Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

[Peeler]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 17:20:16 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Can you remember all their names? I can barely remember my kids\'
names.

Can\'t you even TRY to hide what a trolling piece of senile shit you are, you
bumpkin?

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 18:47:04 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> Just two girls.

Do they KNOW what a useless senile shithead and troll you are, you miserable
bullshit artist?

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:20:49 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> Washing with soap

He doesn\'t use soap nor does the unwashed wanker have any hot running water,
and that\'s the reason why you can\'t resist him, you dumb demented senile
sucker of troll cock!

 

[Peeler]

\"Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing \"the big, hard
man\" on the InterNet.\"
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

--
David Plowman about senile Rodent Speed\'s trolling:
\"Wodney is doing a lot of morphing these days. Must be even more desperate
than usual for attention.\"
MID: <59a60da1d9dave@davenoise.co.uk>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:12:30 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
trolling and troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> They are smart and cute, so they must be mine.

You sure got a knack for sucking off ANY filthy trolling piece shit that
comes hopping along, eh, you demented senile notorious sucker of troll cock?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:20:49 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 13:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:43:32 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 11/11/2022 13:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:19:09 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:

What is DHW? And whatever it is, why can\'t the heatpump do it?

Domestic Hot Water. Heat pumps don\'t heat it to a very high
temperature.
Probably enough for a bath or shower, but some are afraid of legionella
and what not. I don\'t know how much danger there is in domestic
systems.

I don\'t have hot water. The shower is electric and so are the washing
machine and dishwasher.

What about hand washing

Why would that need hot water? I\'ve always used the cold tap, even when
a hot one is available. Why wait for the heat to get through the pipe?
Soap dissolves at any temperature.

Washing with soap is a chemical reaction,

You\'re thinking of detergent. Soap is just a wetting agent.

which is speeded up with
higher temperatures (though not applicable if you use liquid soap).
Anyway, warm water is \"nicer\".

Are you a girl?

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:28:07 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed:
\"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage.\"
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 14:32:17 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?

Did you STILL not get what this here is all about, you dumb troll-feeding
senile spick? LOL

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:32:55 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
\"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole.\"
Message-ID: <pu07vj$s5$2@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 13:00:33 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 06:38:16 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts, another brain dead,
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

wikipedia says yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_management

Another demented troll-feeding senile asshole who doesn\'t get what\'s going
on in this thread. <tsk>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 07:06:03 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts, another mentally
handicapped, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:

What language are you speaking in that last sentence?

\"ed\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(text_editor)
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/writing-style.html
(find s/ on that page)

The troll asks a question, and this troll-feeding senile asshole instantly
delivers! LOL WTF is wrong with all you senile assholes? Ah, well, you are
senile!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:43:15 -0000, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 14:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/11/2022 12:40, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

Andy
Not in the hot water CIRCUIT, but in the hot water TANK in an indirectly
heated system

My typo. Oh well, you knew what I meant!

Surely bacteria in the room at room temperature would be just as bad?

 

[Max Demian]

On 12/11/2022 15:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:13:10 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 12/11/2022 14:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:
On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

Power stations should be closer to houses.

Do you want to live in the shadow of a power station?

Wind turbines, yes, why not?

Wind turbines don\'t provide district heating.

--
Max Demian

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-09 02:16, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 05:02:18 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 16:29:12 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:10 -0500, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
Why are Americans so terminally stupid?

Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than 240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in your
house?

The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.

The rest of the world, however, has verbs.

The plugs in the UK are about as big as a cat.

Only the cat\'s head.

What do brits do about wall warts? They must be gigantic.

The little USB things are adorable.

https://tinyurl.com/5djjhy82

Can\'t open. Blocked site.


uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading:

https://redirect.viglink.com/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.belkin.com%2Fon%2Fdemandware.static%2F-%2FSites-master-product-catalog-blk%2Fdefault%2Fdw36f89a6f%2Fimages%2Fhi-res%2F9%2F105733433_WCA001_DQ_BoostCharge_USB-A_WallCharger_18W_FPK_WEB.png&key=a7e37b5f6ff1de9cb410158b1013e54a&prodOvrd=RAC&opt=false

Because of the following filter:

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Found in: Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-09 08:07, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 15:03:08 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors?

In my country house I currently have only one pump, which require
three phases.

That can be done with single phase power and a three phase inverter
(single phase input, three phase output). I don\'t know the current price
of that, though.

Typically the single phase 230 V input inverter has 127/220 V three
phase output. The 230/400 V motors are much more common.

