For All the Michael Moore Fans

on Tuesday 06 July 2004 06:10 pm, Robert C Monsen wrote:

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message

BTW, My brother kneecapped a burglar, so the police could pick him
up a couple blocks away. You do not always have to kill them.
The mere presence of the capability to put them down is usually
enough!

Wow! Cool! Some poor teenager gets kneecapped cause he crawled into
the wrong house looking for a TV set. Probably on disability right
now. I guess your brother feels really proud of that! Who wouldn't?
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Ever notice how the control nuts also seem to want to coddle the
crooks as well?

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Cheers!
Rich
 
on Tuesday 06 July 2004 03:26 pm, John Larkin wrote:
....
Actually, I like guns. I had a beautiful Ruger stainless
police-special revolver, but a burgler got it. I came in just as he
was leaving out the back door, figured out what was going on, and did
*not* chase him; it was full of '38 wad cutters, and I bet they hurt.
If I had entered a minute sooner, he probably would have shot me with
my gun, or maybe with his own. But it's just a fact that the US has a
murder rate that's 10x or so that of other civilized countries, and
guns are mostly responsible;
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Bullshit. Inanimate objects aren't "responsible." What's responsible
is this very kind of mentality of blame. And America has 10X more
idiots and the rest of the US population is 10X stupider than the rest
of the world. Most of present company excluded, of course. ;-)

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Cheers!
Rich
 
on Wednesday 07 July 2004 05:46 pm, Bill Garber wrote:
"Steve Sousa" <etsteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote in message
: > : And if I am on the jury, you walk!
: > Thanks Roger. I couldn't have said it any better. :eek:)
: I didn't explain myself correctly. I should have stressed the
word "dealer".
: I wasn't refering to being killed by the cops or sentenced to
dead by the
: legal system.
: What i meant was: if you shoot a dealer you'll die because he
(if he lives)
: or his gang *will come* and kill you.
: Am i wrong?

You're probably right in that regard, but I wouldn't
approach them that way myself. I'd call the authorities
and point him out to them. Of course, I'd be sure they
didn't suspect me as the finger-pointer. :eek:)

The whole problem here is the insane war on drugs. Call that off,
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and the whole crime problem (at least related to repression of
the drug trade) will evaporate. The price will fall, and all the
stoners will sit at home stoned and mind their own business.

And why did he move into gangtown in the first place anyway?

I suppose he's a liberal, and wanted to make a statement or
something.
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Cheers!
Rich
 
on Wednesday 07 July 2004 11:09 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:55:49 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

I'm sure neither of the suicides would have
happened sucessfully without a gun being handy.

I'm sure that you are wrong. Japan has the highest suicide rate in
the world... and no legal gun ownership. How *DO* they do it?

-Chuck Harris

Well, David probably wouldn't have been able to kill the senator with
his bare hands (the old fart was BIG) so the whole thing likely would
have ended up in shouting or scuffling.

There's no way we're going to change the gun situation in this
country, but if you have teenagers around the house, especially males,
keep the guns locked up.

John
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If you've got a teenager and still need to keep guns locked up,
then I'm very sad for you that you have absolutely no clue how to
raise a child. And by the time your kid is stealing your own gun
from you, it's WAY too late.

Is this how you were raised, where everybody rips everybody off
first chance they get? How sad.
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Cheers!
Rich
 
on Wednesday 07 July 2004 02:09 pm, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:09:50 -0700, John Larkin
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:28:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
At my old location I had a neighbor about a block away, took a swing
at his wife, but she ducked and his arm went thru a glass window...
bled to death before the next-door neighbor (a doctor) could do
anything.
Doesn't sound like she was in any great rush to apply a tourniquet.
Serves him right, beating up on women. Or windows. Whatever.
Talking to the doctor at that incident, underarm between elbow and
shoulder is about the worst place to get a slash wound :-(
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He took a swing at his wife, missed, and his hand went through a
window up to the shoulder? On the inside? What'd he do, take a
flying leap?

