Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:06:23 AM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:

On 05/01/2022 12:43 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The actual data they\'d looked at demonstrated that the people they were dismissing as low in IQ had been well aware that it wasn\'t a good idea to do well on IQ tests, and had skipped large chunks of the tests. This was just one of many instances of incompetence that showed up.

Do you think someone who skips large chunks of a test would make a good
employee?

The point at issue was that low caste people - coloured people in this case - who did well on IQ tests were seen as uppity, and got persecuted for it.

They were reacting intelligently to their environment, which suggests that they\'d make excellent employees, likely to correct their bosses errors in ways that didn\'t draw attention to the fact that their boss had made an error. It might be better for the orgainsation if the boss could learn that they\'d made an error, but only if the boss were capable of using the information well enough not to make the same error again. Bosses find it hard to believe that subordinates should be taken seriously. Lower caste subordinates are even less likely to be taken seriously.

It\'s more sociology than psychology, but \"The Bell Curve\" was trying to make a sociological point, and showed themselves up a sociologically inept.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:54:25 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:07:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves.

Precisely the opposite is true. Pretty much everything in Windows and PC hardware has been compatible. But when Apple change something, you have to change everything. When they introduced USB, the serial ports just vanished, on the same day! No overlap so you could keep your old hardware.

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.

Thanks for proving my point. Lets patch up the crappy equipment with adapters.

Hah! That attitude is just a bout of new-paint disease, very silly.

According to google, you made that phrase up.

> The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones,

How can an earlier thing be an improvement over something that hadn\'t been made yet?

> which were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed.

The cable is the clue.

And the main problem is they only had one button! And.... they had no non-button part, so what did you push against? It\'s like a mobile phone with no edge, everything causes you to click something.

And, the LaserWriter II
printers were pricey, suited for a 200k page lifetime, and did NOT have USB or (usually) Ethernet
interfaces. No reason to recycle the reliable printers of the beige-Mac era; I\'m
still enjoying one of \'em.

Yes, I had to buy loads of adapters at work when the serial disappeared. And then find the adapters failed to work in 10% of cases.

The ethernet helped since most of ours had those or could be fitted. Since workers (and their machines) moved around a lot, and printers tended to sit in the corner of each office for a decade, it was easier to have them networked, especially if the workers wanted to print something in another section they used to work in when helping out a colleague.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.

Thanks for proving my point. Lets patch up the crappy equipment with adapters.

Hah! That attitude is just a bout of new-paint disease, very silly.

According to google, you made that phrase up.

Google credits me for that graceful turn of phrase? I\'m flattered, but it isn\'t orginal.

The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones,
How can an earlier thing be an improvement over something that hadn\'t been made yet?
which were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed.
The cable is the clue.

It\'s an improvement, when your iMac mouse gets stuffed in the bottom drawer and
you put an adapted old mouse back to work. The cable, yeah, it\'s a clue,
but you don\'t touch the cable when working.

And the main problem is they only had one button! And.... they had no non-button part, so what did you push against? It\'s like a mobile phone with no edge, everything causes you to click something.

The hockey-puck mouse had as many buttons as anyone needed. The \'no non-button part\'
describes some touchpads, and some later USB mice, but not the original USB one from Apple.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:06:26 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.

Thanks for proving my point. Lets patch up the crappy equipment with adapters.

Hah! That attitude is just a bout of new-paint disease, very silly.

According to google, you made that phrase up.

Google credits me for that graceful turn of phrase? I\'m flattered, but it isn\'t orginal.

Don\'t give up the day job.

The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones,
How can an earlier thing be an improvement over something that hadn\'t been made yet?
which were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed.
The cable is the clue.

It\'s an improvement, when your iMac mouse gets stuffed in the bottom drawer and
you put an adapted old mouse back to work. The cable, yeah, it\'s a clue,
but you don\'t touch the cable when working.

It provides a subtle drag coefficient. And most people don\'t turn the mouse round. Unless you have evil colleagues.

And the main problem is they only had one button! And.... they had no non-button part, so what did you push against? It\'s like a mobile phone with no edge, everything causes you to click something.

The hockey-puck mouse had as many buttons as anyone needed.

One?!? No context menus?

The \'no non-button part\'
describes some touchpads, and some later USB mice, but not the original USB one from Apple.

