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I think the armed forces given their experience may know about
these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will last
if the turn on the very people they are supposed to protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be able
to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively lightly
lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that for
centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the Winter
War.
Tell that to the Americans who did that to the Brits at the
beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts Canada
that is hilarious

Well it really doesn't take much to make an idiot laugh

Is that your experience in your own case?

Yes indeed
That has been my experience with idiots like you

 

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unfortunately guns give a hands off and to a certain extent an
impersonal way of killing

Another statement shows how ignorant you are
Most shootings can be summarized by the rule "3 shots, 3 yards, 3
seconds"
At 3 yards or less, shooting someone is neither "hands off" or
"impersonal".

a lot more hands off and impersonal than a stabbing or bludgeoning
someone and also more efficient

And naturally you speak from personal experience when you make this
claim ???

I've never stabbed or bludgeoned someone to death

So then why are you babbling about a subject in which you are
completely ignorant ?
Oh wait, that is true on just about any subject in your case

You've got to have actually done it to know that something is true?
What an idiotic comment


Certain things.
YES
Otherwise, you're like a nun counseling on male sexuality
Oh wait, that just about describes you blabbering about gun-control
effectiveness.

another logic breakdown on your part

Too bad you are unable to repudiate ANY of the facts that have been
provided so far

supply some and I'll repudiate them

Keep dancing shithead

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense, you
have effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

What a limped-dicked attempt to change the subject

that is what this part of the thread is discussing

hard to get to a gun and ammo that are locked away during an emergency
Apparently to moronic chuckleheads like you the solution is to ask the crim
to "wait a mo.., while I get my gun and ammo out, load up, and then am able
to defend myself".

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+2006+FIRST+0+N

Still not citing the specific laws.
You are weaseling (as usual)


I have


You have NOT
You just sent me to the NSW statutes page
You have NOT CITED the specific law.

that is it

What exactly is specific about your cite?

it is the law governing guns

Which specific law.

Another general answer will get you throw into the twit filter with the
others.

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense, you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one for
the stated purpose of self defense.

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country are so busy cutting hair and driving taxis!!

George Burns


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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the Winter
War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the Brits at the
beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious

Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have a tad
to do with the differences?

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense, you
have effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

What a limped-dicked attempt to change the subject

that is what this part of the thread is discussing


hard to get to a gun and ammo that are locked away during an emergency
Apparently to moronic chuckleheads like you the solution is to ask the
crim to "wait a mo.., while I get my gun and ammo out, load up, and then
am able to defend myself".

Your claim is incorrect as is your data on crime rates in Aus, cite given

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense, you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

 

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will last
if the turn on the very people they are supposed to protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be able
to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that for
centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the Winter
War.
Tell that to the Americans who did that to the Brits at the
beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious

Well it really doesn't take much to make an idiot laugh

Is that your experience in your own case?

Yes indeed

thankyou

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the Winter
War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the Brits at the
beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious


Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have a tad
to do with the differences?

I agree with you that there are differences but are you suggesting that
demographically the US is closer to Mexico than Canada?

 

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Too bad you are unable to repudiate ANY of the facts that have been
provided so far

supply some and I'll repudiate them

Keep dancing shithead

no facts?
>

 

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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us

Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.

----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.

US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death
by gunshot

Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.

Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.

Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole

Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.

Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?

But since you want to use 1st world countries...

Then let's compare to South Africa then.

It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.

Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms


It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other
First-World
countries with loose gun laws and low crime and homicide rates.

much much tighter than the US's

Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.

Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR
LESS Crime than AUSTRALIA

so

And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT
RIFLES + AMMO in their houses.

under strict controls unlike in the US



Not many US households have full auto assault rifles in them.


And NO ONE in the services has one issued to them to take home, that I
know of..

so?

Fuck off stupid

you've lost it haven't you?

Nope
But I have demonstrated you both stupid and ignorant

and you're now delusional

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I gave you the cite please read it and learn something


Actually, YOU DID NOT
You gave some second-hand opinion piece in a leftist rag

who cited the information, please read it and learn something


I read it and there was nothing to lean from that "opinion piece"

none so blind etc

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution states

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help much.

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the
Winter War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the
Brits at the beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their
revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious


Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have a
tad to do with the differences?

I agree with you that there are differences but are you suggesting
that demographically the US is closer to Mexico than Canada?

Many parts of it are. Most of the US doesn't have a heavy duty problem
with crime. Problem is that you only need to be a victim once to die.



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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership for
the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment addresses the
state militias (the national militia is addressed in ArtI(8)(16)) but
what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for the protection of
that right.


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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help much.

but not really needed in Aus and the consequences of "carry for protection"
laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in. Interestingly it is very
hard to find info on defensive gun use in the US, one figure put around is
2.5 million per year but the crimes that led to guns being drawn don't seem
to be reported to the authorities

 

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the
Winter War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the
Brits at the beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their
revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious


Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have a
tad to do with the differences?

I agree with you that there are differences but are you suggesting
that demographically the US is closer to Mexico than Canada?


Many parts of it are. Most of the US doesn't have a heavy duty problem
with crime. Problem is that you only need to be a victim once to die.

that is not true of being a victim in Aus