For All the Michael Moore Fans

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:30:04 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
wrote in message
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: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:57:45 -0700, Greg Pierce
trash.can@nospam.com
: wrote:
:
: >As they say, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.
: It's about people being dead, instead of merely yelled at or
bruised.
: John


"Gun Control" means hitting the intended target everytime!

Roger Gt


That's the theory, I guess. Fact is, the average gun owner is more
likely to kill his own kids than a burgler. Damned kids are just
around the house a lot more than burglers.

John
--------------------

Nope. Statistical nonsense. Guns are used without being fired to deter
violent crime FAR more than they ever kill anyone, including your own
kids.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:23:42 GMT, James Beck
jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:

That's the theory, I guess. Fact is, the average gun owner is more
likely to kill his own kids than a burgler. Damned kids are just
around the house a lot more than burglers.

And where did you get that "fact"????
What a crock of crap.
If you don't like guns, fine, don't own one, but don't spout the same
old crap.

Actually, I like guns. I had a beautiful Ruger stainless
police-special revolver, but a burgler got it. I came in just as he
was leaving out the back door, figured out what was going on, and did
*not* chase him; it was full of '38 wad cutters, and I bet they hurt.
If I had entered a minute sooner, he probably would have shot me with
my gun, or maybe with his own.
--------------

Why wasn't it in a lock box bolted into concrete with lags?
Mine are! Now you've endangered everyone else!

But it's just a fact that the US has a
murder rate that's 10x or so that of other civilized countries, and
guns are mostly responsible; it's such an easy, almost antiseptic, way
to kill. Television shows and movies mostly glorify guns and the joy
of killing with them; it's hard to find a newspaper movie section that
doesn't have a couple of guns prominently displayed in the ads. The
very fact that gun lovers admire their weapons so much tells the
story.

I hear shots in the night often, as most people who live in big cities
do. I guess we'll just have to stay used to it.
--------------------------------

Nope, we don't have to, you merely vote to make possession of any
weapon that is not serialized as yours presumptive of deadly crime
and execute them summarily!

That will get rid of the urge to steal guns very very quickly!!

"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there."

Rifles are good, because you can't conceal them very well.
-------------------

No, they are bad because you can tell who doesn't have one and
then they are targeted.

What would old George think of 12-year olds running around
with automatic pistols, killing the kids from down the block?
John
--------------------

What makes you think Orwell hadn't seen auto pistols in his era??
He lived 1903-1950! They have had auto pistols since the 1890s!!

-Steve
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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote (in <40ED0D96.1F4A@armory.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore
Fans', on Thu, 8 Jul 2004:

Only when we are
all equally terrified of one another will we all be free and equal!

As striven for by the STASI in the DDR and the Red Guards in China, also
by Pol Pot. I don't want to be free and equal on those terms.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Chuck Harris]

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:18:29 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:



That's the theory, I guess. Fact is, the average gun owner is more
likely to kill his own kids than a burgler. Damned kids are just
around the house a lot more than burglers.

John

That silly statistic is utter BS!



Well, maybe *you* have more burglers around your house than you have
kids.

John

Ya, sure?

I guess now you are calling me, or my family, burglers?

The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well know,
is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting. It comes straight
from a report by Kellerman published in the New England Journal
of Medicine. Kellerman was funded by Handgun Control Institute,
Jim Brady is their posterchild.

The "43 to 1" report has been proved to be intentionally misleading,
and well, just plain wrong many many times. Do a google on "43"
"guns", and "family", and you will find plenty written on its flaws.

One good link is a short paper published by SAMMI, and found on the
Baretta website:

http://www.berettausa.com/communities/home_prot/family.htm


-Chuck

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:53:40 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?

It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the abolone, then
shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you would with
men (but more than you would with abalone).

My production manager is Portugese (from the Azores, actually) and
dives for abs off the Marin coast. Ever had an abalone sandwich?

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:

you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?

I slice them very thin, and pound the slices with a spiked mallet
until they look like lace. Dust with flour, sautee briefly, and serve
with a little lemon butter, maybe. That *is* a lot of work, so maybe
I'll try shooting next time.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:42:40 -0400, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:18:29 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:



That's the theory, I guess. Fact is, the average gun owner is more
likely to kill his own kids than a burgler. Damned kids are just
around the house a lot more than burglers.

John

That silly statistic is utter BS!



Well, maybe *you* have more burglers around your house than you have
kids.

John



Ya, sure?

I guess now you are calling me, or my family, burglers?

Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family isn't as
grim as you are.

The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well know,
is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.

Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the number 1.
OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".

The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly, you
can't. That says a lot, right there.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:30:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

MM is especially annoying. He's getting rich off the American public
by telling us how stupid we are, thus proving himself correct.

John
--------------
I dare you to prove he is "getting rich". Just because it's all that
YOUR sort wants to do doesn't mean it's what everyone else wants, it
only means that you have a hard time identifying with non-criminals.

You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

John

 

[Chuck Harris]

John Larkin wrote:

Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family isn't as
grim as you are.