Sounds like the Darwin Effect to me.
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Cheers!
Rich
 
Roger Gt <not@here.net> wrote:
"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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: Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote:
: >Greg Pierce wrote:
: >> You know Moore is full of shit when a Lefty like Christopher
Hitchens
: >> debunks his film. Check this out:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
: > Bookmarked for use against the stupid. Thank you.
:
: Hitchens isn't a Liberal. He's a Socialist. Only
: ignorami equate the two.
:
: "Liberals founded America."

Yes it is true, the founders were liberal, back when it meant
something entirely different!
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No, it still means the same thing. Except to idiots who
listen to right-wing morons who have labeled anything they
hate "liberal" to try to redifine the word by association.

I.e., the Media were never Liberal on average, but because
Limbaugh et al consistently referred to the Media as
Liberal, that's what a generation of Americans came
to believe was the Liberal slant. The result is that
Right-Wing screed houses like FOX News can appear Centrist.

--Blair
"The Internet is short-circuiting
their plans."
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:19:01 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
Letter-to-Editor in today's EV Tribune (Phoenix)....

Moore film falsely depicts flight of Saudis

Michael Moore's movie, "Fahrenheit 9/ll" informs us I that,
immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, while U.S.
airspace was closed to all commercial traffic, Bush arranged for a
special flight to secretly spirit Bush's friends, Bin Laden family
members, safely out of the country.

The reality is the bin Laden's didn't leave the U.S. until U.S.
airspace was re-opened and not at the arrangement of Bush but at the
urging of "terror czar" Richard Clark's of 9/11 commission fame, who
informed them that the U.S. couldn't ensure their safety.

I've heard that the film doesn't say it was Bush himself, but
his administration.

I've also heard that some people think the movie claims
that the flight occurred when airspace was closed, but
they think wrong because it clearly shows the flight taking
off after it was reopened.

But that's not what Mikey is saying in the sound-track. (I saw the
movie.)
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Synecdoche...
Synechdoce...

Let's look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

I was right the first time.

This is the one I want:

"A part of something is used for the whole."

I.e. in common usage, saying "Bush did X" is tantamount
to saying "Bush created the policies which resulted in
X even if the actual action was undertaken by one of his
appointees (inherited or otherwise) and even if he didn't
have anything to do with it at all". As in "Reagan ended
the Cold War," "Clinton was too busy getting his cock
sucked to kill bin Laden," and, "George Bush got elected."

I'll get around to actually seeing the movie when someone
makes a charge against it that sticks.
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I'll have to take a look to see if it's idiomatic or
indicting.

In any case, if he made one mistake that all of us would
have made because it was generally reported that way, then
claiming the entire movie is nothing but lies would be
a form of the Fallacy of Composition.

--Blair
"He'll still sue you if you lie
about him."
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com>) about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.
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Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
--
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The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com>) about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
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It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the abolone, then
shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you would with
men (but more than you would with abalone).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com>) about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?

It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the abolone, then
shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you would with
men (but more than you would with abalone).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Shoot them , no no no , you use a net that way they can dive agian. Boy all
this killing the kine that produces.

Charles
 
"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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: Roger Gt <not@here.net> wrote:
: >
: >"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
: >news:e5JGc.163595$ef4.19665@news.easynews.com...
: >: Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote:
: >: >Greg Pierce wrote:
: >: >> You know Moore is full of shit when a Lefty like
Christopher
: >Hitchens
: >: >> debunks his film. Check this out:
: >http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
: >: > Bookmarked for use against the stupid. Thank you.
: >:
: >: Hitchens isn't a Liberal. He's a Socialist. Only
: >: ignorami equate the two.
: >:
: >: "Liberals founded America."
: >
: >Yes it is true, the founders were liberal, back when it meant
: >something entirely different!
:
: No, it still means the same thing. Except to idiots who
: listen to right-wing morons who have labeled anything they
: hate "liberal" to try to redifine the word by association.
:
: I.e., the Media were never Liberal on average, but because
: Limbaugh et al consistently referred to the Media as
: Liberal, that's what a generation of Americans came
: to believe was the Liberal slant. The result is that
: Right-Wing screed houses like FOX News can appear Centrist.
: --Blair

Tell that to my left wing History teacher. He will laugh at you!

