EV Charging in the UK

[Roger Hayter]

Cursitor Doom <CD@noreply.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:20:36 +0100, TTman wrote:

That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

Liverpool pedestrians are going to do very well financially out of this.
;-

It is already possible in Liverpool, if you leave your house empty for a
few days, to repurchase all your sockets, light switches and water taps
from a local secondhand shop within a few days.




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[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:20:36 +0100, TTman wrote:

That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

Liverpool pedestrians are going to do very well financially out of this.
;->



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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 10:11:59 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:04:35 +0100, "dennis@home"
dennis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/06/2019 22:58, John Rumm wrote:

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only
some on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of those
get blocked by IC engine cars.



They do that a lot in ikea.

It wouldn't happen as much if they didn't put the charging spaces next
to the door.

Pretty soon they are going to be in trouble as the spaces are too small
for disabled spaces so they have no charging spaces for the disabled.



This Tesla charging station is seldom used (it's up in the mountains
where Teslas rarely dare to go, especially in winter)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?dl=0

so when Safeway is crowded, real cars park in the slots.

Larkin is a trip. He hates Teslas so much he tries to rag on them all the time. He has no real facts to use against them so he takes pictures when the chargers aren't used and tries to claim that is the normal case. If either of the two charging stations in Truckee were that minimally used, Tesla would have never built the other one.

That's my Audi. It loves mountains and snow. We can make it from San
Francisco to Truckee on one tank of gas, in a blizzard, with the
heater and headlights on. With 4wd and snow tires, we just smile at
the chain control checkpoint folks.

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key. Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model Y. You may have to wait a while since you will be far from the head of the line, but they will probably be able to get you one by the end of 2020 after they have build a couple hundred thousand.

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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:22:02 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:54:28 +0100, The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Evremonde@bastille.com> wrote:

John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> posted
On 16/06/2019 17:41, Winfield Hill wrote:
John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...
I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway. Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem. Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only
some on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of
those get blocked by IC engine cars.

The newly elected Liberal Democrat council in my London borough tried to
introduce a scheme under which the cost of residents' street parking
permits would quadruple to ÂŁ400 for petrol cars, and quintuple for
diesels, but fall to zero for electric cars. The idea being (so they
said) to encourage people to dump their Dirty Diesels and switch to
electric vehicles.

The imbeciles on the council had to be reminded that the only residents
who needed street parking permits were those who had to park on the
street, and such people couldn't have electric vehicles because it
wouldn't be lawful to charge them at the kerbside.

Many other arguments were raised against the scheme, but that had to be
one of the killers.

San Francisco is governed by its Board of Stupidvisors.

What does that say about the people who live there? They elected them. Stupid is as stupid does.

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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:02:22 AM UTC-4, The Marquis Saint Evremonde wrote:

John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> posted
On 16/06/2019 17:41, Winfield Hill wrote:
John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...
I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway. Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem. Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only
some on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of
those get blocked by IC engine cars.

The newly elected Liberal Democrat council in my London borough tried to
introduce a scheme under which the cost of residents' street parking
permits would quadruple to ÂŁ400 for petrol cars, and quintuple for
diesels, but fall to zero for electric cars. The idea being (so they
said) to encourage people to dump their Dirty Diesels and switch to
electric vehicles.

The imbeciles on the council had to be reminded that the only residents
who needed street parking permits were those who had to park on the
street, and such people couldn't have electric vehicles because it
wouldn't be lawful to charge them at the kerbside.

Many other arguments were raised against the scheme, but that had to be
one of the killers.

How many there already have EVs? I expect the EV issue was not an issue at all and it was killed because the increased tax was not very popular, especially with the diesel owners. Was there a meeting where they discussed this? How many EV owners showed up?

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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:02:20 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 04:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

One problem in the UK is that the PEN can break leaving the safety
earth at a high voltage in the house.

This is flat out wrong. There is no PEN in UK mains wiring. Only three
phase live and one neutral return are present on the poles.

