Which current gun licensing laws ?
Australia's
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked
one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole unless
you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples with
apples to a country like Canada which shares your culture and
values ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have
been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have probably
failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms ?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement with
the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and Military
in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan
and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify as the 8th
largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
Yep... because the people in those vehicles and aircraft aren't bullet
proof and sooner or later they do have to get out.
What good is your air force when all your pilots are dead?
What good is the best fighter in the world when someone pumps a few rounds
through the engine during takeoff?
Maybe get to the fuel and add a few adulterants to it that will eventually
destroy the engine using that fuel?
After all, the military and police are dependent upon a civilian
infrastructure for their needs from food to ammo. Without them all the
best geewhizz toys in the world won't keep them from defeat.
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
unless you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples
with apples to a country like Canada which shares your culture and
values ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not
have been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have probably
failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms ?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement
with the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and Military
in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan
and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify as the 8th
largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
Yep... because the people in those vehicles and aircraft aren't bullet
proof and sooner or later they do have to get out.
What good is your air force when all your pilots are dead?
What good is the best fighter in the world when someone pumps a few
rounds through the engine during takeoff?
Maybe get to the fuel and add a few adulterants to it that will
eventually destroy the engine using that fuel?
After all, the military and police are dependent upon a civilian
infrastructure for their needs from food to ammo. Without them all the
best geewhizz toys in the world won't keep them from defeat.
I think the armed forces given their experience may know about these
dangers
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
unless you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples
with apples to a country like Canada which shares your culture
and values ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not
have been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have
probably failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms
?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement
with the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and
Military in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin,
Michigan and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify
as the 8th largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
Yep... because the people in those vehicles and aircraft aren't bullet
proof and sooner or later they do have to get out.
What good is your air force when all your pilots are dead?
What good is the best fighter in the world when someone pumps a few
rounds through the engine during takeoff?
Maybe get to the fuel and add a few adulterants to it that will
eventually destroy the engine using that fuel?
After all, the military and police are dependent upon a civilian
infrastructure for their needs from food to ammo. Without them all the
best geewhizz toys in the world won't keep them from defeat.
I think the armed forces given their experience may know about these
dangers
Know about them?
Certainly
Able to do much about them?
That's really the problem, isn't it?
"..right to protection by carrying" ?
False argument again
It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with Australia or"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of it
here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked one
at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it shouldn't
matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another example of
the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the exceptions not
the norms
PROVE IT
Vermont has been that way since it was founded.
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outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun
us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of
it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked
one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another example
of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always results from
that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the exceptions
not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say that's not
right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA. I'll
discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your theory
and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it stands is
crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
LOL
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say that's
not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA. I'll
discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
It certainly does disprove the theory though.
Try again when you can come up with a theory that accounts for all the
known facts.
your may be correct and Americans are just homicidal maniacs who would
find other ways to kill each other at such a high rate without guns
That's probably the truest thing you've said yet.
See, it's not the presence of weapons that makes people kill.....but the
willingness to do so.
We need to address those with that willingness as a short term solution
and the causes of what produces that willingness as a long term solution.
IMO, a lot of our problem ties into the War on Drugs which fuels all
manner of violence in our society. From people committing violent crimes
to finance their 'fix' to dealers killing each other over 'turf' to drug
lords fighting with law enforcement to protect their 'product'.
I've seen statistics in the US that indicate that over 50% of all violent
crime (including homicide) involves illegal drugs and that some 90% of
violent criminals have detectable levels of illegal drugs in their system
when arrested.
A similar massive violence occurred with prohibition, and largely ended
with the repeal of prohibition.
Now don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no use for illegal drugs, and I
believe those that use them tend towards the stupid, but it does IMO do
much to create the elements necessary for much of our violent crime and
homicides.
