What is the purspose of pre-tinned wire?

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:54:58 -0400, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:10:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Tarnish is silver sulphide. It is no oxide.

You don't understand what "oxidation" means.

Hmmm then Rust is actually Iron Sulfide?

I thought a high concentration of Sulfur had to be present for
sulfidation to occur.?????????????????????????????????

You all also seem to miss the 'ide' part of all this. It may not be
"Silver Oxide"itself, but even the 'tarnish' that is based on grabbing
sulfur molecules out of the air, is still an oxidation process.

Sulf-IDE

 

[FatBytestard]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT), proteusiiv@gmail.com wrote:

ARCHIMEDES' IS A DESPERATE CHILD WITH CRIMINAL TENDENCIES
THE SAD MELANCHOLIC OFF SPRING OF A CROSS BETWEEN HUMAN AND FAIRY TALE
TROLL I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HIS PARENTS WERE THINKINGAT THE TIME NOR DO
I THINK I WANT TO BUT THERE MUST BE A FILE A BOOK OR A FANTASY NOVEL
SOMEWHERE THAT EXPLAINS IT

I AM PROTEUS

Go back to your gay porn, Roy.

 

[Chris Street]

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:54:58 -0400, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:10:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Tarnish is silver sulphide. It is no oxide.
You don't understand what "oxidation" means.

Hmmm then Rust is actually Iron Sulfide?

I thought a high concentration of Sulfur had to be present for
sulfidation to occur.?????????????????????????????????


You all also seem to miss the 'ide' part of all this. It may not be
"Silver Oxide"itself, but even the 'tarnish' that is based on grabbing
sulfur molecules out of the air, is still an oxidation process.

Sulf-IDE

I hadn't missed that at all as I pointed out in the first post I made it
is a redox reaction. However oxidation products are not always oxides -
burn a jet of chlorine gas in a hydrogen atmopshere and chlorine is
reduced, hydrogen is oxidised, the oxidation product is hydrochloric
acid and no oxygen or oxide is to be found....

 

[ingvald44]

J.A. Legris wrote:

On Apr 18, 6:09 pm, mick <not.h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:54:52 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

snip



Borderline? Bwahahahahahaha! You must be new around here ;-)
:-D
Nice one Jim...

--
Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!)
Web:http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

There's nothing particularly "borderline" about it - it's just a name.
The odd thing is that Phil probably falls
a little into every personality disorder category, but not completely
into any of them. I think they need a new one - Australian personality
disorder
Related to Kadaitcha Man?

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:56:19 -0400, ingvald44 <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

J.A. Legris wrote:
On Apr 18, 6:09 pm, mick <not.h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:54:52 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

snip



Borderline? Bwahahahahahaha! You must be new around here ;-)
:-D
Nice one Jim...

--
Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!)
Web:http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

There's nothing particularly "borderline" about it - it's just a name.
The odd thing is that Phil probably falls
a little into every personality disorder category, but not completely
into any of them. I think they need a new one - Australian personality
disorder
Related to Kadaitcha Man?

Inasmuch as the fact that both are KOOKS, yes.

 

On Apr 19, 12:20 pm, Carlo <madre...@telefonica.sa> wrote:

On 18 Apr  15:18, Archimedes' Lever wrote:



On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:36:55 -0400, Van Chocstraw
boobooililili...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Sandi wrote:
Some insulated multistrnd copper wire is pre-tinned and a
lot is not.

What is the purpose of pre-tinned wire? As far as I can see
the advantage is that the copper core doesn't oxidise which
means the wire can be soldered or fixed to a terminate with
only minimal  cleaning.

Sounds like a good thing to me, so why isn't almost all wire
pre- tinned?

Is cost really so different?  

Does the tinning-coating replace where copper would have
been in the overall wire and tinning is of higher reistence?

Is flexibility affected?

I guess they assume you do not need to cut it to length. It
probably solders easier or stay in a pinch connector better.

  Cinch type terminations is the proper term, Chocstraw
  retard.

  Also a soldered wire does NOT get retained better in such a
  connection.

  The solder "creeps" away and the connection becomes loose.

http://www.materialseducation.org/docs/new2007/15-Bunnell.pdf

http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/2004/creep.practical.pdf

Those references to CHILDREN'S experiments!!!

Children are not qualified engineers.

Is this a sign of desperation?