Not sure what you mean by "on the poles".

With open wires, it is easy to count 1-2-3-4 wires in a three phase
feed, not 5 wires. The neutral N is connected to the star point of the
wye connected distribution transformer secondary. Especially with open
wires, there is a risk that the neutral is broken but not all phase
conductors are broken e.g. due to a falling tree. What good would a
separate 5th PE conductor to the transformer star point do ? It is as
likely to fail when a tree falls ?
.
The 4 wire connection is known as TN-C and in older installation could
go into the houses as such. If a grounded socket was needed, make a 2
cm long jumper between the N and PE connectors. The potential of the
PE connector and equipment chassises varied in different sockets,
causing all kinds of problems to computer systems.

It seems in the UK their distribution to the home is mostly underground. So no point in talking about what trees do to power lines.

The real point is that by running a separate earth it doesn't become hot if the neutral is broken. The PEN (combined neutral and protective earth) is a hazard waiting to be an accident.

I have talked to many hams and looked at any number of web sites. PEN is a combined neutral and protective earth. This is done to save on the cost of the wiring.

New houses are wired internally as TN-S i.e. separate N and PE, thus
in all rooms, the PE connector is the same potential in normal
situations.

The same as itself? Or the same regardless of what happens (which is not true if you read about the TN-C-S systems that use a PEN wire to the house)?

Only when it reaches the junction box in the home is the protective earth separated and run through the home.
To keep the circuit safe in the event of a break in the PEN the various metal facilities in the home are "bonded" to the common ground/neutral connection this junction box.

This is equipotential bonding.

This is designated TN-C-S.

Yes

There is no earth rod required at the home. I am told this is a very common arrangement.

This varies between jurisdictions.

In Finland, when building new houses, there is a requirement to
install a continuous thick bare copper wire around the perimeter of
the building a few meters below ground. Both ends of the copper loop,
the PEN from the distribution transformer and the internal wiring N
and PE are connected to the equipotential point. This will keep the
basement at constant potential and apparently also helps conduct
lightning currents from a tree and roots into the grounding loop, thus
preventing lightning current from hitting from below from the roots
into other conductors in the basement.

It just seems a flawed system which has the only advantage of saving a single wire in the run from the transformer to the house. When you run the copper wire around the house this likely ends up using more copper than just running a separate earth wire, no?

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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 10:15:48 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

John Larkin wrote...

Martin Brown wrote:

240 x 100 = 24kW

200A service on 230Vac CT, standard
in MA for new homes, for 5 decades.

Why do you say 230 volts? The US standard is 240 volts.

"240Volt: 240 volts is a specific voltage which may be supplied to a commercial facility in addition or as an alternative to 208 volts. It is provided by the utility as 240 Âą5% volts and should not be used interchangeably with 208 volts."

https://vollrath.com/Vollrath/Parts-Support/FAQ-and-Reference/Reference/North-American-Voltage.htm

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[Tom Gardner]

On 18/06/19 04:14, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:02:22 AM UTC-4, The Marquis Saint Evremonde
wrote:
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> posted
On 16/06/2019 17:41, Winfield Hill wrote:
John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...
I can charge on the street, if I can park within two car spots of my
driveway. Apartment dwellers in a crowded city have a problem.
Several are like that here at work, but they can charge up in our
garage.

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only some
on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of those get
blocked by IC engine cars.

The newly elected Liberal Democrat council in my London borough tried to
introduce a scheme under which the cost of residents' street parking
permits would quadruple to ÂŁ400 for petrol cars, and quintuple for diesels,
but fall to zero for electric cars. The idea being (so they said) to
encourage people to dump their Dirty Diesels and switch to electric
vehicles.

The imbeciles on the council had to be reminded that the only residents who
needed street parking permits were those who had to park on the street, and
such people couldn't have electric vehicles because it wouldn't be lawful
to charge them at the kerbside.