So will I!
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:19:01 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
Letter-to-Editor in today's EV Tribune (Phoenix)....

Moore film falsely depicts flight of Saudis

Michael Moore's movie, "Fahrenheit 9/ll" informs us I that,
immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, while U.S.
airspace was closed to all commercial traffic, Bush arranged for a
special flight to secretly spirit Bush's friends, Bin Laden family
members, safely out of the country.

The reality is the bin Laden's didn't leave the U.S. until U.S.
airspace was re-opened and not at the arrangement of Bush but at the
urging of "terror czar" Richard Clark's of 9/11 commission fame, who
informed them that the U.S. couldn't ensure their safety.

I've heard that the film doesn't say it was Bush himself, but
his administration.

I've also heard that some people think the movie claims
that the flight occurred when airspace was closed, but
they think wrong because it clearly shows the flight taking
off after it was reopened.

But that's not what Mikey is saying in the sound-track. (I saw the
movie.)
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Cite please!!
Not what *I* saw, merely your wishful thinking.


I'll get around to actually seeing the movie when someone
makes a charge against it that sticks.
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Amen.

-Steve
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Greg Pierce wrote:
You know Moore is full of shit when a Lefty like Christopher Hitchens
debunks his film. Check this out: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

--
Greg
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Hitchens is no "Lefty", and anyway, the assertions he makes as to what
Michael Moore said contradict things I have heard Moore comment on,
such as the puzzlement by Hitchens who imagines that Moore surely must
be against the war on terror, which he isn't, and that he is merely
some simplistic peacenik, which again he isn't, or that be believes
Osama bin Laden is innocent merely because he asserts we should abide
our nation's principle of the presumption of innocence and the rule of
law in our courts!

This seems to confuse Hitchens so badly that he thinks Moore is surely
crazy to so solidly violate his own preconceived notions about him!!

Moore is in favor of the war on terror, and not even against the war in
Iran if it is carried out in a principled manner with our allies and
under UN scrutiny as we did with Bosnia, and in fact Moore states that
the Bush administration FAILED to use ENOUGH troops and weapons in
Afghanistan to prevent a lot of Taliban from escaping justice!!

Moore simply wants actions in the world to be carried out under the
UN authority, and our actions be carried out only under the auspices
of our historic American principles.

Bush's father GHW knew how to do that, but GW seems to be guided by
the insane cowboys of the old coldwar NSA.

-Steve
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Roger Gt wrote:
"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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: Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote:
: >Greg Pierce wrote:
: >> You know Moore is full of shit when a Lefty like Christopher
Hitchens
: >> debunks his film. Check this out:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
: > Bookmarked for use against the stupid. Thank you.
:
: Hitchens isn't a Liberal. He's a Socialist. Only
: ignorami equate the two.
:
: "Liberals founded America."

Yes it is true, the founders were liberal, back when it meant
something entirely different!
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No, it's just that the reactionaries who lied about THEM back THEN
were rich *BRITISH* feudalists and you could SHOOT them!

-Steve
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Roger Gt wrote:
"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
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: Roger Gt <not@here.net> wrote:
:
: >"Blair P. Houghton" <b@p.h> wrote in message
: >news:e5JGc.163595$ef4.19665@news.easynews.com...
: >: Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote:
: >: >Greg Pierce wrote:
: >: >> You know Moore is full of shit when a Lefty like
Christopher
: >Hitchens
: >: >> debunks his film. Check this out:
: >http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
: >: > Bookmarked for use against the stupid. Thank you.
: >:
: >: Hitchens isn't a Liberal. He's a Socialist. Only
: >: ignorami equate the two.
: >:
: >: "Liberals founded America."
:
: >Yes it is true, the founders were liberal, back when it meant
: >something entirely different!
:
: No, it still means the same thing. Except to idiots who
: listen to right-wing morons who have labeled anything they
: hate "liberal" to try to redifine the word by association.
:
: I.e., the Media were never Liberal on average, but because
: Limbaugh et al consistently referred to the Media as
: Liberal, that's what a generation of Americans came
: to believe was the Liberal slant. The result is that
: Right-Wing screed houses like FOX News can appear Centrist.
: --Blair

Tell that to my left wing History teacher. He will laugh at you!
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You're merely lying about your teacher.