ARCHIMEDES' IS A DESPERATE CHILD WITH CRIMINAL TENDENCIES
THE SAD MELANCHOLIC OFF SPRING OF A CROSS BETWEEN HUMAN AND FAIRY TALE
TROLL I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HIS PARENTS WERE THINKINGAT THE TIME NOR DO
I THINK I WANT TO BUT THERE MUST BE A FILE A BOOK OR A FANTASY NOVEL
SOMEWHERE THAT EXPLAINS IT

I AM PROTEUS

 

[Howard Eisenhauer]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:54:38 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
howarde@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

:On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:14:40 +0100, Sandi <invalid@email.com> wrote:
:
:>Some insulated multistrnd copper wire is pre-tinned and a lot is
:>not.
:
:>What is the purpose of pre-tinned wire? As far as I can see the
:>advantage is that the copper core doesn't oxidise which means the
:>wire can be soldered or fixed to a terminate with only minimal
:>cleaning.
:
:>Sounds like a good thing to me, so why isn't almost all wire pre-
:>tinned?
:
:>Is cost really so different?
:
:>Does the tinning-coating replace where copper would have been in
:>the overall wire and tinning is of higher reistence?
:
:>Is flexibility affected?
:
:
:In the telecom industry the rule is "silver on silver". Back in the
:bad old days there could be problems with diss-simmilar metals
:corroding & creating noise on circuits both from rectification effects
:& from current punch-through across the junction when voltage was
:applied to the circuit, i.e. "going off-hook". In some cases
:"sealing" current was (& still is) applied on a constant basis to
:circuits that didn't require it for operation, just to keep junction
:corrosion from getting bothersome.
:
:Although not part of the original Bellcore standard I've actually
:speced tinned wire for T1 circuits going into areas I knew were going
:going to be climate controlled.
:
:H.
Ooops- typo, I meant to say I spec'd tinned wire for areas I knew

were *not* to be climate controlled.

More specificly DSX panels mounted outside in un-heated, not
particularly weatherproof, cabinets.

H.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:08:46 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:53:46 -0700, Mr. Haney
mrhaney@thebarattheendofthefarmroad.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:44:08 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

The dark tarnish seen on silver is silver sulphide ( Ag2S ) - which is an
insulator.

Hanley is just parroting one of the DUMBEST MYTHS floating around the
internet and swallowed whole by audiophools.



It has NOTHING to do with audio you retarded twit, and neither do I.

I never made ANY reference to audio EVER in ANY of my responses to
ANYONE.

I am referring to the days when I made RF chokes from Solid SPC wire.
And the prevalent use of it in military radios and other military gear. I
do not expect a dope like you to have a clue, being that you are from a
place that gets all its military gear from its allies.

---
What does that crap have to do with anything?

The point is that the tarnish found on silver, including the plating on
silver plated copper wire isn't, as you claimed, silver oxide, it's
silver sulfide.

Which makes you the dope, yes?

No, oxide/sulfide is not what makes DimBulb a dope.

Its the 40 + generations of inbreeding. His family tree is just a
rotting stump.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Mr. Haney]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Its the 40 + generations of inbreeding. His family tree is just a
rotting stump.

Sad that the history of Alzheimer's and senility that runs in your
family is also obviously taking your mind as well.

Well, maybe it's not so sad after all...

 

[UpGrade]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:52:53 -0700, Mr. Haney
<mrhaney@thebarattheendofthefarmroad.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Its the 40 + generations of inbreeding. His family tree is just a
rotting stump.


Sad that the history of Alzheimer's and senility that runs in your
family is also obviously taking your mind as well.

Well, maybe it's not so sad after all...

Soon enough, he'll catch up to Thompson.

 

[VWWall]

UpGrade wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:52:53 -0700, Mr. Haney
mrhaney@thebarattheendofthefarmroad.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Its the 40 + generations of inbreeding. His family tree is just a
rotting stump.

Sad that the history of Alzheimer's and senility that runs in your
family is also obviously taking your mind as well.

Well, maybe it's not so sad after all...


Soon enough, he'll catch up to Thompson.

UpGrade'ing Mr. Haney ought to be a cinch !

--
VWW

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

VWWall wrote:

UpGrade wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:52:53 -0700, Mr. Haney
mrhaney@thebarattheendofthefarmroad.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Its the 40 + generations of inbreeding. His family tree is just a
rotting stump.

Sad that the history of Alzheimer's and senility that runs in your
family is also obviously taking your mind as well.

Well, maybe it's not so sad after all...


Soon enough, he'll catch up to Thompson.

UpGrade'ing Mr. Haney ought to be a cinch !