If you do an image search for \"apple mouse\", you will see most of them have the entire top as a button. How the fuck were you supposed to operate that? Lean on it? Maybe they were made for fat Merkins with oversize flabby fingers?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:06:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

The \'no non-button part\' describes some touchpads, and some later USB mice, but not the original USB one from Apple.

If you do an image search for \"apple mouse\", you will see most of them have the entire top as a button. How the fuck were you supposed to operate that? Lean on it? Maybe they were made for fat Merkins with oversize flabby fingers?

Push it down into the operating surface until it gives a bit. It\'s called proprioceptive feedback. \"Key touch\" on a piano is a more subtle version of the same effect. You can feel when the piano key loses contact with the hammer as the hammer flies off to hit the piano string . You can\'t consciously perceive it, but good pianists are very conscious of \"piano touch\" and the effect it has on the precise timing of the notes they play.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rick]

On 14/04/2022 11:53, Jon wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.1kl2tgobmvhs6z@ryzen.lan...
Where can I buy a large analogue meter?  Big enough to show to a room
of people, about a foot long pointer.

I am sure there was one used in a willy wonka film.

They used to use them in schools .. plugging in shunts or multipliers as
needed.

You could easily knock one up ... wind a coil, hardboard pointer.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:55 +0100, rick <rick_hughes@_remove_btconnect.com> wrote:

On 14/04/2022 11:53, Jon wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.1kl2tgobmvhs6z@ryzen.lan...
Where can I buy a large analogue meter? Big enough to show to a room
of people, about a foot long pointer.

I am sure there was one used in a willy wonka film.


They used to use them in schools .. plugging in shunts or multipliers as
needed.

Yip, two foot tall. Surprised there\'s no market for them now. They do still teach kids what electricity is, right?

> You could easily knock one up ... wind a coil, hardboard pointer.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:36:54 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:06:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones,
which were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed.

How can an earlier thing be an improvement over something that hadn\'t been made yet?

It\'s an improvement, when your iMac mouse gets stuffed in the bottom drawer

> >> The cable is the clue.

.... but you keep eyes on the screen, you put one hand on the mouse. You don\'t
palpate to find the cord before you start using your pointing device. All users
knew this was a bogosity.

It provides a subtle drag coefficient. And most people don\'t turn the mouse round. Unless you have evil colleagues.
And the main problem is they only had one button! And.... they had no non-button part, so what did you push against? It\'s like a mobile phone with no edge, everything causes you to click something.

The hockey-puck mouse had as many buttons as anyone needed.
One?!? No context menus?

Yeah, one. With your other hand, you can shift/option/fn/control/command if you need
to use a modifier. Point, click: those are the mouse functions.

The \'no non-button part\'
describes some touchpads, and some later USB mice, but not the original USB one from Apple.
If you do an image search for \"apple mouse\", you will see most of them have the entire top as a button. How the fuck were you supposed to operate that? Lean on it? Maybe they were made for fat Merkins with oversize flabby fingers?

The recent mice have touch-sensitive surfaces that give three \'buttons\' which (confusingly)
are software-assignable in many ways. I\'m unimpressed by the ergonomics, but I\'ve also seen
nine-button mice which were MUCH less useful (three numbers, three colors, three symbols).

My Apple trackpads are one-button. If software can\'t handle that, it\'s the programmers\' fault.

 

[Paul]

On 5/3/2022 12:38 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:55 +0100, rick <rick_hughes@_remove_btconnect.com> wrote:

On 14/04/2022 11:53, Jon wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.1kl2tgobmvhs6z@ryzen.lan...
Where can I buy a large analogue meter?  Big enough to show to a room
of people, about a foot long pointer.

I am sure there was one used in a willy wonka film.


They used to use them in schools .. plugging in shunts or multipliers as
needed.

Yip, two foot tall.  Surprised there\'s no market for them now.  They do still teach kids what electricity is, right?

You could easily knock one up ... wind a coil, hardboard pointer.

If you want to make your own, you could use a servo
as the broom straw holder and rotate to whatever
degree you have in mind for the display. A display
device does not have to be an exact copy of a Simpson.

Paul

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 4 May 2022 04:48:01 -0400, Paul, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

> If you want to make your own

He ONLY wants to be fed by you senile assholes in these groups who keep
doing him the favour, time and again! The mentally ill wanker will jerk off
to every idiotic reply he gets from you for his idiotic baits! Luckily, for
him, Usenet nowadays is infested with miserable troll-feeding senile
assholes who are (because of their senility) too happy and willing to keep
playing his game, even after they learned what the proven clinically insane
sociopath is all about. <BG>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 03 May 2022 23:38:55 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:36:54 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2022 05:06:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2022 04:42:31 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones,
which were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed.