So will I!
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And you laugh while lying, it gives you away.

-Steve
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John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:21:11 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Letter-to-Editor in today's EV Tribune (Phoenix)....

Moore film falsely depicts flight of Saudis

Michael Moore's movie, "Fahrenheit 9/ll" informs us I that,
immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, while U.S.
airspace was closed to all commercial traffic, Bush arranged for a
special flight to secretly spirit Bush's friends, Bin Laden family
members, safely out of the country.

The reality is the bin Laden's didn't leave the U.S. until U.S.
airspace was re-opened and not at the arrangement of Bush but at the
urging of "terror czar" Richard Clark's of 9/11 commission fame, who
informed them that the U.S. couldn't ensure their safety.

You remember him. He was the guy who told reporters in an August 2002
interview that Bush initiated a project, in the first week of
February, 2001, to "increase CIA resources, for example the covert
action, fivefold (over Clinton's efforts), to go after al-Qaida" and
then went on to make verbatim contradictions of such statements before
the 9/11 commission (with his new Bush-bash book just hitting the
markets).

Moore is laughing at us foolish Americans all the way to the bank.

DENIS EGAN
SCOTTSDALE





...Jim Thompson

Moore is just another step in the mindless cartoonization of American
politics, following in the footsteps of Ivans, Limbaugh, Conason, and
Coulter. Fortunately, we still have have a few thoughtful journalists,
and lots of people with common sense who inhabit the "flyover
territory" between the coasts. Americans are not, by nature, mean
people, and I expect an eventual reaction against all this meanness.

MM is especially annoying. He's getting rich off the American public
by telling us how stupid we are, thus proving himself correct.

John
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I dare you to prove he is "getting rich". Just because it's all that
YOUR sort wants to do doesn't mean it's what everyone else wants, it
only means that you have a hard time identifying with non-criminals.

Your delusion is common in prisons.
-Steve
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Chuck Harris wrote:
I started out as an avid Democrat. All Marylanders must, I suppose.
As I started to get my career in place, I got pissed with the party's
attitude that the state knows what is best for you. At the last time
I looked, 1/3 of the US population works for the "government"... and
more than 50% of my income goes to taxes and fees. Is it any wonder
that the US standard of living is heading for the dump?

I spent a few years vacillating over whether abortion rights were
more important than gun ownership. I finally decided that with the
power that women have achieved in our society, it would be nearly
impossible for the "right-to-lifer's" to completely outlaw abortion,
so gun control became my litmus test for a candidate. If a candidate
was for gun control, I was against absolutely against him!

It is kind of paradoxical, that for the first part of my life as a voter
I fought for legalized abortion, a predominantly women's issue, and for
the second part, I fought against gun control, also a predominantly
women's issue.

My beliefs fit firmly in the libertarian camp, but that doesn't really
matter politically, as the libertarians are a hopeless party. If you
want gun control and legal abortion, you vote democrat. If you want
gun freedom, and abortion, you vote Republican. The women are never
going to allow abortion to become illegal again, so that makes abortion
pretty much a moot issue.

-Chuck
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So the question arises, if you have a brain, then why are you so
simplistic as to be a "litmus" voter? I like guns too, I see them
as the power of the Democratic Majority for Freedom and Economic
Equality. In other words, I'm a Communist.

And I'm VIOLENTLY Pro-Choice, which is hard to do without guns!!

But people are silly when they imagine that guns are a panacea
if they are going to permit the existence of desperate ghettos
and barrios. In AZ and such places there is a lot less inner
city and poor sururban violence, because you have fewer smaller
cities, so you imagine guns are good for everyone. As far as I'm
concerned, you should only be able to have guns at home if you're
willing to be a member of the militia, and I want a BIG fuckin'
militia to keep the Democracy informed and heavily armed against
the threat of the rich!! Like, come TRY and evict me and we'll
blow your fuckin' ass away!!

