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On 10/11/2022 21:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.
Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.
My late mother relates a story from presumably the 1920s, in which she
and her sister and young brother were playing in a room with a paraffin
heater.
In the sort of trust in adults displayed by BBC audiences,, the ideas
that she couldn\'t see in front of her for black smoke, and was coughing,
didn\'t seem to create any alarm whatsoever until her father rushed in
and opened all the windows and dragged the children out.
People still use that? My parents use a dish and I use the internet.
And you would have thought they would have made an effort to make a
worldwide standard when they went digital.
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:19:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Not for TV broadcast over the air (Digital terrestrial television)
On 2022-11-08 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Surely now we\'re digital the standards are the same?
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 18:04:21 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
(top posted for Brian)
I\'ve got a bunch of devices intended for the US market which will
run on
100-250 volts. The recent one I have which won\'t run on 100 is the TV.
Which won\'t work in the US anyway because the standards are different.
Andy
On 07/11/2022 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
If the switch mode supplies are designed with the right
disidisipation, I
see no reason why anything from 110v ac 60 hz and 250v ac 50 hz not
to be
possible. I\'m sure Samsung TVs can do this, or at least most of them
can.
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.
Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.
On 08/11/2022 20:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-08 15:54, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2022 14:16, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 09:24:41 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
We absolutely *DO* need bulk storage - especially since so much of
our winter electricity is generated from burning the stuff! A
majority of UK homes are also heated by gas boilers so it is a double
whammy.
The days of dirt cheap and plentiful North Sea gas are long gone.
What happened to it, is it spent already?
All the easy to get at stuff has long since been depleted. North sea is
deep and most of the remaining gas reserves are prohibitively expensive
to get at. (although recent price hikes may have changed that)
Output has been declining since the peak in 2000. eg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10F88/production/_124721596_nsta-oil-production-nc.jpg.webp
UK North Sea oil output peaked slightly earlier.
Rough gas storage facility uses some of the empty salt domes.
Good while it lasted but UK gas production and consumption crossed over
in 2004 - ever since then we have been a net importer of natural gas. It
was fine whilst there was plentiful Russian gas for the mainland but now
it is very much a sellers market with insane price spikes possible.
Not having any storage means that we will have to pay whatever it takes
to keep the lights on this winter. The campaign to save energy in the UK
remains very lacklustre when compared to the 1970\'s OPEC induced oil
crisis which had a very high profile \"Save It\" campaign slogan.
On 11/10/2022 10:44 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.
It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there
but it freezes instead.
This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.
It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.
No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every
few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three
hours. I can live with it.
No, it\'s because the ice is keeping the cold air from the freezer from
getting to the refer section.
On 2022-11-10 19:44, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.
It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there
but it freezes instead.
This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.
It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.
No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every
few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three
hours. I can live with it.
Not when there is ice in the evaporator surface. It is not a problem
with the thermostat at all.
On 12/11/2022 15:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:13:10 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 12/11/2022 14:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:
On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:
[snip]
I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.
Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .
and in transmission lines.
Power stations should be closer to houses.
Do you want to live in the shadow of a power station?
Wind turbines, yes, why not?
Wind turbines don\'t provide district heating.
Even if it is a waste, it can be cheaper to use. However, they are very
difficult to find here.
On 11/10/2022 4:07 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:50:43 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 23:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:46:03 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 19:49, Bob F wrote:
On 11/6/2022 9:53 AM, Max Demian wrote:
Actually my fridge freezer might as well not have one as it rarely
turns off. Ice forms inside the fridge part and you can just about
freeze vodka in an ice cube tray so it must be about -25C.
Have you considered adjusting it?
It\'s set to 1, which is next to off, so I assume that\'s the minimum
refrigeration.
Sounds like the thermostat is fucked, will your landlord replace it?
I don\'t know as it does still work as an FF. I\'m not too bothered with
it as it is.
\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.
It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there but
it freezes instead.
Is the defrost circuitry working?
Yes. I stayed one time in council flats in Denmark. They had a communityOn 12/11/2022 16:20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They provide anything you can run off electricity. WTF is \"district
heating\"?
Heating a lot of houses from one heat source. Could be a furnace or
stray heat from a power station.
Yeah, so what?
The infrastructures are what they are, for whatever reasons. Spain has a
huge capacity to take gas, either from Argel or by tanker ships, but
basically no interconnecting pipes to the north to send it there. So now
we have stored gas enough to last the winter and more.
A pipe is going to be built, to Marseilles, after an agreement between
Portugal, Spain, and France. But that will take years to be operational.
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:22:26 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:51, David Wade wrote:
On 07/11/2022 18:07, Sam E wrote:
[snip]
They don\'t use those for heaters, only motors. Why would you
need it
for a resistive heater?
I have it on my heat pump.
Heat pumps are not resistive! That would defeat the whole purpose.
Heat pumps don\'t work well at very low temperatures. IIRC, the
emergency heat is normally resistive.
[snip]
Air-2-Air heat pumps loose efficiency below about 4C but modern ones
continue to provide some output down to -4c. None that I am aware of
have resistive heaters, but of course some folks will have separate
resistive heaters should the temp drop below -4.
IIRC all domestic heatpumps have resistive heaters, because its
necessary to bring DHW up to temp to kill germs.
What is DHW? And whatever it is, why can\'t the heatpump do it?
On 11/10/2022 10:44 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.
It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there
but it freezes instead.
This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.
It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.
No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every
few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three
hours. I can live with it.
No, it\'s because the ice is keeping the cold air from the freezer from
getting to the refer section.
I guess he got it wrong. There are city blocks empty because they built
a lot of houses that could not be sold when the bubble exploded, not
On 10/11/2022 20:24, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 19:44, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.
It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of
the fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed
there but it freezes instead.
This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.
It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating
to high). Whatever.
No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every
few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three
hours. I can live with it.
Not when there is ice in the evaporator surface. It is not a problem
with the thermostat at all.
It\'s always behaved like that, including just after a full defrost.
Yes, a lot do.
I have one TV on fibre, but the TV on the kitchen or the computer room
use aerial.
On 08/11/2022 18:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:22:26 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:51, David Wade wrote:
On 07/11/2022 18:07, Sam E wrote:
[snip]
They don\'t use those for heaters, only motors. Why would you
need it
for a resistive heater?
I have it on my heat pump.
Heat pumps are not resistive! That would defeat the whole purpose.
Heat pumps don\'t work well at very low temperatures. IIRC, the
emergency heat is normally resistive.
[snip]
Air-2-Air heat pumps loose efficiency below about 4C but modern ones
continue to provide some output down to -4c. None that I am aware of
have resistive heaters, but of course some folks will have separate
resistive heaters should the temp drop below -4.
IIRC all domestic heatpumps have resistive heaters, because its
necessary to bring DHW up to temp to kill germs.
What is DHW? And whatever it is, why can\'t the heatpump do it?
Domestic Hot Water. Heat pumps don\'t heat it to a very high temperature.
Probably enough for a bath or shower, but some are afraid of legionella
and what not. I don\'t know how much danger there is in domestic systems.
On 2022-11-09 02:16, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 05:02:18 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 16:29:12 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:10 -0500, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
Why are Americans so terminally stupid?
Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than
240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in
your
house?
The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
The rest of the world, however, has verbs.
The plugs in the UK are about as big as a cat.
Only the cat\'s head.
What do brits do about wall warts? They must be gigantic.
The little USB things are adorable.
https://tinyurl.com/5djjhy82
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On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.
Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Even resistive heating is better than a furnace. Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.
I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to
the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.
I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas. It\'s
a waste.
The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.
A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.
Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?