Many other arguments were raised against the scheme, but that had to be one
of the killers.

How many there already have EVs? I expect the EV issue was not an issue at
all and it was killed because the increased tax was not very popular,
especially with the diesel owners. Was there a meeting where they discussed
this? How many EV owners showed up?

On this subject you are just as willfully blind
as Larkin, but in a different direction.

Which bit of his last paragraph is difficult for you
to comprehend?

You have been shown photos illustrating the problem
in another city. Many parts of London (and many
other cities) are the same.

You haven't even been to the UK, yet you claim to know
more about living here than those that do. That makes
you look foolish.

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

Rick C wrote:

> Let me repeat myself yet again. Charge at home, always have a full battery in the morning and never have to drive to a busy, smelly, nasty gas station again.

Once every 3 weeks for 5 minutes? You may have a point in general, but
this kind of argument doesn't help. For me the need to perform any form
of maintenance every single day (charging is a form thereof) would be a
sure deal breaker.

Best regards, Piotr

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

keith@kjwdesigns.com wrote:

> It is not necessarily anything to to do with saving the planet, although that's a nice side benefit.

Is it? Electric energy production efficiency is between 30..43% and
there are no monstrous batteries to be disposed. Mostly plain metal,
fully recyclable. You are, for sure, saving your piece of the planet and
nobody cares about the piece of those folks anyway, so right, what's the
fuss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1zQrXM_7s

Best regards, Piotr

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

bitrex wrote:

> The average UK resident drives well under 10k miles a year

My 3yo car has just broken the always remote limit of 20kkm.
In total, not per year. If it is under 2km one way, I prefer a walk.

Best regards, Piotr

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 4:13:56 PM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 06:11:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

But hey, the mayor approves.

Trump knows that mayor far better than the gormless Londoners who voted
for him do.

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Of course the UK won't able to afford the food it imports after it has left the EU, which would put the UK negotiators between a rock and a hard place, but people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage fly off to Paris when they feel hungry.

Cursitor Doom may not have access to these kinds of solutions, and he can't think far enough ahead to realise that he might need them.

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[charles]

In article <qead95$1q97$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

On 17/06/2019 15:20, TTman wrote:
On 17/06/2019 10:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/06/2019 03:05, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2019 09:41:26 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...

I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway. Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem. Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

You're allowed to put a power cord across the public right-of-way
(sidewalk, boulevard, etc.)?

No, can't see that being looked upon favourably. There are a few
kerbside charging points on the street though.

Here is a relatively new example:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105814/uk-firm-launches-public-ev-chargers-embedded-into-kerb




That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

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Of course, in the UK drivers of heavy vans or HGV's never park halfway
up the pavement do they (shattering all the paving stones in the process) ?

don't forget "Off the Road Vehicles"

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[Andrew]

On 17/06/2019 15:20, TTman wrote:

On 17/06/2019 10:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/06/2019 03:05, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2019 09:41:26 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...

I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway.  Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem.  Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

You're allowed to put a power cord across the public right-of-way
(sidewalk, boulevard, etc.)?

No, can't see that being looked upon favourably. There are a few
kerbside charging points on the street though.

Here is a relatively new example:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105814/uk-firm-launches-public-ev-chargers-embedded-into-kerb




That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

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Of course, in the UK drivers of heavy vans or HGV's never park halfway
up the pavement do they (shattering all the paving stones in the process) ?

 

[Andrew]

On 17/06/2019 04:51, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:05:31 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On 16 Jun 2019 09:41:26 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...

I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway. Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem. Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

You're allowed to put a power cord across the public right-of-way
(sidewalk, boulevard, etc.)?

Product idea: an outlet sort of like a GFD, but it cuts off if too
many KWH are used in some time period. For garages and motels and
things that don't want electric car owners stealing their power.

