Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

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On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 20:18:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:27:02 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Seems unlikely to me, but... you CAN just take a shower.

Maybe a short shower in cold recycled wastewater.
 
On 22/11/2022 12:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:47:05 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/11/2022 02:26, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:13:18 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.

That\'s all right. It is the \"dark continent\".

They need lighting even more to see the darker skin in low light.

We don\'t need to see their skin. Just the whites of their eyes.

--
Max Demian
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:55:58 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 22/11/2022 12:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:47:05 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/11/2022 02:26, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:13:18 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.

That\'s all right. It is the \"dark continent\".

They need lighting even more to see the darker skin in low light.

We don\'t need to see their skin. Just the whites of their eyes.

They reflect the car headlamps well just before they don\'t.
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:46:10 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-22 13:53, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 22. november 2022 kl. 13.19.41 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:41:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-22 09:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using,
and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste
(economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you,
thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to
encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in
realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you
the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at
certain times of day. You\'re spreading their load for them at your
expense/hassle.

We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.
Then what excuse do they have for charging you more at peak time?

the generating capacity to cover peaks are expensive gasturbines etc. that only get fired up when needed

You can also look at it not as peak price being more, but as valley
price being less.

Must be such a pest having to plan your usage throughout the day. Now if you had enough of the cheap sources....
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:55:58 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> We don\'t need to see their skin. Just the whites of their eyes.

And the idiocy continues ...just because of a few absolutely idiotic
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLES that infest these groups!
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:30:27 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 22:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:49:59 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 14:51:23 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:11:53 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 02:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of
Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw
nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible
source of
spying and control. Why would you be happy with this? They can
turn
off your power at will!

Well, as I said, I no longer have to bother to open the door for the
meter man.

You don\'t anyway, what was he going to do if you were out?

Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

Water used to be unmetered at our cabin, but then they installed smart
meters. I got an email from TDPUD that they suspected a leak, based on
the usage pattern. They sent me graphs and we saw a constant low-level
flow when nobody was there. It was a leaking shutoff+drain valve.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnq4lzds3ku5nko/Truckee_Leak.jpg?raw=1

The big plateau was the leak.

Realtime metering catches stuff like that.

Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

and sometimes you do not see it.

If you do not see it then it isn\'t very big.

Think that way, and you will not care about paying double the normal
bill in water.

If you can\'t notice a leak the size of your water consumption, you need your eyes tested.
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:24:27 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 22:56:32 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

[\"Followup-To:\" header set to alt.home.repair.]
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

The UK offers unmetered service for circa UKP30-40/month. That\'s rare
in most other parts of the world which as you note have limited
supplies of fresh potable water.

We have plenty of water from the Great Lakes.

\"Flint\"

They had plenty of water. They also had other problems.

Lead pipes. Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew that lead is
poisonous.

For fuck\'s sake just call it AD and BC like everyone else.
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 20:12:27 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

The UK offers unmetered service for circa UKP30-40/month.

I pay £20 a month in the UK including sewage. The metered service would cost more than that even if I use zero water!

That\'s rare
in most other parts of the world which as you note have limited
supplies of fresh potable water.

Then people shouldn\'t be living there.

> Most of the American west is in serious or extreme drought conditions.

My heart bleeds.
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 21:56:33 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

The UK offers unmetered service for circa UKP30-40/month. That\'s rare
in most other parts of the world which as you note have limited
supplies of fresh potable water.

We have plenty of water from the Great Lakes. My water is metered
anyway. We pay for what we use; we\'re not communists.

If something is plentiful, there\'s no need to meter it.

Manufacture of
potable water costs money to treat the incoming water and outgoing
sewage. Like any other manufacturing cost, it\'s passed along to the
consumer.

It\'s so little it\'s cheaper not to meter it. As I said in another post, in the UK it would cost me more if I elected to have a meter.
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:24:27 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 22:56:32 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

[\"Followup-To:\" header set to alt.home.repair.]
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

The UK offers unmetered service for circa UKP30-40/month. That\'s rare
in most other parts of the world which as you note have limited
supplies of fresh potable water.

We have plenty of water from the Great Lakes.

\"Flint\"

They had plenty of water. They also had other problems.

Lead pipes. Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew ***that*** lead is
poisonous.

What is the (modern?) obsession wit the word \"that\"? Your sentence means precisely the same as \"Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew lead is poisonous.\"
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 03:57:31 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/16/2022 6:24 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 22:56:32 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

[\"Followup-To:\" header set to alt.home.repair.]
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2022-11-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2022-11-16 15:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:47:36 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Leaking water I don\'t care about, it\'s free, if it\'s big enough I see
water.

Not free here,

What an absurd place to choose to live.

I did not choose.

It derives from simply having little water in the country.

The UK offers unmetered service for circa UKP30-40/month. That\'s rare
in most other parts of the world which as you note have limited
supplies of fresh potable water.

We have plenty of water from the Great Lakes.

\"Flint\"

They had plenty of water. They also had other problems.

Lead pipes. Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew that lead is
poisonous.

And political decisions from GOP politicians and appointees ignoring
safety considerations.

Why do you need so many names for each party? I\'m fed up of googling each one.

And safety is for girls.
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:21:09 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/17/2022 9:54 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
[snip]

\"Flint\"

They had plenty of water. They also had other problems.

Lead pipes. Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew that lead is
poisonous.

IIRC, there was also a problem at the treatment plant, that made the
lead pipe problem worse.


\"two former emergency managers in Flint, Mich., were criminally charged
Tuesday with multiple felonies for their role in the city’s water
crisis. The charges are the most significant so far in the state’s
ongoing investigation into Flint’s lead-tainted water.

On Tuesday, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette charged Darnell
Earley and Gerald Ambrose with false pretenses for allowing the city’s
water treatment plant to operate even though it was not ready to
properly treat the water from the Flint River, which resulted in
lead-contaminated water being piped into residents’ homes. They are also
accused of misusing funds in connection with the now-disgraced plan to
use Flint River as a source of drinking water while building a new
pipeline to Lake Huron. Earley and Ambrose allegedly lied to Michigan
Treasury Department officials about millions of dollars they spent on
the new pipeline, saying the money was for a separate environmental
clean-up project, the attorney general said.

The former officials, who are also charged with misconduct in office,
face maximum sentences of 46 years in prison. In a news conference
Tuesday, Schuette said that the charges “reach a higher level of
responsibility” than previous ones involving the city’s ongoing water
crisis.\"

What is it with your blame society?
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:08:48 -0000, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:54:27 -0600, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

[snip]

\"Flint\"

They had plenty of water. They also had other problems.

Lead pipes. Even the pre-CE Greeks and Romans knew that lead is
poisonous.

IIRC, there was also a problem at the treatment plant, that made the
lead pipe problem worse.
They changed the pH of the water, which stripped the hardwater scale
off the lead pipes and leached the lead into the water. The pH was
historically on the high side -and the lead levels were in the safe
range due to thelime or calcium deposits sealing the pipes. Whenthe pH
was lowered all that coaitng disolved - and lead got into the water
supply

The problem is the lead, not the pH.
 

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