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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say
that's not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA.
I'll discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
It certainly does disprove the theory though.
Try again when you can come up with a theory that accounts for all
the known facts.
your may be correct and Americans are just homicidal maniacs who
would find other ways to kill each other at such a high rate without
guns
That's probably the truest thing you've said yet.
See, it's not the presence of weapons that makes people kill.....but
the willingness to do so.
We need to address those with that willingness as a short term
solution and the causes of what produces that willingness as a long
term solution.
IMO, a lot of our problem ties into the War on Drugs which fuels all
manner of violence in our society. From people committing violent
crimes to finance their 'fix' to dealers killing each other over
'turf' to drug lords fighting with law enforcement to protect their
'product'.
I've seen statistics in the US that indicate that over 50% of all
violent crime (including homicide) involves illegal drugs and that
some 90% of violent criminals have detectable levels of illegal drugs
in their system when arrested.
A similar massive violence occurred with prohibition, and largely
ended with the repeal of prohibition.
Now don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no use for illegal drugs,
and I believe those that use them tend towards the stupid, but it does
IMO do much to create the elements necessary for much of our violent
crime and homicides.
We've been trying to control illegal drugs going on 60 years now
without success. Maybe it's time to consider doing something else
instead?
unfortunately guns give a hands off and to a certain extent an
impersonal way of killing
So do bombs, traps, crossbows, cars, and a multitude of other means.
If this is the extent of your opposition to the points I've made, then
perhaps I've made a slight difference.
IMO we need to focus our attention and energy on the actual problem and
causes of that problem and quit wasting time and resources trying to
deal with one means of instrumentality.
There is no way that the situation re guns in the US will be solved. The
killing will continue
Of course, because the situation with killing in the US isn't about the
guns.
I predict that even if somehow every gun on the planet were to disappear
and the knowledge of how to make guns was utterly eliminated....the
killing could continue basically unchanged....except for the means used.