OT: Bush Thugs Rough Up Grieving Mother of KIA

[Robert Monsen]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On 25 Sep 2004 11:08:41 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:


resolar@hotmail.com (Renante Solar) wrote in message news:<656cd645.0409240553.7bb434ae@posting.google.com>...

John Kerry has invented the ubiquitous JK flip-flop.

I miss the gaffs of Gore so I re-printed some of my favorites. And to
think how much they pick on Bush...


Does repeating lies make you feel better?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm

Unfortunately, on the web, a lie is never eradicated. I'm guessing that
some right-wing webmaster decided to take these Quayle quotes and
atribute them to Gore during the 2000 election season, and its still
floating around rw circles. I'm suprised they haven't been attributed to
Kerry yet.

Regards,
Bob Monsen

 

[Chaos Master]

JeffM writes within:

Don't forget the Go-Back "feature".
They realized how screwed-up ME was and covered their asses.

Yes, I forgot this. Windows ME is totally broken, IMHO. Win 98 + IE 6.0 is
better.


[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don't think
that this is a coincidence." -- Anonymous
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" - Kurt Cobain
"F*** you, pal. " -- Amy Lee

"ERROR: ELF signals interfering with Token Ring network!"

The Evanescen(t/ce) HP: http://marreka.no-ip.com

 

[Rene Tschaggelar]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:27:37 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar <none@none.net
wrote:


Whatever your HF is, yes, the mobile phones contain surface
mount components. You may have to verify the parameters for
your frequency band though.
Eg a 100nF 1206 is good to 10MHz, above which it becomes
inductive.


And the corresponding L? Is the Q of those little buggers really up to
the job? You can't defy the laws of physics and I just can't see how
an inductor that physically small used at 10Mhz can be much use. :-/

As Win said, the inductivity is in the oder of 2.5nH, or 1nH per mm
of its length. All parts exhibit that inductive per length property.
Well, 1206 is rather big for nowadays standards.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net

 

[keith]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:05:13 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On 24 Sep 2004 17:18:53 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:

K does seem singularly inept. He keeps pushing his Vietnam heroism
(all four months of it!) despite the fact that most people simple
don't want to be bothered (if they don't remember Nam) or don't want
to be reminded (if they do.) And his Iraq failure-wishing isn't
winning him many friends, either. He's like a bad chess player who's
way behind in the game: every move makes things worse.

W may not be the brightest star in the heavens, but I think the theme
of this election will be

Anybody But Kerry.

John


Your take on things is right in line with Dick Morris'. Remember
Morris? He got Clinton elected; twice.

Tom


I like Dick Morris. He's one of the few Democratic columnists who's
not shrill and grim and angry.

Dick Morris is a shrewd political operator, now columnist. He's been a
Bush supporter since 9/11/01. In a recent column he made the jump from
"reluctant" to "enthusiastic" supporter.

--
Keith

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chaos Master <spammers.fuck@spam.c
om.INVALID> wrote (in <MPG.1bbfbd1c2d99fbd8989730@news.individual.net&gt
about 'Sill trying to get ME to install', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

"ERROR: ELF signals interfering with Token Ring network!"

Shouldn't that be:

"ERROR: ORC signals interfering with Tolkein ring network!'?

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Colin Dawson <nospam@cjdawson.com>
wrote (in <cj4ffi$90a$1@hercules.btinternet.com&gt about 'Battery level
tester.', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

I see your point. The battery monitor circuit is mounted into a plastic
box, it's connected to a little Fuse board circuit, which the other
devices are connected to.

So basically it goes, Battery down a 3 Meter cable to the "Fuse board".
Then in parrellel to the Battery monitor, Telescope, and Dew heater.
The battery monitor is in the same box as the Fuse board and the dew
heater controller. The heater controller feeds a 5 meter cable that
connects to the heating element. The telescope is connected to the Fuse
board via a 5 Meter cable as well. Something like this...

Battery --------> Fuse Board --> Battery Monitor
--> PWM (K8004) ------> Heating
Element
--------------------------> Telescope

It's as close as I can get it to the battery terminals without putting
the circuit on the battery (which I don't really want to do)

All these metres of cables are your problem. What sort of 'cable' is it?
I mean, the conductor diameter or area? You snipped my text about using
really THICK cables. You are getting even fewer volts at your heater and
telescope than you battery monitor measures, due to the extra 5 m of
cable in each circuit.

