For All the Michael Moore Fans

[Bob Stephens]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, Bill Garber wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
message news:gbrqe0h6msur0jjqq0jpp8c5ej169dkl84@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:20:01 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
: <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:
:
:>On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:53:40 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
:><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
:
:>>On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
:>><jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
:
:>>>I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPland
:>>>THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in
gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
:>>>4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7
Jul 2004:
:>>>>you don't have to shoot
:>>>>abalone.
:
:>>>Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
:
:>>It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the
abolone, then
:>>shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you
would with
:>>men (but more than you would with abalone).
:
:
:>My production manager is Portugese (from the Azores, actually)
and
:>dives for abs off the Marin coast. Ever had an abalone
sandwich?
:
:>John
:
: No- it seems a bit expensive for sandwich filling. Is the stuff
from
: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
still can. )

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I realize this is probably a troll, but Albacore isn't the same as Abalone
by a long shot.

Bob
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[Bob Stephens]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:29:22 -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:

Bill Garber wrote:

: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they

I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.

Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
mackrel?

-Chuck

I hate to nitpick, but Abalone shells are not spiral. They're shaped like a
helmet. Very useful for ashtrays.

Bob
--
"Just machines that make big decisions
programmed by fellas with compassion and vision."
-D. Fagen
(remove yomama)

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
still can. )

It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.

http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html

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[Bill Garber]

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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: Bill Garber wrote:
:
: > : off the coast safe pollution-wise?
: >
: > Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: > grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: > a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: > Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
:
: I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
: gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.
:
: Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
: mackrel?
:
: -Chuck

Yes, DUH! ( slaps forehead ) Sorry about that.

( slinks away in shame nevermore to post atrocities )

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[Bill Garber]

"Bob Stephens" <stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote in
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: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, Bill Garber wrote:
:
: > "Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
: > message news:gbrqe0h6msur0jjqq0jpp8c5ej169dkl84@4ax.com...
: >: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:20:01 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
: >: <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:
: >:
: >:>On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:53:40 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
: >:><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
: >:>
: >:>>On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John
Woodgate
: >:>><jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
: >:>>
: >:>>>I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin
: > <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
: >:>>>THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in
: > <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
: >:>>>4ax.com&gt about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed,
7
: > Jul 2004:
: >:>>>>you don't have to shoot
: >:>>>>abalone.
: >:>>>
: >:>>>Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
: >:>>
: >:>>It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the
: > abolone, then
: >:>>shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you
: > would with
: >:>>men (but more than you would with abalone).
: >:>>
: >:>
: >:>My production manager is Portugese (from the Azores,
actually)
: > and
: >:>dives for abs off the Marin coast. Ever had an abalone
: > sandwich?
: >:>
: >:>John
: >:
: >: No- it seems a bit expensive for sandwich filling. Is the
stuff
: > from
: >: off the coast safe pollution-wise?
: >
: > Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: > grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: > a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: > Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: > still can. )
: >
: > Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: > Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: > Email - willy46pa @ comcast DOT net
: > Change DOT to a dot to contact me
: >
: >
: >
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6/18/04
:
: I realize this is probably a troll, but Albacore isn't
: the same as Abalone by a long shot.

Excuse me, but I apologized for being Human, and
FYI, I am NOT a troll, by a long shot. )

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[Bill Garber]

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
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: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
: >
: >Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: >grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: >a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: >Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: >still can. )
:
: It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.
:
: http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html

Oh gee thanks. Now that I know what they look like,
I know I won't be eating that, although I have many
times enjoyed Squid and Shark, and they don't rate
high on the good lookers list. )

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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:37:39 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:29:22 -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:

Bill Garber wrote:

: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they

I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.

Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
mackrel?

-Chuck

I hate to nitpick, but Abalone shells are not spiral. They're shaped like a
helmet. Very useful for ashtrays.

Bob

They have that cool row of holes in the side, like a '53 Buick.

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:15:07 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
message news:jsare0tou3nsecrfa6oak4obo58kk676ur@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
:
: >Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: >grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: >a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: >Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: >still can. )
:
: It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.
:
: http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html

Oh gee thanks. Now that I know what they look like,
I know I won't be eating that, although I have many
times enjoyed Squid and Shark, and they don't rate
high on the good lookers list. )

How about some geoduck? Now here is a handsome specimen with quite the
manly siphon:

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/geoduck.jpg

Avoid Abbalone too, they come from Sweden and make sounds that become
irritating with repetition.

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[Bill Garber]

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
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: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:15:07 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
:
: >
: >"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
: >message news:jsare0tou3nsecrfa6oak4obo58kk676ur@4ax.com...
: >: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill
Garber"
: >: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
: >: >
: >: >Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: >: >grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: >: >a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: >: >Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: >: >still can. )
: >:
: >: It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.
: >:
: >: http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html
: >
: >Oh gee thanks. Now that I know what they look like,
: >I know I won't be eating that, although I have many
: >times enjoyed Squid and Shark, and they don't rate
: >high on the good lookers list. )
:
: How about some geoduck? Now here is a handsome
: specimen with quite the manly siphon:
:
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/geoduck.jpg

Ewwwww!, Yuck!!!!!. I don't THINK so! )

: Avoid Abbalone too, they come from Sweden and
: make sounds that become irritating with repetition.

