Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache.  I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:52:50 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

Wind turbines, yes, why not?

Wind turbines don\'t provide district heating.

But senile assholes like you keep providing him with ever more fodder, you
troll-feeding senile shithead!

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-13 15:57, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

søndag den 13. november 2022 kl. 12.22.41 UTC+1 skrev The Natural Philosopher:
On 12/11/2022 22:42, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-12 22:48, Bob F wrote:
On 11/12/2022 12:06 PM, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 14:58:57 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd
not....@all.invalid> wrote:

On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

Power stations should be closer to houses.

If you have an unused swimming pool in the basement of your apartment
building, just throw in a small research reactor (100 kW to 1 MW) and
you have heating for the winter

I visited a swimming pool reactor on a field trip while in high
school. It was really something to stand on the side of this deep pool
of very clear water and see the glowing elements at the bottom, know
what it was causing the glow.

I\'m curious.

Do they have to add chemicals to the water, to keep it clear, no algae
or bacteria? Or simply the radiation keeps it \"clean\"?

It sounds like what he saw was a spent fuel pond.
The blue glow is Cherenkov radiation.
You can swim, but don\'t dive deep.

I don\'t think any bugs would survive it.
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2BDXKCY/nuclear-waste-storage-pool-2BDXKCY.jpg

https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

Nice one! Thanks for posting


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:19:17 -0000, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-11-08, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:24:17 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2022-11-07, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.

Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?

It\'s in the U.S.

To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.

Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?

I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:

https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf

The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.

I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/07v3z5hyg8zv4b1/20200812_181715.jpg?raw=1

Nice. I can see where a crowded city like SF would end up like that.
I live in an exurban \"neighborhood\" of 1- and 2-acre lots, carved
out from cornfields just after WWII.

The plan is to underground all the wiring here. Check back in a
hundred years or so.

You expect 100 years until the next earthquake?

Underground services get messed up in earthquakes.

In 2011 we lost phone, sewer, power, and water, (but ADSL kept working
somehow)

4 days in powerco stuck a containerised generator on the street until they could
replace the damaged HV link. (took a few weeks of weeks I think)

And overground pylons are somehowe immune to earthquakes? Anyway I\'m not stupid enough to live where the ground is unstable.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/11/2022 11:42, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache.  I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

Oh CO gives you a headache all right

I had a manifold gasket go in the motorhome. more than 2hrs driving it
was a splitter.

Never happened once I had it fixed


--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace.  Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to
the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.  It\'s
a waste.

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.
For heating a house 60°C or less is good. For hot water, 45°C is enough.
For a power station, you need to boil the water at elevated pressures.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:38:16 -0000, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-11-06, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:43:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-06 20:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:20:18 -0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 17:13:16 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 06/11/2022 15:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 09:43:37 -0000, <Wanderer@noplace.com> wrote:

Sure, but we would need to replace all electrical devices by the their
Thevenin Equivalent.

Seriously, All electrical device need to use a certain amount of
power. We often convert the mains voltages and currents to other
voltages and currents that devices can consume. There are probably
some power supplies that could use the lower voltages and frequencies
and get the same power. Some motors and clocks may run slower but some
would not work at all. If we still had incandescent light bulbs they
would be dimmer, the reason for the old term \'brown out\'. Most modern
devices would not work and might even be damaged.

So No.

A device getting damaged by not enough power is screaming of bad
design.

Not necessarily. We have a \"guaranteed\" minimum and maximum supply
voltage. Why should a company spend extra designing and installing
protection against supplies (not temporary aberrations) outside them?

Yes, all sorts of issues if a power company messes around with the
voltage and frequency. If a consumer wants to attempt saving money in
this way then the obvious thing to try would be a variac. It won\'t
change the frequency but does enable one to reduce the supply voltage
easily to whatever device you wish to reduce the power to.

Not the same thing at all. If you want to reduce usage, you turn things
down or off. If the whole country wants to do that over a short period
due to high demand, they can\'t very well phone everyone up and tell you
to delay your coffee for half an hour, they have to lower the voltage.

There is a type of electricity contract in which you accept the provider
will remotely switch off your heavy appliances to reduce power overall
for some time. In exchange, you pay less.