My thought on this is to place a kind of Ammeter into the circuit, that
will adjust the value of VR1, in accordance to the amount of current
drawn through the circuit. Changes in current would would effect this
part of the circuit, and continuously trim the battery meter, so that
the readout remains stable. (and hopefully correct)

No, all that would do is to alter the calibration of your 'voltmeter' so
that 10 V appeared to be 12 V. I don't think you would be satisfied with
that!

That's exactly what I was thinking of. It would be on a par with
putting a spring into a pully system to keep the tension constant.

Absolutely not on a par!

And ideas for how to do this?

You cannot be serious! I explain that it would MISLEAD you to thinking
that everything was OK and you had 12 V when you really only had 10 V,
and you ask how to do it????
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Hal Murray]

If you need the packaging, probably to take one apart would be
easiest. Radio Shack used to sell a dipped through-hole version of the
part for a reasonable price (but not 1% or 2% accuracy). I have some
around that are 5% accuracy (about 1°C) without adjustment, 10K @25°C
and Beta of 3977+/-0.75%. You can have one if you'd like.

If I start with a brand-X type thermister, how stable or
repeatable is it? If I go through a calibration dance,
what sort of accuracy can I get?

--
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my
other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited
commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses.
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

 

[Rene Tschaggelar]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

The responsivity of a good photodiode is on the order of 1A/W, depending
on wavelength--at 1.24 um, the energy of 1 photon is 1 eV, so 1W equals
1A of photocurrent if the quantum efficiency is 1.0. My 1 mW pulses at
1.55 um produce about 800 uA of peak photocurrent, because there's no
antireflection coating on the photodiode I'm using. There's definitely
some buried treasure in your setup.

Using a photodiode as an integrator for the pulse is usually a bad idea,
unless the pulse energy is small--the local carrier concentration goes
so high that all the carriers recombine before having a chance to
separate, and the response becomes very nonlinear.

A small integrating sphere is a much better method for stretching the
pulse out--you can get on the order of 50% photon efficiency if you're
careful, and the pulse will be stretched out to about 30*(sphere
diameter)/c, which can easily be several nanoseconds even with a very
small sphere.

I've seen people use silicon PDs with long-wavelength lasers e.g.
CO2--running them in forward bias, and detecting the change in forward
voltage with laser power, but that's the only way I know to get
sensitivities as low as you're reporting.

Thanks Phil,
I'll have a look into that. It is actually my customer that mounts the
diode and supplies the pulse. Till now I kept telling them that -40dBm
was a bit too low. As said, the laser pulses come with 100MHz and 3ps or
so pulse length. That gives 10W or so per pulse from 1mW average.
The diode is always much slower than the pulse with 3ps length.
The diode is specified to have a risetime of 1ns and however fast it is,
the 2mm coax is having some losses at these frequencies too.

Yes, there are faster diodes with 50GHz bandwidth. Beside that they are
much more sensitive to higher power levels, they are a hundred times
more expensive. So cost is a factor.

Rene

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 25 September 2004 01:20 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

Guy Macon wrote:
Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan@easystreet.com> says...

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

(Very useful background info snipped)

Imagine being asked to measure the exact point in time of a signal
and, at the same time, being asked to measure the exact frequency
of the same arbitrary signal. It simply wouldn't make any sense.

Can you measure these both so that they are each arbitrarily tiny
for the same signal? I don't think so. And it wouldn't make any
sense to ask.

You aint getting it. With all due respect, to Jonathan, although I am no
where near an expert in physics, it would seem that I am the most
formally qualified in this subject in this thread, so it would seem
*resonable* that I should have the best understanding.

I will even explain where the HUP is derived from.

Consider a random signal. It has a spectrum in the timme domain f(t),
i.e. a shape. Take the fourier transform of that signal g(w). The
transform has a spectrum, i.e. a shape.

Now calculate the standard deviation of f(t), sigma_t, and take the
standard deviation of g(w), sigma_f. It can be shown as a pure
mathematical resuult that for *any* f(t):

Kevin, you simply show here that your perceptions are skewed. Your
exposition of why Johathan Kirwan "aint[sic] getting it" is nothing
more than a restatement of his exact premise, except that you say
1/2, and he says 1, which is probably tomatoes/tomahtoes, as it were
- I don't know which, I don't have the math -

But this is the kind of thing I'm infamous for needling people about
to the point of harassment - saying "You're Wrong," and then showing
their stupidity by, well, either repeating the "wrong" thing as "right,"
just in different words, or, just plain being wrong. In your case,
it's type 1, although you're the first of those I've seen.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 25 September 2004 01:47 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

And subsequently, addresses the *prediction* of new positions and
momentums. This is the crux of QM.

