OT: Bush Thugs Rough Up Grieving Mother of KIA

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote
(in <0aual09h5tr5makj17iff0lbet08ip9hso@4ax.com&gt about 'triumph and
tragedy, almost', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

Are these the only two sites giving you this problem?

As far as I know, but I haven't checked all 1 000 000 000 sites.
Yet.(;-)

Do you see
that little "missing graphic" icon in the left column?

No.

Is the text
formatted in a column at the right or does it go across the whole
window?

Formatted right.

Whatever else you can think of.

Escalope de veau Normande. Yum! (;-)


Thanks for trying to help.
--
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[Winfield Hill]

Rene Tschaggelar wrote...

Whatever your HF is, yes, the mobile phones contain surface
mount components. You may have to verify the parameters for
your frequency band though. Eg a 100nF 1206 is good to 10MHz,
above which it becomes inductive.

10MHz sounds pretty poor the way you say it, but with your
0.1uF, another way of expressing it is to say the series
inductance is 2.5nH, which doesn't sound so bad. But it's
likely less than that, depending on the measurement path.


--
Thanks,
- Win

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[John Fields]

On 24 Sep 2004 22:43:54 -0700, sujeet.bhatte@gmail.com (The Geek In
You) wrote:

mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) wrote in message news:<cicgks$8e0$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>...
In article <a0c4f627.0409132321.45b30635@posting.google.com>,
Kumar Appaiah <kumar.appaiah@gmail.com> wrote:
I am a studentof Electronics Engineering, and I have to design a
counter as part of a basketball shot clock. However, I have not found
any information on the internet on how to go about making a counter
with a large display, which is to be fitted in a sports hall. Is such
a thing feasible? How do I go about designing the circuit?

Go to http://www.eem.com, sign up and do a search for
"Displays, Electromagnetic".

That should get you the manufacturers of the large "flip panel" displays,
where display elements, painted a bright color on one side and black on
the other are flipped back and forth. They come in both 7 segment and
dot matrix forms.

Some old catalog pages for F-P Electronics show a 7 segment display
66 centimeters high. Is that big enough?

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

To all you idiots who can do nothing but talk nonsense and not answer
the question, thats stupid.

And for you Kumar, you idiot , you dont deserve to be in IIT. You
deserve the sarcasm.

Now that I have touched all bases :-D The simplest design for a
Basketball counter is a LED display that is interfaced with a timer
circuit that uses a simple and ubiquitous IC555.

Go look it up buddy. Grab a manual for IC 555 by atmel and it shud
have that design. Its one of the most BASIC of all electronic designs.
U better memorize that.

Laters buds.

---
Hmmm... Seems to me like you've imbibed way too many Buds for way too
long.

--
John Fields

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:46:53 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <rq96l0hq9u3ff3obc3vof1d7bd1qu0qd8g@4ax.com&gt
about 'triumph and tragedy, almost', on Thu, 23 Sep 2004:
Here it is, converted to PDF:

http://members.rogers.com/speff/magnet.pdf

Thank you. It's downloading very slowly. But what I don't understand is
why I can't see the link on the web site. I don't think I've got
anything blocked that would cause that. Where on the page is the link
and what does it look like? The information could help with the other
problem I mentioned, which is much more important. There are about 1000
standard drafts that I can't download at present, and I need to review
at least 20% of them.

There's no web site there- it's just a few miscellaneous files in the
public_html directory. I left the default "under construction"
index.html file in there, which prevents browsing the directory.

I'm surprised it's slow- that file is only 176K.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<4154CAE8.7030501@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41540C83.4070904@nospam.com>...


A recently completed *scientific* survey by the The American Jewish
Committee results in Kerry:69, Bush:24 MoE +/-3% on the "who would you
vote for right now" question. These are *very* good results and
illustrate that *INFORMED* people give Kerry overwhelming support:
http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/PubSurveys.asp?did=1339

There is plenty of time for Kerry to attain the double digit lead he
deserves once people get past the cartoon presentation and dirty tricks
of that Texas mob and start thinking like mature, reasoning, and
responsible adults.