I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about this
subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by decent
folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit testy.

The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well know,
is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.


Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the number 1.
OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".

John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner was
more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler... not
the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one that has
been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to demonize guns
and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded by a
paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the New England
Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other problems,
it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded off by the
simple showing of a gun.

As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with information
reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported in the
US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped, by common
ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those are only
the ones where people took the time to file a report with the police.

Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the time
to report crimes that were averted, many times that number didn't
take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented from being
carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a crime is
a crime in itself.

The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly, you
can't. That says a lot, right there.

I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to believe this.
In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your statements...
Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically
irrational.

-Chuck

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:20:01 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:53:40 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?

It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the abolone, then
shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you would with
men (but more than you would with abalone).


My production manager is Portugese (from the Azores, actually) and
dives for abs off the Marin coast. Ever had an abalone sandwich?

John

No- it seems a bit expensive for sandwich filling. Is the stuff from
off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:18:39 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:

[snip]

I'll have to take a look to see if it's idiomatic or
indicting.

In any case, if he made one mistake that all of us would
have made because it was generally reported that way, then
claiming the entire movie is nothing but lies would be
a form of the Fallacy of Composition.

--Blair
"He'll still sue you if you lie
about him."

Sounds like **you** haven't seen the movie.

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
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[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:23:14 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:

you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?

I slice them very thin, and pound the slices with a spiked mallet
until they look like lace. Dust with flour, sautee briefly, and serve
with a little lemon butter, maybe. That *is* a lot of work, so maybe
I'll try shooting next time.

John

A week ago I ate in Sapporo at the teppanyaki table... had the filet
and abalone combination. Yummeeee!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Roger Gt]

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40ed712e$0$1183$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
: John Larkin wrote:

: > Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family
isn't as
: > grim as you are.
:
: I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about
this
: subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by
decent
: folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit
testy.
: >
: >>The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well
know,
: >>is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.
: >
: > Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the
number 1.
: > OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".
:
: John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner
was
: more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler...
not
: the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one
that has
: been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to
demonize guns
: and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded
by a
: paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the
New England
: Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other
problems,
: it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded
off by the
: simple showing of a gun.
:
: As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with
information
: reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported
in the
: US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped,
by common
: ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those
are only
: the ones where people took the time to file a report with the
police.
:
: Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the
time
: to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: a crime in itself.
:
: >
: > The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly,
you
: > can't. That says a lot, right there.
:
: I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to
believe this.
: In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your
statements...
: Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is
automatically
: irrational.
: -Chuck


Chuck:
The number 43 is "the meaning of life" according to the book "The
Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" and has been used for emotional
effect in a number of reports and papers to support otherwise
unsupportable positions. BTW: thanks for the link, I added it to
my reference files.

However your in a discussion with someone who is simply incapable
of understanding anything which does not agree with his totally
irrational position. He will simply ignore references, or deride
then as old, biased, or not applying to the topic. BTDT. His
spelling errors go further than a simple typo, and create a
pattern indicating a latent learning disability.

I agree that he should not have a gun, he WOULD likely kill
himself accidentally or on purpose to prove his own twisted point.
Also from what I could glean I strongly suspect that his support
of criminals in trying to protect them from being shot when caught
in the act, or threatening someone in the commission of a crime,
is due to his having been convicted of a felony and being unable
to buy or possess arms. He also claims to be an engineer, but
that might mean he drives trains or earthmovers.

To close, I quit trying to educate Mr. Larkin due to his
demonstratable inability to understand or comprehend the material
presented, or to even consider what was said in the context in
which it was presented.

In short, Good Luck with this effort.

Roger Gt

PS: I have deliberately omitted any analysis which might reflect
negatively on Mr. Larkin. So this expose is not comprehensive.

 

[Richard Henry]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:1gqqe0lcf492rmk44kdbppeg1h1eq04r0c@4ax.com...

You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

 

[Richard Henry]

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
news:7OeHc.88950$Rn7.38202@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40ed712e$0$1183$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
: John Larkin wrote:

: > Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family
isn't as
: > grim as you are.
:
: I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about
this
: subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by
decent
: folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit
testy.
:
: >>The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well
know,
: >>is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.
:
: > Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the
number 1.
: > OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".
:
: John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner
was
: more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler...
not
: the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one
that has
: been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to
demonize guns
: and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded
by a
: paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the
New England
: Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other
problems,
: it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded
off by the
: simple showing of a gun.
:
: As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with
information
: reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported
in the
: US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped,
by common
: ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those
are only
: the ones where people took the time to file a report with the
police.
:
: Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the
time
: to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: a crime in itself.
:
:
: > The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly,
you
: > can't. That says a lot, right there.
:
: I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to
believe this.
: In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your
statements...
: Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is
automatically
: irrational.
: -Chuck


Chuck:
The number 43 is "the meaning of life" according to the book "The
Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" ...

42.

Which we later discover is the HGTTG answer to the question "what is 6 times
9?"

