I'll stop there because that statement is BS
that is it
Certainly does and if you get some of the military on your side the"dechucka" <dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think the armed forces given their experience may know about
these
dangers
They may know about them, but since they rely on the local suppliers
to supply them, how long do you think they will last if the turn on
the very people they are supposed to protect ?
come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be able to
buy supplies
From whom?
How will they get it to where it is needed?
Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?
I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively lightly
lightly armed militia
Except what you fail to realize is that we don't have to. See the
government wouldn't know who is opposing them, and while those that are
identified would be quickly eliminated, that doesn't make up for the
continued loses by those still unknown.
We don't have to defend when no one is attacking, because they don't
know who to attack.
they may be a pain but if one looks at the IRA, the Basqes etc you may
only be that
Maybe, depends on the level of popular support, doesn't it?
except for the comparisons
no argument was put
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other First-World
countries with loose gun laws and low crime and homicide rates.
much much tighter than the US's
Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.
Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR
LESS Crime than AUSTRALIA
so
And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT
RIFLES + AMMO in their houses.
under strict controls unlike in the US
Not many US households have full auto assault rifles in them.
And NO ONE in the services has one issued to them to take home, that I
know of..
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting
from defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites
for all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say
that's not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA.
I'll discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
LOL
Not even smart enough to get that right.
It's ONE exception is ALL IT TAKES to DISprove the rule.
not in the real world i.e. all mammals give live birth except for
......
So you are claiming that gun control does not work "except for...
The problem with gun-control, is that there is an "except for", IN
EVERY CASE that has been presented, to invalidate the notion that
gun-control works...
except it does
Care to show any studies that present a causal effect of gun control
laws
on violent crime?
The Centers for Disease Control and the National
Academy of Science couldn't find one.
No I'll just stick with commparisons between as like as possible
countries
BULLSHIT
What exactly is specific about your cite?
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I think the armed forces given their experience may know about
these
dangers
They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will last if
the turn on the very people they are supposed to protect ?
come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be able to
buy supplies
From whom?
How will they get it to where it is needed?
Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?
I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively lightly
lightly armed militia
Except what you fail to realize is that we don't have to. See the
government wouldn't know who is opposing them, and while those that are
identified would be quickly eliminated, that doesn't make up for the
continued loses by those still unknown.
We don't have to defend when no one is attacking, because they don't
know who to attack.
they may be a pain but if one looks at the IRA, the Basqes etc you may
only be that
Maybe, depends on the level of popular support, doesn't it?
Certainly does and if you get some of the military on your side the
revolution may succeed
Which is nothing.
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I think the armed forces given their experience may know about
these
dangers
They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will last if
the turn on the very people they are supposed to protect ?
come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be able to
buy supplies
From whom?
How will they get it to where it is needed?
Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?
I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively lightly
lightly armed militia
LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that for
centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the Winter War.
Tell that to the Americans who did that to the Brits at the beginning
of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their revolutions.
do you want to go through the differences
Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.
there aren't any
Certain things.
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say
that's not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in SA.
I'll discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove your
theory and since you've accepted one that means your theory as it
stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
LOL
Not even smart enough to get that right.
It's ONE exception is ALL IT TAKES to DISprove the rule.
not in the real world i.e. all mammals give live birth except for
......
So you are claiming that gun control does not work "except for...
The problem with gun-control, is that there is an "except for", IN
EVERY CASE that has been presented, to invalidate the notion that
gun-control works...
except it does
NOPE !
You have yet to even GRASP the concept of CAUSATION vs correlation
All you have done so far is correlation
And that is NO PROOF at all
and you probably believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer
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The problems caused by having the population wandering around
outways the risks of an individual benefiting from defensive
gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all
of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer
You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other First-World
countries with loose gun laws and low crime and homicide rates.
much much tighter than the US's
Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.
Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR LESS
Crime than AUSTRALIA
so
You're clearly too fucking stupid to get it..
No big surprise.
And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT RIFLES
+ AMMO in their houses.
under strict controls unlike in the US
BULLSHIT
There are NO strict controls on militia members who have their MILITARY
ASSAULT RIFLES + AMMO in their closets AT HOME..
I gave you the cite please read it and learn something
Get back under your rock you stupid troll
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death
by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other First-World
countries with loose gun laws and low crime and homicide rates.
much much tighter than the US's
Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.
Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR
LESS Crime than AUSTRALIA
so
And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT
RIFLES + AMMO in their houses.
under strict controls unlike in the US
Not many US households have full auto assault rifles in them.
And NO ONE in the services has one issued to them to take home, that I
know of..
so?
fuck off stupid
Prove it, false weasel-boi
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting
from defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites
for all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a
cherry picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold
up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world
shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such
it shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick
the countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and
another example of the wonderfully low murder rates you
claim always results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
I see... First I pick a close neighbor of the US and you say
that's not right because I should pick a 1st world nation
So I pick a first world nation, and again you're unhappy.
no I am perfectly happy for you to discuss the situation in
SA. I'll discuss Aus, NZ, Canada, France, Germany etc etc
Go right ahead....one case is all that is needed to disprove
your theory and since you've accepted one that means your
theory as it stands is crap.
so one exception proves the rule does it?
LOL
Not even smart enough to get that right.
It's ONE exception is ALL IT TAKES to DISprove the rule.
not in the real world i.e. all mammals give live birth except for
......
So you are claiming that gun control does not work "except for...
The problem with gun-control, is that there is an "except for", IN
EVERY CASE that has been presented, to invalidate the notion that
gun-control works...
except it does
Care to show any studies that present a causal effect of gun control
laws on violent crime?
No I'll just stick with commparisons between as like as possible
countries
So Switzerland fails to be comparative in that sense.
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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us
Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.
----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.
US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death by gunshot
Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.
Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.
Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole
Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.
Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?
But since you want to use 1st world countries...
Then let's compare to South Africa then.
It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.
Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms
It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other
First-World countries with loose gun laws and low crime and
homicide rates.
much much tighter than the US's
Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.
Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR
LESS Crime than AUSTRALIA
so
And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT
RIFLES + AMMO in their houses.
under strict controls unlike in the US
Not many US households have full auto assault rifles in them.
And NO ONE in the services has one issued to them to take home, that I
know of..