Now all you have to do is keep everybody but Jews from voting.

Nah- that's your party's tactic.


Oh, really? You've got to be joking, Mr. Bloggs:

The Oregon Supreme Court ended Ralph Nader's presidential bid in the
state Wednesday, overturning a lower court ruling that directed
Secretary of State Bill Bradbury to list Nader as an independent
candidate on the Nov. 2 ballot.

In a unanimous opinion, the state's highest court ruled that Marion
County Circuit Judge Paul J. Lipscomb erred when he concluded that
Bradbury had exceeded his authority by disqualifying thousands of
otherwise valid voter signatures on Nader petitions because of dating
and signing errors by people who had circulated the petitions.

The Supreme Court ordered Lipscomb to withdraw the directive to put
Nader's name on the general election ballot.

The decision climaxed a roller coaster ride for Nader, who won 5
percent of the vote in Oregon in 2000 as the Green Party candidate.
Within the past month, Nader appeared to have gathered enough voter
signatures to qualify for the ballot, then was denied access to the
ballot by the state Elections Division and finally was ordered onto
the ballot by Lipscomb.

The key issue in the case centered on Bradbury's authority to void
entire sheets of otherwise valid signatures because of alleged errors
in dating and signing the sheets by the people who circulated the
petitions.

http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109594064689030.xml?oregonian?fpfp

BTW: The "rules" Bradbury (a Democrat up for reelection) used were
unwritten, essentially dreamed up by Bradbury himself.

Oregon in particular has been cited as a case where the Nader ballot
drive was organized and paid for by a major Republican PAC. See my
previous link to factcheck.org. You seem to be missing the point that
these cases are a balancing act between allowing people a choice and
preventing party splintering and the resulting political instability.
You might try to imagine what would happen if one over-funded party was
allowed to go into each state and create a plethora of local candidates
who talked the talk and walked the walk on all the so-called "hot
button" issues that are designed to weaken their *major* party
opponent's constituency. There is no bona fide purpose served here- the
local candidate is a ruse- he/she is a non-choice- 0% chance of
election- he/she serves only to *trick* people into throwing their votes
away which in effect adds to the voting count of the other *major* party
candidate paying for this deception. Your reading of the news is a bit
myopic- no sense of a larger picture. I am surprised that a "senior
research scientist IV" could be taken in by this.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <o84bl05jl3nlkv0lm4itsa7c23f70mg6l1@4ax.com&gt
about 'triumph and tragedy, almost', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

There's no web site there- it's just a few miscellaneous files in the
public_html directory. I left the default "under construction"
index.html file in there, which prevents browsing the directory.

I'm surprised it's slow- that file is only 176K.

Acrobat had actually crashed; silently, as it does sometimes when trying
to work with IE6.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Tom Seim <soar2morrow@yahoo.com>
wrote (in <6c71b322.0409250731.35e12a7f@posting.google.com&gt about 'OT:
Kerry Has 45 Pt Lead Among US Jews', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

Kerry makes the REAL JFK look like a (strong) Republican!

Real? Is there an imaginary one, then?

Tell you what; we'll take Kerry and you can have John 'Two Jags'
Prescott. How about that?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[James Meyer]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:17:57 +0000 (UTC), "Colin Dawson" <news@cjdawson.com>
wroth:

I've got a problem with the battery meter, in that as I turn stuff on, and
the amount of current drawn increases, the meter shows a voltage drop, and
since the difference between a full and empty battery reading is about 2V
(12V= full 10V = empty) this shows a significant drop on the readout.

Measure the current draw with a current sensor. Convert the sensed
current to an appropriate voltage and use the voltage to drive a small, toy
sized, motor with a gear train on its output. Attach pointers to a couple of
the gears and you will have an amp/hour readout similar to the gas or electric
meter on the side of your house. Reset your meter to zero before use, always
start your observing sessions with a fully charged battery, and Bob's yer uncle!

