish wanker\'s arse
again, lowbrowwoman? <BG>

--
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to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:52:28 AM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:

On 04/20/2022 06:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 04:07:10 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 06:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:44 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/19/2022 01:14 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:08:01 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com
wrote:

On 04/18/2022 08:54 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
11 of course. Why not take it as it\'s free? I bypassed the stupid
TPM
requirement (which only 1 of my 7 machines passed) using something
called Rufus.

I\'ve used rufus to create bootable USB sticks for Linux distros. Same
rufus?

[change of subject]

Ever fired a gun this small?
https://youtu.be/w3PHD__2wsE
FFWD to 6:10 to see a lego man being killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-vaGV8wy0

Small as I need to go... A friend had one and you can get more
accuracy
than you would think. More than one human man has been killed with a
.22.

I laugh at Americans killing each other. At least it keeps your numbers
down to the same level as your intelligence.

Unfortunately it doesn\'t work that way. If you read about a mass
shooting event with many wounded and few, if any, fatalities, the
shooter(s) were black. If there were many fatalities usually the
shooter(s) were white.

The question is what colour are the dead?

Usually some shade of brown... The other clue is if the news articles
are very vague in describing the alleged shooter and don\'t run a mug
shot. If the perp was white that\'s in the lede.

If the name appears to have been created by an illiterate trying to
phonetically spell something you have another clue.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

You\'ll sometimes see numbers like 13/55. That\'s shorthand for 13% of the
population accounting for 55% of the murders. That\'s overall. The
Chicago PD did an extensive study in 2011. About 3% of the victims or
perpetrators were white.

Somebody with more sense might have classified the victims by income and education.

Murder and violent crime in general is typically poverty-related.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7234816/

is about China.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/Booklet1.pdf

is a UN document, and correspondingly comprehensive. In the US the white population does tend to be richer and better educated. They commit fewer murders, but tend to own more, and more accurate guns, so when they do go insane and start killing people they do kill more of them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 4:50:56 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/04/2022 04:38, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:45:30 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 4/14/2022 2:44 PM, Jock wrote:


Would you buy a 6.2 litre electric car?
I\'m not actually stupid enough to buy any electric car.

Wait 5 years. They will be much better in many ways.New battery
material, greater range,
Still no use for me.
charging times not much different that pumping a tank of gas.
Don\'t believe that will be seen in 5 years with a viable battery life.

And the battery won\'t last anything like as long as a modern IC engine..
My previous IC car lasted 45 years fine and only needed to be
replaced because I was too stupid to fix the known windscreen leak
with the car never garaged or car ported.

Ok, in 2040, where will you buy gasoline, at the airport? The remaining ICE on the road won\'t justify keeping open a distribution network for autos. While gas will drop to probably $2 a gal in the next couple of years as BEVs start to make a dent in the number of gas cars on the roads, that will only last so long before prices start going back up as it becomes more costly to maintain the distribution network for the smaller amount of gas being produced. As the demand drops, eventually it will be very expensive, like $10 a gallon, to get any gas at all, and it will all be unleaded regular. So don\'t plan on running your high performance, high compression muscle car..

The idea of running an ICE for another 45 years is pretty much a fantasy at this point.

We will have to wait and see. I don\'t believe any of the proposed
\"plans\" for moving to all EVs will work. There simply isn\'t enough
electricity generating capacity in the UK or Germany to go around.

From the many conversations I had with people from the UK, it is surprising you can keep your grid up currently. So adding even one more BEV may bring it crashing down. Yes, I agree about the UK. It is more like a third world country than anything. I expect here in Puerto Rico they are better equipped to support BEVs.

Vintage cars get special dispensation. There are still a few running on
leaded fuel because conversion is impossible. Come to that there are a
few wood burning steam powered cars in the annual London to Brighton
race that are still going more than 100 years after they were built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtjeLwF1lP0

I predict some variant of a Mad Max crossed with Cuba future where
people cannibalise other vehicles for spares to keep the others going
for decades after their \"use-by\" date. I can\'t see petroleum refining
ever stopping - it is needed for aviation and for chemical feedstocks.