Which is true in base 13.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:40:35 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40ed712e$0$1183$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
: John Larkin wrote:

: > Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family
isn't as
: > grim as you are.
:
: I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about
this
: subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by
decent
: folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit
testy.
:
: >>The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well
know,
: >>is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.
:
: > Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the
number 1.
: > OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".
:
: John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner
was
: more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler...
not
: the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one
that has
: been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to
demonize guns
: and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded
by a
: paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the
New England
: Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other
problems,
: it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded
off by the
: simple showing of a gun.
:
: As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with
information
: reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported
in the
: US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped,
by common
: ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those
are only
: the ones where people took the time to file a report with the
police.
:
: Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the
time
: to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: a crime in itself.
:
:
: > The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly,
you
: > can't. That says a lot, right there.
:
: I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to
believe this.
: In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your
statements...
: Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is
automatically
: irrational.
: -Chuck


Chuck:
The number 43 is "the meaning of life" according to the book "The
Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" and has been used for emotional
effect in a number of reports and papers to support otherwise
unsupportable positions. BTW: thanks for the link, I added it to
my reference files.

However your in a discussion with someone who is simply incapable
of understanding anything which does not agree with his totally
irrational position.

Apparently even posing the question about the merits of keeping a
loaded gun around the house is "irrational." Damn, but people *love*
their guns!

He will simply ignore references, or deride
then as old, biased, or not applying to the topic. BTDT. His
spelling errors go further than a simple typo, and create a
pattern indicating a latent learning disability.

I have a lifetime typing disability. When I type anything important, I
just give it to a minion to process in Word, and they make it pretty.

This isn't important.

I agree that he should not have a gun, he WOULD likely kill
himself accidentally or on purpose to prove his own twisted point.

I've owned and shot lots of guns. Guns are wonderful, maybe too
wonderful to be considered impassionately.

It's interesting that two of the most dangerous objects we deal with -
guns and cars - are such objects of passion. Also interesting that
both are powered by chemical explosions.

Also from what I could glean I strongly suspect that his support
of criminals in trying to protect them from being shot when caught
in the act, or threatening someone in the commission of a crime,
is due to his having been convicted of a felony and being unable
to buy or possess arms. He also claims to be an engineer, but
that might mean he drives trains or earthmovers.

I design instrumentation, high-precision and picosecond speed stuff,
mostly of late. Never been arrested, except for the time they hauled
me in for driving my motorcycle on the levee at 2AM.

PS: I have deliberately omitted any analysis which might reflect
negatively on Mr. Larkin. So this expose is not comprehensive.

Jeez, reflect all you want. This is a "discussion" group.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:50:36 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
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You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

I'm saying that governance ought to be a rational activity, not a team
sport.

John

 

[Bill Garber]

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
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: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:20:01 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
: <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:
:
: >On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:53:40 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
: ><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
: >
: >>On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
: >><jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
: >>
: >>>I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPland
: >>>THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in
<gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
: >>>4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7
Jul 2004:
: >>>>you don't have to shoot
: >>>>abalone.
: >>>
: >>>Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
: >>
: >>It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the
abolone, then
: >>shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you
would with
: >>men (but more than you would with abalone).
: >>
: >
: >My production manager is Portugese (from the Azores, actually)
and
: >dives for abs off the Marin coast. Ever had an abalone
sandwich?
: >
: >John
:
: No- it seems a bit expensive for sandwich filling. Is the stuff
from
: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
still can. )

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[Jim DeClercq]

Top posting.

Have read that. The people with guns in their homes were killed by guns
brought into that home. Suggests drug dealing to me.

One can make that come out differently by omitting facts, such as what gun
did that?

Jim

Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> writes:

: John Larkin wrote:

: >
: >
: > That's the theory, I guess. Fact is, the average gun owner is more
: > likely to kill his own kids than a burgler. Damned kids are just
: > around the house a lot more than burglers.
: >
: > John

: That silly statistic is utter BS!

: The actual report made by the American Medical Association,
: was that if you have a gun in your home, you are 43 times more
: likely to kill a friend, family, or someone you know than if you
: don't have a gun in your home.

: Consider that in the group of people they consider "friend, family,
: or someone you know" are the following:

: Your estranged spouse who beats you,
: The mugger whose picture you saw in the paper,
: The gang kids that hang on the corner,
: The neighbor that threatens everybody about everything.
: That strange guy that lives in 3B and gives everyone the willies,
: The bully that prey's on your kids,
: Your drug addicted brother that keeps breaking into your house.
: The stalker from that date that didn't work out...
: Your father who beats you and mom when he gets drunk,
: Your father who rapes you regularly...

: and also,

: Accidents, suicides and murders.

: and, of course, they also included people killed by methods other than guns.

: What they didn't do, is say how many of these "killings" were justifiable,
: and how many were not.

: It is time to stop dragging that hideous piece of propaganda
: out as fact.

: -Chuck Harris

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[Chuck Harris]

Bill Garber wrote:

: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they

I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.

Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
mackrel?

-Chuck