Jim

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:27:37 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar <none@none.net>
wrote:

Whatever your HF is, yes, the mobile phones contain surface
mount components. You may have to verify the parameters for
your frequency band though.
Eg a 100nF 1206 is good to 10MHz, above which it becomes
inductive.

And the corresponding L? Is the Q of those little buggers really up to
the job? You can't defy the laws of physics and I just can't see how
an inductor that physically small used at 10Mhz can be much use. :-/
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On 24 Sep 2004 22:10:47 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:


rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote in message news:<20040924172334.13148.00001460@mb-m28.aol.com>...

From: soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim)



Read it and WEEP!!



http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/23/electoral.map/index.html

Don't ask for whom the bell tolls.....

This bastard will send your kids to his pet wars just as fast as he will send
mine.

Rocky

Too late, mine have already gone.


What gets me is how many weenies we have in this world. I just
finished re-watching "Winds of War" and "War and Remembrance" now that
they're out on DVD (WW2 for those of you who are youth or historically
challenged).

More dead in some of the battles than we have **total** troops in
Iraq.

The "Remembrance" we need is how to kill efficiently.

...Jim Thompson

Was the Axis threat from Germany and Japan a hoax though?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Zenier <mzenier@eskimo.com>
wrote (in <cj46ta$906$1@eskinews.eskimo.com&gt about 'triumph and
tragedy, almost', on Fri, 24 Sep 2004:

I've run across more than one site that will send you a different
version of a web page depending on the identification that your browser
sends. And others where the script in the web page does a test, (after
you've downloaded it), as to what version is displayed.

You mean that I've been Czeched out and found unsatisfactory?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Colin Dawson <nospam@cjdawson.com>
wrote (in <cj47k6$ggc$1@titan.btinternet.com&gt about 'Battery level
tester.', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

The only problem that I've got is that the battery monitor circuit,
looks more like a sound level meter when the laptop's hard drive kicks
in. Also it doesn't give a good reading, when the battery is put under
load. This can be seen when I turn up the heater, as the battery
monitor level goes down. It's quite funny really, but it makes the
battery moniter useless.

Poor monitor! It's doing its proper job! You have been reported to the
Society for Protection of Innocent Circuits. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Larkin]

On 21 Sep 2004 20:25:23 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:

This discussion was about parties not behaving in a democratic manner, now you
want to make it about who is complaining? The Democrats are complaining because
their ox was gored (no pun intended) in 2000.


Well, at least you admit it, and I've got to give you credit for that.
Nader cost them the election in 2000 and the Dems will stop at nothing
to get him off the ballot this year, even at the clear risk of being
acused (accurately, in my opinion) of hypocrisy. It's just too bad
that the Florida Supreme Court, even loaded with Dems, doesn't agree
with you guys.

Remember Al Gore's mantra? "Every Vote Counts!"

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 25 Sep 2004 10:20:46 -0700, the renowned shoppa@trailing-edge.com
(Tim Shoppa) wrote:

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:<hmi9l0dqmrdpk5hl2lg2v7c839v7fuo0vm@4ax.com>...
On 24 Sep 2004 18:15:24 -0700, the renowned shoppa@trailing-edge.com
(Tim Shoppa) wrote:
What's the temperature sensor in these?

They use an inexpensive precision thermistor. The technology was
developed in Japan, in conjuction with an MCU company which developed
the original processor. Cheaper and better than an LM35, and they
don't require power supply regulation.

Is this thermistor available off-the-shelf or is the best way to get
one to buy a $5 digital thermometer and throw away the rest? (After
using "the rest" to get the calibration curve for the thermistor, of course!)

Tim.