Even if we knew the exact position and momentum, of a particle at a
point in time. Its new position and momentum at a later time can only be
predicted within the limits of HUP. That is, its position and momentum
will be within n.standards deviations with a probability. That is, the
new position and momentum is not directly causal to its prior position.
It is as if the universe has imparted a random background noise onto the
particle, which according to ZPE idea, is what is actually happening.

Ok, here's some more meat I can get my fangs into.

Would you care to speculate as to the mechanism whereby the "Universe
imparts" this "random background noise" onto the particle?

Suppose you _could_ determine, with arbitrary precision, the positions
and/or momenta of every single particle in the universe and the resulting
forces.

I bet the resultant vector of the sum total (or however in hell you're
supposed to say such a thing - average of the instantaneous positions?)
would look very much like random noise.

Which still doesn't address the free will/random question, which I suppose
belongs more in a philosophy group, but haven't people been saying for
some time that science is approaching the edges of what's knowable,
or something like that?

What if the next breakthrough in our understanding were something as
"big" as the Earth-around-the-Sun bit. Everybody "knew", right? But who
could have ever imagined anything as bizarre as Earth being a little
ball spinning through vast, empty spaces, and the sun a ball of fire
more than a million miles away! Ludicrous! Heresy!

Well, you get the idea, I hope.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 25 September 2004 01:20 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

I will quote it for the last
time:

Finally! Thank God! ;-)


;-)
;-)
;-)
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Friday 24 September 2004 03:40 pm, Mark Fergerson did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
On Friday 24 September 2004 08:16 am, Mark Fergerson did deign to grace

But I try not to, unless I'm playing tricks on people, usually.

Deliberately feigning stupidity in order to get a rise is different;
I had teachers who did that. Just when you thought you had them, they'd
whip out their full intellects. Bastards.

Heh, heh, heh. Sometimes, such a thing can be rationalized, if you're

troll-baiting.

And sometimes, being a little ignorant can really help extract information
like explanations. "Please make me understand", in sincerity. I guess that's
not feigning, is it? And, of course, in my book, it's the antithesis of
stupidity.

The only stupid question is the one you won't ask.

Unless, of course, it's in the FAQ. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:09:05 -0500, the renowned
hmurray@suespammers.org (Hal Murray) wrote:

If you need the packaging, probably to take one apart would be
easiest. Radio Shack used to sell a dipped through-hole version of the
part for a reasonable price (but not 1% or 2% accuracy). I have some
around that are 5% accuracy (about 1°C) without adjustment, 10K @25°C
and Beta of 3977+/-0.75%. You can have one if you'd like.

If I start with a brand-X type thermister, how stable or
repeatable is it?

Better read the specs. If you don't go too much above room
temperature/body temperature and don't get it wet, I'd think within a
tenth or two tenths degree C stability for an epoxy packaged unit.

If I go through a calibration dance, what sort of accuracy can I get?

You ought to be able to get very close near the points of calibration,
but in practice I think more than single-point calibration gets very
expensive. You can buy single high-precision thermistors from YSI and
others (for much higher prices than the consumer parts) or you could
use a platinum RTD, which has much better stability than a thermistor.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:05:09 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Vqj5d.24338$He1.12972@attbi_s01&gt
about 'If Gore invented the Internet, what about John Kerry?', on Sat,
25 Sep 2004:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On 25 Sep 2004 11:08:41 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:


resolar@hotmail.com (Renante Solar) wrote in message news:<656cd645.0409240553
.7bb434ae@posting.google.com>...

John Kerry has invented the ubiquitous JK flip-flop.

I miss the gaffs of Gore so I re-printed some of my favorites. And to
think how much they pick on Bush...


Does repeating lies make you feel better?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.htm


Unfortunately, on the web, a lie is never eradicated. I'm guessing that
some right-wing webmaster decided to take these Quayle quotes and
atribute them to Gore during the 2000 election season, and its still
floating around rw circles. I'm suprised they haven't been attributed to
Kerry yet.

I have irrefutable evidence that they were spoken by James Garfield.

Or maybe Garfield the cat.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Joerg]

Hi Paul,

Is it possible to get SM components suitable for HF?? I've built
several filters for that band and they all tend to be on the **large**
side.


For a few watts, maybe. But not for high power RF. There you need the

"door knob" caps or you'd hear a kaboom after extended exposure to RF.
There just is no big market for RF caps in the HF range.

What some folks do is parallel a whole lot of caps. That stretches your
mileage with SMT. But as to inductors it isn't likely going to buy much
because the little Panasonics and Sumida caps are either very small or
contain cores geared towards SMPS usage, generally below 1MHz. I have
always ended up rolling my own, on pot cores or preferably toroids.