Is this available in the UK?

wikipedia says yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_management

My power company has never mentioned it and I\'ve looked through their tarrifs, but it\'s EDF which is French, and Wikipedia says France has discontinued such things.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:42:26 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

Wrong. A key indicator of a badly burning boiler is a headache.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:43:02 -0000, Peter <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 9:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/11/2022 12:37, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I checked. These stoves do not produce it, and the room has a little
forced ventilation anyway. Blue flame.

They come with a CO2 detector, though. If it triggers, the space is
not sufficiently ventilated, so the tiny amount of CO they might
produce does not build up.


https://www.leroymerlin.es/productos/calefaccion-y-climatizacion/estufas/estufas-de-gas/estufa-de-gas-de-llama-azul-equation-eco-de-4-2-kw-82273485.html

DOC: see page 5 (Spanish):

https://media.adeo.com/marketplace/LMES/82273485/2570508.pdf

No CO.

CO2 at a couple of percent might lead to shortage of breath, and be
pretty unpleasant.


I think in submarines the levels are routinely around 4-6%

CO2 simply suffocates you. I\'ve experienced that, briefly.

CO poisons you, but it gives you a headache first.


For CO the World Health Organisation reckon less than 10ppm long term.

That\'s 10 parts per million.

But it\'s your life.

And its my headache too.

Andy

Actually, the symptoms of CO poisoning is highly dependent on the
concentration of CO in the inhaled air. Relatively low but dangerous
concentrations will usually produce a headache and/or nausea as one of
the first symptoms. But extremely high levels can produce loss of
consciousness as the first symptom.

So does being clouted over the head with an axe, but you tend to avoid it.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:00:51 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-12 15:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:42:09 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 11:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/11/2022 10:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 02:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of
Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw
nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible
source of
spying and control.  Why would you be happy with this?  They can
turn
off your power at will!

Well, as I said, I no longer have to bother to open the door for the
meter man.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

There was no alternative. It was smart meter, or mandatory cut off.


They work really well here too. People are finding their smart meters
have moved them onto more expensive tarriffs without their knowledge.

That doesn\'t happen here. Someone called and the client said \"yes\".

And their true use - to cut people off when the load is too high -
seems
to be being revealed

No revelation here, we knew.

Their first step was to mandatorily insert a current limiter at the
entry box, with a lead seal for not tampering. But people tampered it,
with a \"jumper\". So the next move was smart meter with current limiter
included. End of customer fraud.

Digital things can be hacked.

If found one goes to prison.

If.  Do you trust your neighbour?

The electricity companies do their own checking.

And did the above folk you mention go to prison?  In the UK the
punishment for meter fraud is having to pay it back!

At least a fine, which is order of magnitude higher than paying it back.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/11/2022 11:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:19, Max Demian wrote:
On 08/11/2022 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:22:26 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:51, David Wade wrote:
On 07/11/2022 18:07, Sam E wrote:

[snip]

They don\'t use those for heaters, only motors.  Why would you
need it
for a resistive heater?

I have it on my heat pump.

Heat pumps are not resistive!  That would defeat the whole purpose.

Heat pumps don\'t work well at very low temperatures. IIRC, the
emergency heat is normally resistive.

[snip]

Air-2-Air heat pumps loose efficiency below about 4C but  modern ones
continue to provide some output down to -4c. None that I am aware of
have resistive heaters, but of course some folks will have separate
resistive heaters should the temp drop below -4.

IIRC all domestic heatpumps have resistive heaters, because its
necessary to bring DHW up to temp to kill germs.

What is DHW?  And whatever it is, why can\'t the heatpump do it?

Domestic Hot Water. Heat pumps don\'t heat it to a very high
temperature. Probably enough for a bath or shower, but some are afraid
of legionella and what not. I don\'t know how much danger there is in
domestic systems.

There is some danger, if the water is warm but not hot enough to kill
bacteria, but nice for bacteria growth. Domestic or not doesn\'t matter.

No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:25:18 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 13:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 13:40, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

And in the primary there can be leaks, and happen in your kids bedroom.

I think anyone who doesn\'t fix a primary leak will soon have a
depressurised inoperative boiler

More bacteria up your childrens\' bottoms....