The title does actually say "Charging in the UK" and trailing
mains cables carrying 230V across pavements is definately
not allowed, from the trip hazard alone. In the UK we have
a growing 'Compo culture' from a group collectively
referred to (by supermarket and shops) as 'Slippers and trippers'

 

[Martin Brown]

On 17/06/2019 18:04, John Rumm wrote:

On 17/06/2019 15:20, TTman wrote:
On 17/06/2019 10:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/06/2019 03:05, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2019 09:41:26 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...

I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway.  Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem.  Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

You're allowed to put a power cord across the public right-of-way
(sidewalk, boulevard, etc.)?

No, can't see that being looked upon favourably. There are a few
kerbside charging points on the street though.

Here is a relatively new example:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105814/uk-firm-launches-public-ev-chargers-embedded-into-kerb

That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

Yup it does seem like an odd design, not sure what it is supposed to
achieve over the more traditional street side charging points.

A cull of people who don't watch where they put their feet with every
step. What sort of clueless halfwit installs trip hazards on a kerb?

The small pole thing looks more plausible although they will get very
interesting when SUVs and delivery vans mount the kerb and smash them.
You only have to look at the state of roadside bollards and smashed up
paving slabs to see how it will end.

I wonder how well they will work after being crushed?

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:47:52 AM UTC-4, Piotr Wyderski wrote:

Rick C wrote:

Let me repeat myself yet again. Charge at home, always have a full battery in the morning and never have to drive to a busy, smelly, nasty gas station again.

Once every 3 weeks for 5 minutes? You may have a point in general, but
this kind of argument doesn't help. For me the need to perform any form
of maintenance every single day (charging is a form thereof) would be a
sure deal breaker.

Best regards, Piotr

Oh, I didn't realize you don't use a cell phone.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:35:00 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 18/06/19 04:14, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:02:22 AM UTC-4, The Marquis Saint Evremonde
wrote:
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> posted
On 16/06/2019 17:41, Winfield Hill wrote:
John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...
I can charge on the street, if I can park within two car spots of my
driveway. Apartment dwellers in a crowded city have a problem.
Several are like that here at work, but they can charge up in our
garage.

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only some
on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of those get
blocked by IC engine cars.

The newly elected Liberal Democrat council in my London borough tried to
introduce a scheme under which the cost of residents' street parking
permits would quadruple to ÂŁ400 for petrol cars, and quintuple for diesels,
but fall to zero for electric cars. The idea being (so they said) to
encourage people to dump their Dirty Diesels and switch to electric
vehicles.

The imbeciles on the council had to be reminded that the only residents who
needed street parking permits were those who had to park on the street, and
such people couldn't have electric vehicles because it wouldn't be lawful
to charge them at the kerbside.

Many other arguments were raised against the scheme, but that had to be one
of the killers.

How many there already have EVs? I expect the EV issue was not an issue at
all and it was killed because the increased tax was not very popular,
especially with the diesel owners. Was there a meeting where they discussed
this? How many EV owners showed up?

On this subject you are just as willfully blind
as Larkin, but in a different direction.

Which bit of his last paragraph is difficult for you
to comprehend?

You have been shown photos illustrating the problem
in another city. Many parts of London (and many
other cities) are the same.

You haven't even been to the UK, yet you claim to know
more about living here than those that do. That makes
you look foolish.

Often those closest to a problem can be blind to the solution.

My post above is simply referring to the math. EVs in the UK are around 200,000 out of 37 million registered. That's about 0.5%. No, I don't think there was any real issue with the number of EVs charging on the curb. It is very much more likely the other 99.5% didn't like the bigger tax.

How much more simple can it be?

But then maybe you are right. Maybe the issue is a bigoted hatred for EVs. Did anyone at the meeting chant "Make the UK Great Again"?

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[Tom Gardner]

On 18/06/19 14:05, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:35:00 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 18/06/19 04:14, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:02:22 AM UTC-4, The Marquis Saint
Evremonde wrote:
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> posted
On 16/06/2019 17:41, Winfield Hill wrote:
John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...
I can charge on the street, if I can park within two car spots of
my driveway. Apartment dwellers in a crowded city have a problem.
Several are like that here at work, but they can charge up in our
garage.