--
VWW

Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

He is filtered because he never posts anything useful. He always
uses low grade insults that are barely on a third grade level, on his
few good days.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[msg]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

<snip>

Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

<snip>

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael

He is on Cox cable, which assigns a dynamic IP address to a cable
modem, The only way it changes is to disconnect the modem long enough
for it to be assigned to someone else. My dynamic IP address is on the
same fiber optic backbone and hasn't changed in three years, even after
days of the electric being out after a storm. All you have to do is
read the headers and writing style. He is a boring little troll, with
delusions of being human.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

On Apr 19, 2:02 pm, FatBytestard
<FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT), proteus...@gmail.com wrote:
ARCHIMEDES' IS A DESPERATE CHILD WITH CRIMINAL TENDENCIES
THE SAD MELANCHOLIC OFF SPRING OF A CROSS BETWEEN HUMAN AND FAIRY TALE
TROLL I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HIS PARENTS WERE THINKINGAT THE TIME NOR DO
I THINK I WANT TO BUT THERE MUST BE A FILE A BOOK OR A FANTASY NOVEL
SOMEWHERE THAT EXPLAINS IT

I AM PROTEUS

 Go back to your gay porn, Roy.

CLEAN MY PROBE CLOSET BOY

I AM NOT YOUR CRUSH ROY

I AM PROTEUS

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:26:44 -0500, msg <msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael

Yes and unless and until a crime has been committed, which it hasn't,
you can all fuck off and die.

 

On Apr 19, 11:05 am, Chris Street <n...@chris-street.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:54:58 -0400, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:10:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgee...@comcast.net>wrote:

Tarnish is silver sulphide. It is no oxide.
You don't understand what "oxidation" means.

Hmmm then Rust is actually Iron Sulfide?

I thought a high concentration of Sulfur had to be present for
sulfidation to occur.?????????????????????????????????

You all also seem to miss the 'ide' part of all this.  It may not be
"Silver Oxide"itself, but even the 'tarnish' that is based on grabbing
sulfur molecules out of the air, is still an oxidation process.

  Sulf-IDE

I hadn't missed that at all as I pointed out in the first post I made it
is a redox reaction. However oxidation products are not always oxides -
burn a jet of chlorine gas in a hydrogen atmopshere and chlorine is
reduced, hydrogen is oxidised, the oxidation product is hydrochloric
acid and no oxygen or oxide is to be found....-

The post to which I now devoutly wish I had left alone had referred to
Silver Oxide., and that's what I was trying to correct.

If there's a verb to use to refer specifically to turning an element
into its oxide, to eliminate confusion with the generalized oxidation
process, please let me know what it is

 

[Chris Street]

spamtrap1888@gmail.com wrote:

On Apr 19, 11:05 am, Chris Street <n...@chris-street.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:54:58 -0400, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:10:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgee...@comcast.net>wrote:
Tarnish is silver sulphide. It is no oxide.
You don't understand what "oxidation" means.
Hmmm then Rust is actually Iron Sulfide?
I thought a high concentration of Sulfur had to be present for
sulfidation to occur.?????????????????????????????????
You all also seem to miss the 'ide' part of all this. It may not be
"Silver Oxide"itself, but even the 'tarnish' that is based on grabbing
sulfur molecules out of the air, is still an oxidation process.
Sulf-IDE
I hadn't missed that at all as I pointed out in the first post I made it
is a redox reaction. However oxidation products are not always oxides -
burn a jet of chlorine gas in a hydrogen atmopshere and chlorine is
reduced, hydrogen is oxidised, the oxidation product is hydrochloric
acid and no oxygen or oxide is to be found....-

The post to which I now devoutly wish I had left alone had referred to
Silver Oxide., and that's what I was trying to correct.

If there's a verb to use to refer specifically to turning an element
into its oxide, to eliminate confusion with the generalized oxidation
process, please let me know what it is

Combustion is probably the closest you are going to get. Oxidation is
generally associated with a loss of electrons, you could even argue that
something like a lewis acid and base is a redox reaction...

 

[krw]

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:18:27 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:26:44 -0500, msg <msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael


Yes and unless and until a crime has been committed, which it hasn't,
you can all fuck off and die.

Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.

 

[Bob Larter]

J.A. Legris wrote:

On Apr 18, 6:09 pm, mick <not.h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:54:52 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

snip



Borderline? Bwahahahahahaha! You must be new around here ;-)
:-D
Nice one Jim...

--
Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!)
Web:http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

There's nothing particularly "borderline" about it - it's just a name.
The odd thing is that Phil probably falls
a little into every personality disorder category, but not completely
into any of them. I think they need a new one - Australian personality
disorder

Gee, thanks.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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