How can an earlier thing be an improvement over something that hadn\'t been made yet?

It\'s an improvement, when your iMac mouse gets stuffed in the bottom drawer

The cable is the clue.

... but you keep eyes on the screen, you put one hand on the mouse. You don\'t
palpate to find the cord before you start using your pointing device. All users
knew this was a bogosity.

I didn\'t mean you actually touched the cord, but you can easily feel it pulling at the mouse. Now unless that mouse is circular, I\'d be hard pressed to accidentally rotate it 180 degrees.

It provides a subtle drag coefficient. And most people don\'t turn the mouse round. Unless you have evil colleagues.
And the main problem is they only had one button! And.... they had no non-button part, so what did you push against? It\'s like a mobile phone with no edge, everything causes you to click something.

The hockey-puck mouse had as many buttons as anyone needed.
One?!? No context menus?

Yeah, one. With your other hand, you can shift/option/fn/control/command if you need
to use a modifier. Point, click: those are the mouse functions.

Why use two hands when you can use one? A second button is an absolute must for any computer.

The \'no non-button part\'
describes some touchpads, and some later USB mice, but not the original USB one from Apple.
If you do an image search for \"apple mouse\", you will see most of them have the entire top as a button. How the fuck were you supposed to operate that? Lean on it? Maybe they were made for fat Merkins with oversize flabby fingers?

The recent mice have touch-sensitive surfaces that give three \'buttons\' which (confusingly)
are software-assignable in many ways.

And just how do you know where the border between each button is?

I\'m unimpressed by the ergonomics, but I\'ve also seen
nine-button mice which were MUCH less useful (three numbers, three colors, three symbols).

I don\'t have 9 fingers on one hand. Gamers seem to like that sort of thing though. Not sure how they remember which weapon they\'ve assigned to which button though.

 

[none]

In article <jd6kliF5c2qU1@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 04/30/2022 09:22 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The proposition that Africans had a lower IQ than Europeans is roughly
as stupid. The original IQ tests weren\'t culture-free, and because they
were created by Europeans, non-Europeans didn\'t score as well on them as
they should have done. Raceists haven\'t noticed.

I recall reformulated IQ tests like the BITCH (I didn\'t name it) and the
Chitlin. There was one attempt that had the embarrassing result of Asian
kids doing better than the target audience.

IQ has much to do with upbringing. The training that goes with learning
Chinese has a positive effect. You will also note that cultural Jews
in the USA (mostly atheist by the way) do much better that the average
hillbilly.

I\'m not a fan of IQ tests but if there is a correlation between measured
IQ and success in the 21st century cultural bias doesn\'t matter. In
other words if you can\'t cut it in the prevailing culture, sorry.

There is not much stress to difference in IQ. My take is that
you cannot function in an organisation that has a level 20 points
lower than you (or for that matter 20 points higher).

Groetjes Albert
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alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:25:13 PM UTC+10, none albert wrote:

In article <jd6kli...@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/30/2022 09:22 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The proposition that Africans had a lower IQ than Europeans is roughly
as stupid. The original IQ tests weren\'t culture-free, and because they
were created by Europeans, non-Europeans didn\'t score as well on them as
they should have done. Raceists haven\'t noticed.

I recall reformulated IQ tests like the BITCH (I didn\'t name it) and the
Chitlin. There was one attempt that had the embarrassing result of Asian
kids doing better than the target audience.

IQ has much to do with upbringing. The training that goes with learning
Chinese has a positive effect. You will also note that cultural Jews
in the USA (mostly atheist by the way) do much better that the average
hillbilly.


I\'m not a fan of IQ tests but if there is a correlation between measured
IQ and success in the 21st century cultural bias doesn\'t matter. In
other words if you can\'t cut it in the prevailing culture, sorry.

There is not much stress to difference in IQ. My take is that
you cannot function in an organisation that has a level 20 points
lower than you (or for that matter 20 points higher).

When I worked at EMI Central Research there were lots of clever people around, and quite a few who were spectacularly clever. The ones who were hard to get on with weren\'t differentiated by cleverness, but rather by pig-headedness and other kinds of personality defects. By and large the cleverer people were better at getting around the personality defects.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney