Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

[Rod Speed]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 01:26:12 +1100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Cindy Hamilton\" <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:uO6bL.44897$TUR8.5171@fx17.iad...
Similar for forced-air gas furnaces, which are the most common
type of heating in the U.S (60% of American homes). Mine is
above 90%.

Do you find that forced (ducted) air central heating actually keeps the
house warm?

Certainly does here. No one except poms use water based
central heating here and very few poms here do either.

> I suppose it must work, or 60% of American homes wouldn\'t use it!

Yep.

My parents bought a brand new house in the early 1970s (so 1970s
technology (*), admittedly!) which had gas-fired ducted-air central
heating. And the house was never really warm, especially at the remote
end of the ducts, where you got a feeble waft of tepid air. Even the
ducts right next to the boiler/furnace gave out tepid air, even if there
was more of it.

Just a hopelessly done system.

And the house was very dusty because the constant draught kept dust
circulating in the air.

We don\'t get that here.

Our neighbours replaced their CH system with radiators when the boiler
needed replacing twenty years later, rather than going for another
ducted-air boiler. They said to us \"at last the house is warm\".

At least our ducted-air system was fairly quiet. When we were looking
for a house a couple of years ago, we looked round one with a
heat-pump/ducted-air system which emitted a constant moaning whining
noise throughout the whole house - you couldn\'t escape from the infernal
whining.

Another stupid design. You can\'t hear anything with ours.

(*) The boiler was massive: about the depth and width of a typical
fridge, but about 7 feet high - a floor-to-ceiling cabinet. The only
room in the house that was really warm was the downstairs toilet which
had the boiler in it, which suggests that a lot of the heat from the
burning of the gas was wasted to the room rather than going into the
ducted air.

Yeah, fucked by design.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 14. november 2022 kl. 01.27.58 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace. Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas. It\'s
a waste.

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

the power station makes electricity not heat....

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:51:10 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:50:43 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 23:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:46:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 19:49, Bob F wrote:
On 11/6/2022 9:53 AM, Max Demian wrote:

Actually my fridge freezer might as well not have one as it rarely
turns off. Ice forms inside the fridge part and you can just about
freeze vodka in an ice cube tray so it must be about -25C.

Have you considered adjusting it?

It\'s set to 1, which is next to off, so I assume that\'s the minimum
refrigeration.

Sounds like the thermostat is fucked, will your landlord replace it?

I don\'t know as it does still work as an FF. I\'m not too bothered with
it as it is.

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there but it
freezes instead.

This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.

It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many times.
That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to high).
Whatever.

Remedies are lowering the fridge thermostat (higher temp). The thing is,
ice is an insulator, so the inside of the fridge will not get any colder.

Another possibility is placing a small fan (5 cm dia is enough) inside
the fridge blowing across the ice. Caveat is that this may distort the
working of the thermostat, and you have to lower it down or you convert
the fridge into a freezer.

Or, put the fan on a timer: blow for half an hour, stop for half an hour
(this is what I did).

This may put a higher load on the heat radiator on the back, if it can
not evacuate all the heat generated there. Solution would be another
small fan blowing there.

I put two CPU fans in my fridge freezer (fridge section). It was somehow creating 13C at the top and 1C at the bottom. It works by air blowing from the freezer section, I can\'t see how it could be doing that badly, or how the laws of physics permit such a huge temperature differential.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-10 19:44, Max Demian wrote:

On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\".  Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen.  It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there but
it freezes instead.

This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.

It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.

No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every few
days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three hours. I
can live with it.

Not when there is ice in the evaporator surface. It is not a problem
with the thermostat at all.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:38 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:50:43 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 07/11/2022 23:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:46:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 19:49, Bob F wrote:
On 11/6/2022 9:53 AM, Max Demian wrote:

Actually my fridge freezer might as well not have one as it rarely
turns off. Ice forms inside the fridge part and you can just about
freeze vodka in an ice cube tray so it must be about -25C.

Have you considered adjusting it?

It\'s set to 1, which is next to off, so I assume that\'s the minimum
refrigeration.

Sounds like the thermostat is fucked, will your landlord replace it?

I don\'t know as it does still work as an FF. I\'m not too bothered with
it as it is.

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there but it
freezes instead.

That\'s supposed to happen. That\'s where the cold comes from, it has to be less than the food to be able to cool the food.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:41:33 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

mandag den 14. november 2022 kl. 01.27.58 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace. Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas. It\'s
a waste.

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

the power station makes electricity not heat....

Is the heat to electricity section that inefficient?!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 20:24:09 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 19:44, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there but
it freezes instead.

This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.

It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.

No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every few
days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three hours. I
can live with it.


Not when there is ice in the evaporator surface. It is not a problem
with the thermostat at all.

If the thermostat was keeping it on too long, that\'s exactly what would happen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 01:41:21 -0000, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:13:50 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2022 22:53, Bob F wrote:
On 11/10/2022 10:44 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\". Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen. It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there
but it freezes instead.

This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.

It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or cold
surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too many
times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house heating to
high). Whatever.

No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated. Every
few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about three
hours. I can live with it.


No, it\'s because the ice is keeping the cold air from the freezer from
getting to the refer section.

It\'s always behaved like that, including just after a full defrost.
Maybe it\'s a touch low on refrigerant

That would result in nowhere near enough cooling.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:59:43 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.

IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

I wake up if I get a headache. See if you can get a firmware update for your brain.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

--
45 days until the winter celebration (Sunday, December 25, 2022 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The trouble with Communism is the Communists, just as the trouble with
Christianity is the Christians.\" [H.L. Mencken]

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:56:12 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.

IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.

Ah, the Japanese \"buy another one\" chip. Fucking ripoff.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 13:32:17 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-12 11:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:34:41 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 20:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 13:43:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:


To much CO2 will lead to
unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not poisonous as such,
so a
few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a person.

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly coming
from a nearby lake. I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

Not only is it true, but i got close enough to it to realize how easy it
would be, when on a school visit to a brewery I put my head below the
rim of a fermentation tank to smell the brew and got a lungful of pure
CO2.

To breathe in and have it feel like you haven\'t, is extremely scary.

But you noticed the problem and moved to somewhere with less of it,
unlike the morons that died.

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?

Pah, just breathe faster. Survival of the fittest.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:56:38 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
\"Surely you can find an Australian group to pollute rather than posting
your unwanted guff here.\"
MID: <c1pqvgte5ldlo1rn3fpl7igtg4h8i9mk7p@4ax.com>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:13:30 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 02:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:20:23 -0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/11/2022 20:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-08 15:54, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2022 14:16, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 09:24:41 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


We absolutely *DO* need bulk storage - especially since so much of our
winter electricity is generated from burning the stuff! A majority of
UK homes are also heated by gas boilers so it is a double whammy.

The days of dirt cheap and plentiful North Sea gas are long gone.

What happened to it, is it spent already?

All the easy to get at stuff has long since been depleted. North sea is
deep and most of the remaining gas reserves are prohibitively expensive
to get at. (although recent price hikes may have changed that)

Output has been declining since the peak in 2000. eg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10F88/production/_124721596_nsta-oil-production-nc.jpg.webp

UK North Sea oil output peaked slightly earlier.

Rough gas storage facility uses some of the empty salt domes.

Good while it lasted but UK gas production and consumption crossed over
in 2004 - ever since then we have been a net importer of natural gas. It
was fine whilst there was plentiful Russian gas for the mainland but now
it is very much a sellers market with insane price spikes possible.

Not having any storage means that we will have to pay whatever it takes
to keep the lights on this winter. The campaign to save energy in the UK
remains very lacklustre when compared to the 1970\'s OPEC induced oil
crisis which had a very high profile \"Save It\" campaign slogan.

Nobody asked me if I wanted expensive power instead of cheap Russian
power. I have nothing against Putin, I want to use his cheap gas.