Is that before or after you eat it. LMAO!!!!!!

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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:01:25 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
wrote in message
news:0gioe0prsrjm47uu6dpem20c6kf2vhp71t@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:24:35 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >John Larkin wrote:
: >>>I'm sure that you are wrong. Japan has the highest suicide
rate in
: >>>the world... and no legal gun ownership. How *DO* they do
it?
: >>>-Chuck Harris
: >> Well, David probably wouldn't have been able to kill the
senator with
: >> his bare hands (the old fart was BIG) so the whole thing
likely would
: >> have ended up in shouting or scuffling.
: >A piddling swing with a baseball bat to his head would do the
trick
: >just fine. We should outlaw baseball bats.
:
: I can only cite my personal experience (since nobody will
believe
: statistics when they contradict his prejudices):
: Two guys I knew, dead from self-inflicted gunshots
:
: One murder by gunshot
:
: Two killings of people I didn't know, on my block, when I lived
across
: from the Projects.

So you lived in a bad area and so everyone should be punished and
loose their rights because it upset you? Gat real, see a shrink!

I never suggested anybody lose rights. I did question whether it's
safer to have a gun around the house or not. Apparently some of the
posters here lock up their guns, some do not... different estimations
of differential risk, I suppose. Some think kids, if raised properly,
will never consider suicide, and some think they'd just find another
way to do it. But since nobody wants to "discuss" this, I think I'll
bail.

I did lay off a guy once, marketing manager, and he was a genuine gun
nut. He'd sometimes park across the street from work afterwards,
watching people walk in and out, and he lived about 50 miles away. Had
us worried for a while, but then he had a heart attack while jogging
and died on the spot. We had mixed feelings about the whole thing.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the time
to report crimes that were averted, many times that number didn't
take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented from being
carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a crime is
a crime in itself.

As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is that
three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the presence of
a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't personally
know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just my
luck. What's your experience?

John

The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly, you
can't. That says a lot, right there.

I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to believe this.
In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your statements...
Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically
irrational.

-Chuck

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
: >"John Larkin" wrote
: >: Chuck Harris wrote
: >: >John Larkin wrote
<snip>

: I did lay off a guy once, marketing manager, and he was a
genuine gun
: nut. He'd sometimes park across the street from work afterwards,
: watching people walk in and out, and he lived about 50 miles
away. Had
: us worried for a while, but then he had a heart attack while
jogging
: and died on the spot. We had mixed feelings about the whole
thing.

Guilt?
He was probably waiting for the traffic to thin out, I've done
that myself, listened to the radio while I waited for about 40
minutes. Saved a lot of grief dodging the nutty traffic!
Shortened the drive by nearly 35 minutes too!

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message
news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
the time
: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: >a crime in itself.
: >
:
: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is
that
: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
presence of
: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
personally
: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just
my
: luck. What's your experience?
: John


Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what they
went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
hospital?

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
: >"Chuck Harris" wrote
: >: John Larkin wrote
<SNIP>
: I have a lifetime typing disability. When I type anything
important, I
: just give it to a minion to process in Word, and they make it
pretty.
: This isn't important.

Obviously!

<snip>
: It's interesting that two of the most dangerous objects we deal
with -
: guns and cars - are such objects of passion. Also interesting
that
: both are powered by chemical explosions.

I always thought the most dangerous things we deal with are
politics and women, although not necessarily in that order!

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:19:23 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
: >"John Larkin" wrote
: >: Chuck Harris wrote
: >: >John Larkin wrote
snip

: I did lay off a guy once, marketing manager, and he was a
genuine gun
: nut. He'd sometimes park across the street from work afterwards,
: watching people walk in and out, and he lived about 50 miles
away. Had
: us worried for a while, but then he had a heart attack while
jogging
: and died on the spot. We had mixed feelings about the whole
thing.

Guilt?

Of course. I hate to lay anybody off, even if they are incompetent.

He was probably waiting for the traffic to thin out, I've done
that myself, listened to the radio while I waited for about 40
minutes.

Not where we are... nowhere near a freeway, and clear across the Bay
from his house. And we have parking meters here.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:22:31 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
wrote in message
news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
:
: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
the time
: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: >a crime in itself.
:
:
: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is
that
: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
presence of
: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
personally
: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just
my
: luck. What's your experience?
: John


Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what they
went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
hospital?

So, no actual experiences with gun violence. Lucky you.

John

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message
news:80rre0lp2k1ebbnihee84iaduu55h1oi07@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:22:31 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net>
wrote:
:
: >
: >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
: >wrote in message
: >news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: >: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: >: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
: >: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
: >the time
: >: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
: >didn't
: >: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
: >from being
: >: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
: >crime is
: >: >a crime in itself.
: >:
: >: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience
is
: >that
: >: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
: >presence of
: >: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
: >personally
: >: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe
just
: >my
: >: luck. What's your experience?
: >: John
: >
: >Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what
they
: >went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
: >hospital?
:
: So, no actual experiences with gun violence. Lucky you.
: John

Gun Violence is EXTREMELY rare! No one in my family or in the
Historical re-enactment group (About 150) have ever had a brush
with an incident.