Actually, it isn\'t. All petroleum can be replaced with organic sources... that we don\'t need to wait millions of years for processing. It\'s a matter of time until that is more practical than it is today. The other alternative for many is hydrogen. Again, not entirely practical today, but it is being used and will be much more used as the source energy becomes cheaper.

UK barely has enough electricity in winter to keep the lights on. And if
Russia turns off their gas tap then Germany will grind to a halt PDQ.

Exactly. Think of Puerto Rico and hurricane Maria. Yeah, that\'s where the UK is headed, but mostly because of the defeatist attitude.

--

Rick C.

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[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

--
Jasen.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 21/04/2022 04:31, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

And it ran them surprisingly well for the time. I had one. The 16 bit
V30 version was almost as fast as a 286 and had bit twiddling
instructions. V20 was certainly faster than the 8088 by ~10%.

ISTR there was a bun fight over reverse engineered/stolen microcode too.

The most impressive of the alternative chips was the Cyrix FasMath FPU
which was done by formal methods and found multiple bugs in the Intel
387 implementation of the IEEE floating point standard in the process.
It was about 50% faster and also more accurate which was very useful in
scientific circles.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:49:13 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 03:51:35 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:28:51 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Touching things cannot be as good as welded together things.

Wrong. Crimping and welding are both entirely acceptable for high reliability,
with solder just a little behind. Wire-wrap is a variable entity, because there\'s lots of
wire and lots of posts, and some combinations are just dandy, like crimping.

You have to hope those two pieces of metal are always in contact. I don\'t with solder, because they are \"the same\" piece of metal.

Crimping is done with metals that, unlike solder, don\'t cold-flow. Mil-spec
crimps don\'t fail. There\'s a lot of crimped wiring in an airplane.

A PC power supply is always two or more circuit boards, because the required
components aren\'t reliably joined under ONE solder temperature profile, you gotta
use two or more different soldering methods to mass produce \'em. Solder,
when it works, is cheap, not excessively reliable.

Just had a look inside one, just one circuit board. Only the odd large component isn\'t on the board and is soldered on by wires.

Look inside a modern one; bear in mind, only wave solder is suitable for making all the DC power wire
connections, and then only with significant touchup afterward; one generally doesn\'t wave solder
doublesided or surface mount.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/20/2022 09:31 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

Right, National was mostly analog. I was surprised to find TI bought
National. I hadn\'t thought about either in a long time. I worked on a
project that used the TMS9900. It\'s claim to fame was availability in a
rad hard version. NEC seems to be rolling along.

 

[rbowman]

On 04/21/2022 02:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2022 04:31, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

And it ran them surprisingly well for the time. I had one. The 16 bit
V30 version was almost as fast as a 286 and had bit twiddling
instructions. V20 was certainly faster than the 8088 by ~10%.

ISTR there was a bun fight over reverse engineered/stolen microcode too.

The most impressive of the alternative chips was the Cyrix FasMath FPU
which was done by formal methods and found multiple bugs in the Intel
387 implementation of the IEEE floating point standard in the process.
It was about 50% faster and also more accurate which was very useful in
scientific circles.

Quirks of fate. IBM didn\'t believe in the PC market and the 8088 was the
cheapest way to go. And here we are...

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 9:50:34 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:

On 04/21/2022 02:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/04/2022 04:31, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

And it ran them surprisingly well for the time. I had one. The 16 bit
V30 version was almost as fast as a 286 and had bit twiddling
instructions. V20 was certainly faster than the 8088 by ~10%.

ISTR there was a bun fight over reverse engineered/stolen microcode too..

The most impressive of the alternative chips was the Cyrix FasMath FPU
which was done by formal methods and found multiple bugs in the Intel
387 implementation of the IEEE floating point standard in the process.
It was about 50% faster and also more accurate which was very useful in
scientific circles.