Only if they use Bidets you posh twat.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-12 15:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:11:53 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 02:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible source of
spying and control.  Why would you be happy with this?  They can turn
off your power at will!

Well, as I said, I no longer have to bother to open the door for the
meter man.

You don\'t anyway, what was he going to do if you were out?

Put a paper card in the mailbox for me to read the meter and mail to
them.

And that\'s so difficult for you to do?  I read mine every 6 months,
takes me 1 minute.

At six months, I would be in trouble with the company, they would be
sending inspectors and asking the police.

If I don\'t, they charge me all the same, with an estimation that is
higher than reality.

Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it?  Switch off everything in your house, and use all
your LED lighting at once.  Add up what they should be using, and see
what the meter thinks.  There have been reports LED lighting is measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce.  And of course there\'s still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right from
the start.

There was no alternative. It was smart meter, or mandatory cut off.

Vote them out.

LOL.

The others would also mandate smart meters.

Then vote for the little parties.

LOL.

Not enough people would do.


Look, I am very happy with my smart meter and with everybody having them.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:20:31 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 15:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/11/2022 13:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 13:40, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

And in the primary there can be leaks, and happen in your kids bedroom.

I think anyone who doesn\'t fix a primary leak will soon have a
depressurised inoperative boiler

Normally.

Maybe that someone refills the circuit, not knowing where the slow leak
is. Happened to me.

Amazing people still heat their houses using water.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 03:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:43:50 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-12 11:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:34:41 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 20:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 13:43:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:


To much CO2 will lead to
unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not poisonous as
such,
so a
few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a person.

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly coming
from a nearby lake.  I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

Not only is it true, but i got close enough to it to realize how
easy it
would be, when on a school visit to a brewery I put my head below the
rim of a fermentation tank to smell the brew and got a lungful of
pure CO2.

To breathe in and have it feel like you haven\'t, is extremely scary.

But you noticed the problem and moved to somewhere with less of it,
unlike the morons that died.

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?


*I* have and I can absolutely understand it. I wouldn\'t have lasted more
than 15 seconds in a pure CO2 atmosphere and I knew it.

Every year or so someone dies in  a farm tank or fuel tank that hasn\'t
been ventilated.

See when you\'re having trouble breathing, move.

Yeah, sure.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 03:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:05:39 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-12 17:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:20:31 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 15:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/11/2022 13:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 13:40, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary
circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

And in the primary there can be leaks, and happen in your kids
bedroom.

I think anyone who doesn\'t fix a primary leak will soon have a
depressurised inoperative boiler

Normally.

Maybe that someone refills the circuit, not knowing where the slow leak
is. Happened to me.

Amazing people still heat their houses using water.

Pure physics. Not amazing at all.

No need to heat every room, just leave the doors open.

Most people in Spain use it.

Surely heating isn\'t required ion Spain.

Of course it is.

Don\'t you know Doctor Zhivago was filmed here, with all that snow?


You can be without in areas of the south of Spain, but in winter
everybody needs something.



--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 12:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:42:26 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go
wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache.  I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

Wrong.  A key indicator of a badly burning boiler is a headache.

Yes, it does, because of the CO2 and fumes it generates. Even if it is
burning correctly.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 11/11/2022 11:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I checked. These stoves do not produce it, and the room has a little
forced ventilation anyway. Blue flame.

They come with a CO2 detector, though. If it triggers, the space is not
sufficiently ventilated, so the tiny amount of CO they might produce
does not build up.


https://www.leroymerlin.es/productos/calefaccion-y-climatizacion/estufas/estufas-de-gas/estufa-de-gas-de-llama-azul-equation-eco-de-4-2-kw-82273485.html

DOC: see page 5 (Spanish):

https://media.adeo.com/marketplace/LMES/82273485/2570508.pdf

No CO.

CO2 at a couple of percent might lead to shortage of breath, and be
pretty unpleasant.

For CO the World Health Organisation reckon less than 10ppm long term.

That\'s 10 parts per million.

But it\'s your life.

Andy

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:29:14 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, like I said. The turbines

Admit it: You TYPICAL dumb senile ASSHOLE are THANKFUL that a troll keeps
trolling and baiting you with his retarded \"questions\" so that you can
answer them and forget for a while about your old-age misery! LOL

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

Andy