:

 

[AZGuy]

I've kept my eye on our gvt since the Vietnam war days and I don't
believe there has every been a time when they tell us the truth about
these significant issues. It is simply SOP for "our" gvt to lie to
us.

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:17:00 GMT, xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:53:11 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@cox.net> wrote:

I never fail to be amazed at how upset some people get at the alleged
lies of Moore yet accept without a peep far more harmful lies put out
by Bush and his stooges. Welcome to 1984.


I agree, but let's look at this.

Moore is biased. Everyone seems acknowledge that. I do too. I don't even
think his movie is really that effective, but it IS an attempt to get
people thinking. Maybe a failed attempt. I doubt if very many people
leave the theater with significantly changed perspectives.

With all the media in our lives our whole world seems to be determined
by "spin" and its success rate. So Michael Moore CAN be accued of spin
in this documentary. What, about similar issues like the lack of WMDs,
is escaping his attackers. Any skewing of information in this movie does
not come close to the world-wide propaganda blitz created by this
president and his advisers that started a war with justification that
has obviously been proven false.

A whole damn war! With death and destruction, human upheaval, grieving
families on both sides, and massive economic cost and burden on society.
And I am talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan, where we never really
tried hard to get the real terrorists.

In our recent rewrite, this war was to depose a brutal tyrant. America
wouldn't be there if that was the original story. The original story was
based on revenge and fear. Lets go kill some of those terrorist bastards
before they get us.

I walked the ground in Vietnam with a rifle in my hands. Most of the old
farts in this group will remember that period well. I came out of it
proud for my service and knowing that eventually we may have to go to
war again, but hoping we would only do that when there was a clear enemy
and a reason beyond reproach.

When the American public was being sold the story that got us into Iraq,
I kept asking myself why there was no presentation of concrete
justification. (Where's the beef? as that old TV ad said.) One night I
met a guy from Australia and he reassured me that since his government
was buying into the program, there must be something there that we, as
common folk, weren't being allowed to know that justified the idea. I
think that reassured me too much. I was looking for a reason to believe.
As it started I wanted to believe, and pretty much did believe, we were
doing the right thing.

So all this happened, and I support our troups who, like me (then), are
doing the bidding of their government whether it really makes sense or
not. So far no one has stooped to attacking the soldiers much, and I
hope that doesn't happen. A few, like the prison guards, might be in
deep trouble though, and I am sure this government could easily write
them off with the other casualties.

As for this newsgroup, why are so many engineers down on Michael Moore?
You guys are usually so logical in everything you do. The biggest and
most obvious lie (and how can you argue the WMD thing) was the one that
got this war started. Why the disjoint in attributing where the lies
are? Be reasonable. Attack the BIG liar, not the one who made this
little movie.

-Rex

P.S., I voted for Bush thinking he might be good for the economy. We all
make mistakes. I admit this one.

--
Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Richard Henry wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:1gqqe0lcf492rmk44kdbppeg1h1eq04r0c@4ax.com...


You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

Can't speak for John, but I'll say they're less different
than they want you to think.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Chuck Harris]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:


Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the time
to report crimes that were averted, many times that number didn't
take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented from being
carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a crime is
a crime in itself.



As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is that
three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the presence of
a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't personally
know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just my
luck. What's your experience?

John

In the course of my life, I knew two people who used a gun to
commit suicide. The time span between their deaths was 30 years.
I consider suicide to be a shame, but a god given right, none the
less.

I cannot recall hearing of any of my friends using a gun to actively
protect themselves, or their property.... well, any of my non law
enforcement friends.

I know 3 cops. Two are retired after long careers on the street, one
is a chief of a small police department. None have ever shot anyone
with their guns. None have ever been shot at. All used their guns
as a deterrent. All brandished their guns to encourage people to
stop what they were doing. In discussing this very subject with
one cop friend after he retired, he told me that he knew of only
2 or 3 cops in his career that had ever killed anyone. Each of these
cops had killed or wounded people numbering into the double
digits. There is a lesson in there somewhere.

I knew 10 people who were pedestrians, killed by automobiles.
I knew 3 people who were killed while riding motorcycles.
I knew more than a dozen who were killed in automobile accidents.
I knew a dozen, killed in household accidents. Mostly falls.
And dozens who died of natural causes, and one killed through
a medical misadventure.

In highschool, 1/10th of the class that graduated before me died young
in one way, or another. None were homocides. Only one involved
a gun used in suicide. Most were automobile accidents, OD's, or
suicides. I couple of these kids were close friends, but most were
just faces in the hall...

What conclusions do I draw from all this death? People always die
from something. Very few of them die from anything to do with guns
or violence.

-Chuck