Ah, yes. That needs a more expensive inverter.

The other alterative is to use 3 capacitors to generate the phases
from single phase,, but the output power is severely reduced.

Ugh.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-09 01:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace.  Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.  It\'s
a waste.

Even if it is a waste, it can be cheaper to use. However, they are very
difficult to find here.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-09 01:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:09:05 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 01:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:20:33 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-08 00:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:56:41 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:44:28 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 00:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
An electric cooker is 8kW.

Mine is 1.8 Kw, induction. Very fast.

Induction doesn\'t make it more than 100% efficient.

You are badly informed

Only a heatpump can give you more out than you put in.  Just think
about
it.

Does everyone in
your country have cold food and cold showers or use gas?

Nope, nope, and maybe.

Sissies, sissies, and I thought the EU was banning gas?

We have so much gas that we have to tell gas ships to wait for
days to
be unloaded while we burn some gas to make free space to get more
gas :-D

Not what I heard - refusing to buy from Russia and Russia refusing to
sell it, etc.

We never bought it from Russia, anyway. Just a testimonial 5% or so.

Are you telling me the media used hype, exaggeration, and possibly even
downright lies?

so what is the current shortage about then?

In Spain? I\'m not aware of any.

Well, there is a shortage of electronics, so the car industry is
stalling. But that is not specific of Spain. There are other similar
shortages.

Gas? No shortage at all, we have more than we can use. Expensive, yes.
But no pipes to send that gas up to Germany, apparently France opposes.

You have heard of the war with Russia, right?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-rolls-out-plan-cut-russia-gas-dependency-this-year-end-it-within-decade-2022-03-08/

Yeah, so what?

The infrastructures are what they are, for whatever reasons. Spain has a
huge capacity to take gas, either from Argel or by tanker ships, but
basically no interconnecting pipes to the north to send it there. So now
we have stored gas enough to last the winter and more.

A pipe is going to be built, to Marseilles, after an agreement between
Portugal, Spain, and France. But that will take years to be operational.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 10/11/2022 21:58, Vir Campestris wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

Andy

My late mother relates a story from presumably the 1920s, in which she
and her sister and young brother were playing in a room with a paraffin
heater.
In the sort of trust in adults displayed by BBC audiences,, the ideas
that she couldn\'t see in front of her for black smoke, and was coughing,
didn\'t seem to create any alarm whatsoever until her father rushed in
and opened all the windows and dragged the children out.


--
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-09 01:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:14:00 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 03:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:22:02 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 00:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:57:25 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 02:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:45:14 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 00:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:45:03 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:06:29 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-06 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Do you really want a meter which can overread by
a factor of 5, in particular on eco-stuff like
LED lights!

Where do you get that idea?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4288180/Smart-meters-readings-SEVEN-times-high.html


\"smart meters can give readings that are SEVEN times too high
because dimmer switches and LED bulbs confuse the
devices Smart meters can be confused by modern dimmer
switches and LED bulbs Meters come up with readings
that are 582 per cent higher than they should be It
comes after an SSE had to apologise to customers
earlier this week after malfunctioning smart meters
handed them bills for as much as £44,000 a day The
Government wants them installed in all 26million
homes by 2020\"

That last line, ROFL!  It\'s now 2022 and only half of
us have one.


Well, no such thing here. This is a modern country :-D

Didn\'t you recently have a terrible poverty?  About a
decade ago?

Nope.

Spain, right?  I watched a Top Gear episode about 10 years
ago which showed completely empty areas of Spain where you\'d
all moved out.

LOL.

Are you telling me that never happened?

Never heard of it.

Ah, this was it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–2014_Spanish_financial_crisis

Ah, that.

But that was not a \"terrible poverty\".

Maybe Clarkson exaggerated, but they filmed a huge city block completely
empty \"because of the poverty\" which they proceeded to race cars around.

I guess he got it wrong. There are city blocks empty because they built
a lot of houses that could not be sold when the bubble exploded, not
because of poverty.

Some builders had built new villages, that they could not sell. Some are
unfinished.

Many people in Spain \"store their money in bricks\", ie, buy houses as an
investment. Obviously when the bubble exploded, they stopped buying.

Then, the people working for the building spree were out of job, and
they could no longer pay their mortgage on their expensive homes and
lost them. Many had bought bigger and more expensive homes that would be
normal, because they were, temporarily, making a lot of money.

Generalized poverty? No way. A crisis, many people broken? yes.


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw nothing in
media about them being faulty.



--
Cheers, Carlos.