Then emigrate.

I\'m not too good at Russian. I only know \"nyet\", \"da\", and \"Deti Rave\".

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

Andy

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:39:58 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/11/2022 10:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 02:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Nobody asked me if I wanted expensive power instead of cheap Russian
power. I have nothing against Putin, I want to use his cheap gas.

Then emigrate.

No one asked me if I wanted to be born, but here I am.
Life\'s a bitch. And then you die.

A Jew (who else) successfully sued his parents for making him without his permission.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:13:09 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 15:13, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/11/2022 14:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:
On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

Power stations should be closer to houses.

Do you want to live in the shadow of a power station? Miles from shops
&c. as are most power stations?

Actually I wouldn\'t mind living in Leiston at all.

Great bird sanctuary just behind Sizewell.
Only thing that spoils it is the transmission lines to London. And they
start a few miles away - the rest is under-grounded. Bring back
Battersea I say.

Why don\'t they underground everything?

> https://earth.google.com/web/@52.20823174,1.62121092,6.4416399a,0d,62.29112534y,343.61894492h,80.00264945t,0r/data=CkoaSBJCCiUweDg5YjAwZjBjZmQ1YTFkNGY6MHg3NzE5YTE0NDAwMTI1MGNkGaPipNU1XUJAIdir2RRZJVPAKgdTdWZmb2xrGAEgASIaChZldjRLMUpaRFFZVEZ1SUVUYmVYUUtnEAI

Is that sizewell tea safe to drink?

I\'ve lived in worse places than that, Crouch End Broadway for one.

https://earth.google.com/web/search/Criuch+end+Broadway+London/@51.5802479,-0.1239559,44.03263474a,0d,60y,233.52984167h,90.16814788t,0r/data=CoUBGlsSVQolMHg0ODc2MWJjN2VhOTQxZjMzOjB4YzQ1YTI0Y2ExN2FiMzQxYxmbaz3ofspJQCF4-lKJ_ES_vyoaQ3JpdWNoIGVuZCBCcm9hZHdheSBMb25kb24YASABIiYKJAnCrblWZ8ZJQBHpayvuosRJQBlg2PlUdra-vyGo4_xHI3HDvyIaChZQNElfd1dEc3VsTzFiYVZDc0hfOFlnEAI

I\'d rather die than live in a city.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:42:09 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 11:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/11/2022 10:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 02:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible source of
spying and control. Why would you be happy with this? They can turn
off your power at will!

Well, as I said, I no longer have to bother to open the door for the
meter man.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

There was no alternative. It was smart meter, or mandatory cut off.


They work really well here too. People are finding their smart meters
have moved them onto more expensive tarriffs without their knowledge.

That doesn\'t happen here. Someone called and the client said \"yes\".

And their true use - to cut people off when the load is too high - seems
to be being revealed

No revelation here, we knew.

Their first step was to mandatorily insert a current limiter at the
entry box, with a lead seal for not tampering. But people tampered it,
with a \"jumper\". So the next move was smart meter with current limiter
included. End of customer fraud.

Digital things can be hacked.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:19:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 15:52, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/11/2022 15:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:13:10 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 14:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:
On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

Power stations should be closer to houses.

Do you want to live in the shadow of a power station?

Wind turbines, yes, why not?

Wind turbines don\'t provide district heating.

And no one who lives in the shadow of one is happy.

In Denmark it renders your house unsaleable.

Noise - especially infrasound generated by blades passing the tower -
and flicker are deeply disturbing to many people.

Those weirdos can live elsewhere.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:11:53 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-10 02:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible source of
spying and control. Why would you be happy with this? They can turn
off your power at will!

Well, as I said, I no longer have to bother to open the door for the
meter man.

You don\'t anyway, what was he going to do if you were out?

Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

> They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and use all your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using, and see what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is measured at up to 5 times what it really is.

> There was no alternative. It was smart meter, or mandatory cut off.

Vote them out.