We've been trying to control illegal drugs going on 60 years now without
success. Maybe it's time to consider doing something else instead?
unfortunately guns give a hands off and to a certain extent an impersonal
way of killing
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say that's
not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA. I'll
discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
It certainly does disprove the theory though.
Try again when you can come up with a theory that accounts for all
the known facts.
your may be correct and Americans are just homicidal maniacs who would
find other ways to kill each other at such a high rate without guns
That's probably the truest thing you've said yet.
See, it's not the presence of weapons that makes people kill.....but
the willingness to do so.
We need to address those with that willingness as a short term solution
and the causes of what produces that willingness as a long term
solution.
IMO, a lot of our problem ties into the War on Drugs which fuels all
manner of violence in our society. From people committing violent
crimes to finance their 'fix' to dealers killing each other over 'turf'
to drug lords fighting with law enforcement to protect their 'product'.
I've seen statistics in the US that indicate that over 50% of all
violent crime (including homicide) involves illegal drugs and that some
90% of violent criminals have detectable levels of illegal drugs in
their system when arrested.
A similar massive violence occurred with prohibition, and largely ended
with the repeal of prohibition.
Now don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no use for illegal drugs, and
I believe those that use them tend towards the stupid, but it does IMO
do much to create the elements necessary for much of our violent crime
and homicides.
We've been trying to control illegal drugs going on 60 years now
without success. Maybe it's time to consider doing something else
instead?
unfortunately guns give a hands off and to a certain extent an
impersonal way of killing
So do bombs, traps, crossbows, cars, and a multitude of other means.
If this is the extent of your opposition to the points I've made, then
perhaps I've made a slight difference.
IMO we need to focus our attention and energy on the actual problem and
causes of that problem and quit wasting time and resources trying to deal
with one means of instrumentality.
There is no way that the situation re guns in the US will be solved. The
killing will continue
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outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun
us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of
it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked
one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it shouldn't
matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another example
of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the exceptions
not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say that's not
right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA. I'll
discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Seems you wont be happy unless the country selected agrees with your
theories....
But isn't that cherry picking?
no I think choosing SA and Mexico is
And your cherry-picking of Canada and Australia and denying Mexico is OK ???
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say
that's not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA.
I'll discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
It certainly does disprove the theory though.
Try again when you can come up with a theory that accounts for all
the known facts.
your may be correct and Americans are just homicidal maniacs who
would find other ways to kill each other at such a high rate without
guns
That's probably the truest thing you've said yet.
See, it's not the presence of weapons that makes people kill.....but
the willingness to do so.
We need to address those with that willingness as a short term
solution and the causes of what produces that willingness as a long
term solution.
IMO, a lot of our problem ties into the War on Drugs which fuels all
manner of violence in our society. From people committing violent
crimes to finance their 'fix' to dealers killing each other over
'turf' to drug lords fighting with law enforcement to protect their
'product'.
I've seen statistics in the US that indicate that over 50% of all
violent crime (including homicide) involves illegal drugs and that
some 90% of violent criminals have detectable levels of illegal drugs
in their system when arrested.
A similar massive violence occurred with prohibition, and largely
ended with the repeal of prohibition.
Now don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no use for illegal drugs,
and I believe those that use them tend towards the stupid, but it
does IMO do much to create the elements necessary for much of our
violent crime and homicides.
We've been trying to control illegal drugs going on 60 years now
without success. Maybe it's time to consider doing something else
instead?
unfortunately guns give a hands off and to a certain extent an
impersonal way of killing
So do bombs, traps, crossbows, cars, and a multitude of other means.
If this is the extent of your opposition to the points I've made, then
perhaps I've made a slight difference.
IMO we need to focus our attention and energy on the actual problem and
causes of that problem and quit wasting time and resources trying to
deal with one means of instrumentality.
There is no way that the situation re guns in the US will be solved. The
killing will continue
Of course, because the situation with killing in the US isn't about the
guns.