-Steve
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John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:57:45 -0700, Greg Pierce <trash.can@nospam.com
wrote:

As they say, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

It's about people being dead, instead of merely yelled at or bruised.

John
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When yelling or bruising doesn't do enough good, you start shooting.
Then, for a while, people think the guns are the problem. But the
guns aren't the problem, the reasons people got pissed off are the
problem, and that comes from disenfranchisement in economic society
and nothing else!! Guns are for negotiating with for Economic Equality,
so you don't finally have to USE them, but so nobody gets away with
the kind of theft and crimes against humanity that the rich are
responsible for either!!! Whenever working people strike, and the
police show up with guns, the union should show up with weapons of
WAR! Only when everyone is equally terrified does equality and proper
respect for one another take place!

-Steve
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Chuck Harris wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:57:45 -0700, Greg Pierce <trash.can@nospam.com
wrote:


As they say, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.


It's about people being dead, instead of merely yelled at or bruised.

John

The largest mass murder that has ever occurred in the US was committed with
a jumbo jet. The second largest was committed with a bottle full of gasoline,
then, there was that truck full of fertilizer...

Knives, baseball bats, clubs, bricks, and fists have killed more people in
the US than guns ever will. Guns, however, have done an excellent job of
empowering the weak and allowing them to fend off violent attacks of all kinds...

And in warding off these attacks, most of the time, the gun is never even fired...
And when it is fired, it is usually with non fatal result.

-Chuck Harris
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True, the gun, right after the gastrophetes (belly bow/crossbow) the
bow and arrow and the atlatl, have finally made the weak equal in
formidability to the strong. Finally the gun has made the very weakest
and least skilled nearly as potentially damgerous as the most vicious
bully. This escalation in weaponry is what finally made Majority
Democracy even possible!! Few people realize this, but the development
of these weapons virtually parallels the development of personal-level
democracy in political systems, and the more deadly and personally
hidable the weapon, and the more instantly usable, the closer we have
gotten to not merely political Democracy, but Economic Democracy and
equal wages for every human being's hour of labor, and the recognized
human right to a home unfettered by any feudal capitalist nobility of
inherited privilege or wealth over our lives. I hope that someday we
will finish the process with threat of the detonation of weapons of
mass destruction in rich neighborhoods if the crimes done to the poor
are not totally and entirely repaid and remediated. Only when we are
all equally terrified of one another will we all be free and equal!

-Steve
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"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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As for this newsgroup, why are so many engineers down on Michael Moore?
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Because, as it is, Michael Moore supposedly speaks for the "side of reason",
yet what we see in the behaviour of the European "intellectuals" is that
*any lie*, *any breach of trust* and - I assume - *any vile act* is
acceptable and even praised as long as it serves the overall purpose of "the
cause".

I.O.W: The very people who are supposed to invoke critical thinking are
actually not very different from the Taliban in the way they go about it!

Michael Moore is just another Goebbels.

You guys are usually so logical in everything you do. The biggest and
most obvious lie (and how can you argue the WMD thing) was the one that
got this war started.
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The guys at my local Pizza Joint lost family members to chemical weapons -
so Saddam had them at some point and certainly used them with gay abandon;
It's not a big mistake to assume that a character like Saddam would do that
again.

The Big Mistake - or lie - is believing that one can civilise the Middle
East by invasion; one can, in theory, if one is willing to "civilise" like
Djengis Khan or Cortez, but i suppose that is not what civilisation is
about.

Europe killed 40% of it's entire population in various religious wars before
that Catholic Church, the Fundamentalists of that time, finally was purged
and replaced by secular governments. The removal of the priests from power
caused Trade, Education, Health and Living Standards to grow to the
unprecedented level we enjoy now.

The Arabs will need to go through the same process - the problem is that
cold war politics and dependence on Oil is preventing it from happening.

....and that's the real tragedy - that the West is gleefully supporting any
vile and discusting regime as long as the Oil flows!

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