If you need the packaging, probably to take one apart would be
easiest. Radio Shack used to sell a dipped through-hole version of the
part for a reasonable price (but not 1% or 2% accuracy). I have some
around that are 5% accuracy (about 1°C) without adjustment, 10K @25°C
and Beta of 3977+/-0.75%. You can have one if you'd like.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Joerg]

Hi Tony,

I don't use Autosketch, but know a man who does.
AFAIK his big problem is the difficulty with
importing/exporting dwgs to other dwg packages.


To me that is the biggest factor in deciding which software to use.

After all, what good does it do when you end up in some proprietary
format and no shop in the vicinity can read it to make your parts?

I wish some vendors of lower cost CAD programs would understand that. I
rather pay a little more to be more compatible.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Jim Yanik]

soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote in
news:6c71b322.0409242107.48769009@posting.google.com:

Let's start doing a little research, and document his crimes against
humanity, and bring him up on charges in the World Court. And Treason
against the Constitution of the United States.

There's no question, something has to be done.

Thanks,
Rich

Please, what Kerry did was over 30 years ago-let it go, man!

If someone committed treason,falsified documents,and lied to Congress 30
years ago,you would want that person to become President of the US today?
Or be a US Senator?

There's no statute of limitations on treason,either.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:53:59 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

The appropriate question is should they *be* President? For a moment
there I thought you were talking about Bush and the falsified WMD
intel-that he knowingly promulgated in his State of the Union address to
*CONGRESS*.

There's no law against lying to Congress. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin
attack? How many million people died for that lie?

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 25 Sep 2004 11:08:41 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

resolar@hotmail.com (Renante Solar) wrote in message news:<656cd645.0409240553.7bb434ae@posting.google.com>...
John Kerry has invented the ubiquitous JK flip-flop.

I miss the gaffs of Gore so I re-printed some of my favorites. And to
think how much they pick on Bush...

Does repeating lies make you feel better?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:32:58 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:53:59 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:


The appropriate question is should they *be* President? For a moment
there I thought you were talking about Bush and the falsified WMD
intel-that he knowingly promulgated in his State of the Union address to
*CONGRESS*.

There's no law against lying to Congress. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin
attack? How many million people died for that lie?

John

What about Title 18, US Code, Section 1001, or have they exempted
themselves (in typical fashion)?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Colin Dawson]

Hmmmmm.... 85Ah at 10A for a night, not nice. Look up depth of
dishcharge (DOD). You are going to ruin the battery very quickly at
this rate of discharge for a 85A battery.

A few links
http://www.varta-automotive.com/eng/index2.php?p=2&s=4&content=produkte/antrieb_beleuchtung/antrieb_beleuchtung.html
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo.htm
http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/pdfs/TechMan.pdf
from the last link
"Deep discharge or prolonged discharge leads to harmful sulfation."

Hi Martin.

Don't worry about that issue. I've not actually tested the ampage in real
life. I only said 10 amp, so that people would get the idea that there
could be a high current which drops the battery voltage.

If you want a more accurate measurement, this should be a little closer....

1. Telescope - 1.5 Amp when slewing, 500ma when tracking (it tracks for most
of the night)
2. Dew Heater - 4.5Amp when at full power but never need full power (it
normally rungs at 1amp, about 20% of full potential, thanks to the PWM
circuit, that controls the heater)
3. Laptop - no idea, but the battery monitor does drop alot when the hard
drive kicks in.

All in all, I can use the battery (it's not a "CAR" battery, it's a deep
cycle version that for use in caravans and boats) for several sessions, and
the chemical indicator still shows that the battery is in good condition.
And then 24h on trickle charge, puts it back into full condition. Trust
me, the battery is quite safe ;-)

The only problem that I've got is that the battery monitor circuit, looks
more like a sound level meter when the laptop's hard drive kicks in. Also
it doesn't give a good reading, when the battery is put under load. This
can be seen when I turn up the heater, as the battery monitor level goes
down. It's quite funny really, but it makes the battery moniter useless.

Regards

Colin Dawson
www.cjdawson.com