I predict that even if somehow every gun on the planet were to disappear
and the knowledge of how to make guns was utterly eliminated....the
killing could continue basically unchanged....except for the means used.
I doubt it very much
And you think those people would be stupid enough to line up in formations"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com> wrote in message
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun
us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of
it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked
one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole unless
you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples with
apples to a country like Canada which shares your culture and values
ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have
been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have probably
failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms ?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement with
the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and Military
in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan
and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify as the 8th
largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
You really don't know shit..
??
So imagine what would happen if the guns came out
They may know about them, but since they rely on the local suppliers to"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
unless you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples
with apples to a country like Canada which shares your culture and
values ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not
have been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have probably
failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms ?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement
with the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and Military
in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan
and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify as the 8th
largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
Yep... because the people in those vehicles and aircraft aren't bullet
proof and sooner or later they do have to get out.
What good is your air force when all your pilots are dead?
What good is the best fighter in the world when someone pumps a few
rounds through the engine during takeoff?
Maybe get to the fuel and add a few adulterants to it that will
eventually destroy the engine using that fuel?
After all, the military and police are dependent upon a civilian
infrastructure for their needs from food to ammo. Without them all the
best geewhizz toys in the world won't keep them from defeat.
I think the armed forces given their experience may know about these
dangers
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
unless you consider the US that? Why don't you compare it
ap[ples with apples to a country like Canada which shares your
culture and values ecept for the gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not
have been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people were slaughtered by their own governments, would have
probably failed in the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria.
So do you have ANY evidence that people in Syria are free to own arms
?
Or have they recently armed themselves to finally resist the Assad
dictatorship after decades ?
Are you seriously suggesting that you could take on the goverement
with the weapons you're allowed
1) You really should stop using those smileys whenever you post
something stupid
It just confirms you're being stupid
2) Armed citizens outnumber BY FAR the number of Police and
Military in the US.
As a matter of fact, States like Minnesota, Wisconsin,
Michigan and Pennsylvania individually have enough hunters to qualify
as the 8th largest army in the world.
rifles against armoure vehicles and the Airforce WOW
Yep... because the people in those vehicles and aircraft aren't bullet
proof and sooner or later they do have to get out.
What good is your air force when all your pilots are dead?
What good is the best fighter in the world when someone pumps a few
rounds through the engine during takeoff?
Maybe get to the fuel and add a few adulterants to it that will
eventually destroy the engine using that fuel?
After all, the military and police are dependent upon a civilian
infrastructure for their needs from food to ammo. Without them all the
best geewhizz toys in the world won't keep them from defeat.
I think the armed forces given their experience may know about these
dangers
Know about them?
Certainly
Able to do much about them?
That's really the problem, isn't it?
given the weaponry on each side I know who I'd put my money on
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun
us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of
it
here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked
one
at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
unless
you
consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples with apples
to
a
country like Canada which shares your culture and values ecept for
the
gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not
have
been able to murder 21 million people"
And ?
Were it not for gun-control in ALL those countries where disarmed
people
were slaughtered by their own governments, would have probably failed
in
the attempt
doesn't seem to be working in Syria. Are you seriously suggesting that
you
could take on the goverement with the weapons you're allowed
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of it
here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by
gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry picked one
at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole unless you
consider the US that? Why don't you compare it ap[ples with apples to a
country like Canada which shares your culture and values ecept for the
gun laws
Nope?
I'd prefer apples with apples
Looks like your theory is wrong then.
no just compare it with your culurally alike northern neieghbour
Been done.
Go read:
The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy:
Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies
David B. Kopel
famous for "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have
been able to murder 21 million people"
I prefer his CANADIAN GUN CONTROL: SHOULD THE UNITED STATES LOOK NORTH
FOR A SOLUTION TO ITS FIREARMS PROBLEM?. Interesting conclusion it is not
only Canadian gun laws but that Americans are homicidal maniacs that
causes the differences
what a load of crap
that is specific as one can get