Just as an example: Once I chose a cap on the skimpy side for a test.
Within less than 15 seconds that telltale hi-amp stench filled the room
and what used to be white ceramic was now green glass with bubbles in
there. Same with an inductor that already was a couple inches long.
Poof, and nothing of the winding was left. It taught me to wear safety
goggles during those experiments.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Chaos Master]

John Woodgate writes within:

"ERROR: ELF signals interfering with Token Ring network!"

Shouldn't that be:

"ERROR: ORC signals interfering with Tolkein ring network!'?

Exactly.

[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don't think
that this is a coincidence." -- Anonymous
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" - Kurt Cobain
"F*** you, pal. " -- Amy Lee

"ERROR: ELF signals interfering with Token Ring network!"

The Evanescen(t/ce) HP: http://marreka.no-ip.com

 

[Colin Dawson]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:3oAY8PBCiaVBFwyJ@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Colin Dawson <nospam@cjdawson.com
wrote (in <cj47k6$ggc$1@titan.btinternet.com&gt about 'Battery level
tester.', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

The only problem that I've got is that the battery monitor circuit,
looks more like a sound level meter when the laptop's hard drive kicks
in. Also it doesn't give a good reading, when the battery is put under
load. This can be seen when I turn up the heater, as the battery
monitor level goes down. It's quite funny really, but it makes the
battery moniter useless.

Poor monitor! It's doing its proper job! You have been reported to the
Society for Protection of Innocent Circuits. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

LOL. It's well looked after, got it's own box and everything.

Regards

Colin Dawson
www.cjdawson.com

 

[Rene Tschaggelar]

Hal Murray wrote:

If you need the packaging, probably to take one apart would be
easiest. Radio Shack used to sell a dipped through-hole version of the
part for a reasonable price (but not 1% or 2% accuracy). I have some
around that are 5% accuracy (about 1°C) without adjustment, 10K @25°C
and Beta of 3977+/-0.75%. You can have one if you'd like.


If I start with a brand-X type thermister, how stable or
repeatable is it? If I go through a calibration dance,
what sort of accuracy can I get?

stability is one thing, accuracy another.
With a bridge setup and a 20bit ADC you can get whatever
accuracy. The values may differ from part to part, but
the accuracy is there. What affects stability and repeatability ?
Provided the electronics has stable conditions and provides
stable conditions to the thermistor, there could be aging.

Manufacturing peltier controllers working with NTCs, we set
the temperature to the process and it just stays there.
Some physical processes would require retuning when it did
drift, but that was never the case. Downto 10mK resolution
at least. So I can claim 10mK absolute stability.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 20:54:32 +0000 (UTC), the renowned
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <0Fi5d.1395$JG2.711@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
Hi Tony,

I don't use Autosketch, but know a man who does.
AFAIK his big problem is the difficulty with
importing/exporting dwgs to other dwg packages.


To me that is the biggest factor in deciding which software to use.
After all, what good does it do when you end up in some proprietary
format and no shop in the vicinity can read it to make your parts?

I wish some vendors of lower cost CAD programs would understand that. I
rather pay a little more to be more compatible.

TurboCad writes DXFs that seem to be OK.

Its DWGs only work with some versions of Autocad. I guess thats normal
because the latest Autocad can't read very old DWG files.

Intellicad also writes DXFs as does Qcad.

Since both dxf and dwg are formats *defined* by Autodesk it seems a
bit strange that Autosketch would have incompatibility issues..




Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thursday 23 September 2004 07:19 am, Winfield Hill did deign to grace us
with the following:

Fred Bloggs wrote...

The feedback is meaningless- pathetic amount of cliches, superlatives,
exclamations, and emoticons. I won an auction from this bastard seller
who notified that any negative feedback about them will result in being
permanently barred from bidding with them again-

A common practise of unscrupulous sellers is to respond to negative
feedback against them by posting negative feedback against the buyer.

For example, I complained that someone completely failed to properly
package an expensive heavy instrument with a delicate panel, so it
arrived damaged, and they responded with a NEGATIVE against me saying
"the buyer showed poor judgement" (in giving them a negative mark).

For this reason these days negatives are rarely seen, if if so are
generally from cranks. As a result the eBay ratings system is nearly
useless, IMHO.

What if, in your negative feedback about the seller, you include

"retaliates."

Then when people look at the feedback received by that buyer from
that seller, they'd know. Of course, they'd have to bother to check.

Cheers!
Rich