Quirks of fate. IBM didn\'t believe in the PC market and the 8088 was the
cheapest way to go. And here we are...

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves. New versions of the OS require you to verify your basic PC hardware is supported even though they still include the equivalent of the 8253 chip for the real time clock counter, even if it\'s not used.

The only consistency in the computing world is the lack of consistency, and even that is inconsistent making it consistent. Or something like that.

--

Rick C.

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:50:27 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Quirks of fate. IBM didn\'t believe in the PC market and the 8088 was the
cheapest way to go. And here we are...

....driveling and bullshitting endlessly in your known ridiculous
grandiloquent manner, bigmouth!

--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:44:13 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Right, National was mostly analog. I was surprised to find TI bought
National. I hadn\'t thought about either in a long time.

That\'s understood, bigmouth. But did you also not TALK about it for a long
time? Hard to believe, you endlessly driveling senile chatterbox! <BG>

--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
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[Martin Brown]

On 21/04/2022 14:44, rbowman wrote:

On 04/20/2022 09:31 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

 NEC V20

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

Right, National was mostly analog. I was surprised to find TI bought
National. I hadn\'t thought about either in a long time. I worked on a

National did have its not quite a VAX on a chip NS32k series.
Dec had its MicroVax 78032 (ISTR slightly later but better).

Zilog had its Z8000. I had the tricky job of unpicking a way out of that
particular blind alley as one of my first jobs in industry. Olivetti M20
and certain of the dedicated word processors used it.

project that used the TMS9900. It\'s claim to fame was availability in a
rad hard version. NEC seems to be rolling along.

I worked on several using its smaller 9995 and bigger brother the 99k.

I didn\'t appreciate at the time just how good at interrupt handling and
context switching it was until later when we tried to do the same real
time tasks on a notionally faster Motorola 68k series CPU.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[%%]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:50:27 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/21/2022 02:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/04/2022 04:31, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early
Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve
leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

And it ran them surprisingly well for the time. I had one. The 16 bit
V30 version was almost as fast as a 286 and had bit twiddling
instructions. V20 was certainly faster than the 8088 by ~10%.

ISTR there was a bun fight over reverse engineered/stolen microcode too.

The most impressive of the alternative chips was the Cyrix FasMath FPU
which was done by formal methods and found multiple bugs in the Intel
387 implementation of the IEEE floating point standard in the process.
It was about 50% faster and also more accurate which was very useful in
scientific circles.

Quirks of fate. IBM didn\'t believe in the PC market

That is silly. They even did the PCJr later and tried to corner the
home PC market with that and failed spectacularly with that one.

Same with the PS2 for the business market and that failed too.

> and the 8088 was the cheapest way to go.

But was quite adequate to see the PC take off spectacularly.

The main competitor at the time, the Apple II, had a similar
horsepower cpu and the same plug in card approach.

And the AT was a more viable design.

> And here we are...

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 03:36:28 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
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cretin\'s pathological trolling:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

 

[rbowman]

On 04/21/2022 08:36 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

Zilog had its Z8000. I had the tricky job of unpicking a way out of that
particular blind alley as one of my first jobs in industry. Olivetti M20
and certain of the dedicated word processors used it.

I liked the Z8000 and still have a Captain Zilog t-shirt from a Zilog
seminar. The story was Exxon owned Zilog and was in a pissing contest
with IBM so the processor was never considered.

I had a 68000 development board and also thought that was a good
prospect but 68008 parts weren\'t readily available. I was gun shy about
Motorola anyway. Design one of their processors in and they would get an
order for a billion pieces from the automotive industry and hang you out
to dry. The early \'80s were a preview of today with suppliers quoting
one year lead times.

Then there was the iAPX 432 fiasco... I never had my hands on one of
those; I don\'t think many did.

At least we don\'t have to compile with tiny, small, compact, medium,
large, and huge libraries anymore.