Its the transition that will probably be most problematic where only
some on street parking spots have access to a charger, and lots of
those get blocked by IC engine cars.

The newly elected Liberal Democrat council in my London borough tried
to introduce a scheme under which the cost of residents' street
parking permits would quadruple to ÂŁ400 for petrol cars, and quintuple
for diesels, but fall to zero for electric cars. The idea being (so
they said) to encourage people to dump their Dirty Diesels and switch
to electric vehicles.

The imbeciles on the council had to be reminded that the only residents
who needed street parking permits were those who had to park on the
street, and such people couldn't have electric vehicles because it
wouldn't be lawful to charge them at the kerbside.

Many other arguments were raised against the scheme, but that had to be
one of the killers.

How many there already have EVs? I expect the EV issue was not an issue
at all and it was killed because the increased tax was not very popular,
especially with the diesel owners. Was there a meeting where they
discussed this? How many EV owners showed up?

On this subject you are just as willfully blind as Larkin, but in a
different direction.

Which bit of his last paragraph is difficult for you to comprehend?

You have been shown photos illustrating the problem in another city. Many
parts of London (and many other cities) are the same.

You haven't even been to the UK, yet you claim to know more about living
here than those that do. That makes you look foolish.

Often those closest to a problem can be blind to the solution.

More often ignorance of a situation leads people to
be armchair quarterbacks proselytising too simplistic
"solution" that won't work.

Mechanical engineers hate people that think everything
can be made from string and bent metal. Or there's the
"its only software", etc etc etc.


> My post above is simply referring to the math.

Actually only part of the arithmetic, and for the
easy part of the problem. Unfortunately the difficult
bits need to be addresses too.

EVs in the UK are around
200,000 out of 37 million registered. That's about 0.5%. No, I don't think
there was any real issue with the number of EVs charging on the curb. It is
very much more likely the other 99.5% didn't like the bigger tax.

How much more simple can it be?

But then maybe you are right. Maybe the issue is a bigoted hatred for EVs.
Did anyone at the meeting chant "Make the UK Great Again"?

What on earth are you blathering about?

You refuse to believe you might not know everything
relevant, just like people suffering from Dunning-Krueger
syndrome.

In order to avoid recognising your ignorance, you seem
to want to invent conspiracy theories.

Away from electronics, you and Larkin are the two sides
of the same coin.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:35:54 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/2019 18:04, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/06/2019 15:20, TTman wrote:
On 17/06/2019 10:36, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/06/2019 03:05, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On 16 Jun 2019 09:41:26 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

John Rumm wrote...

Street charging is a more difficult problem to solve...

I can charge on the street, if I can park within two
car spots of my driveway.  Apartment dwellers in a
crowded city have a problem.  Several are like that
here at work, but they can charge up in our garage.

You're allowed to put a power cord across the public right-of-way
(sidewalk, boulevard, etc.)?

No, can't see that being looked upon favourably. There are a few
kerbside charging points on the street though.

Here is a relatively new example:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105814/uk-firm-launches-public-ev-chargers-embedded-into-kerb

That looks like it's dead in the water.... How long before it gets
trashed by vandals/water/dirt etc?.Madness and a trip hazard to all
those who walk with a mobile welded to their ear... LOL

Yup it does seem like an odd design, not sure what it is supposed to
achieve over the more traditional street side charging points.

A cull of people who don't watch where they put their feet with every
step. What sort of clueless halfwit installs trip hazards on a kerb?

The small pole thing looks more plausible although they will get very
interesting when SUVs and delivery vans mount the kerb and smash them.
You only have to look at the state of roadside bollards and smashed up
paving slabs to see how it will end.

I wonder how well they will work after being crushed?

Just install giant induction loops under every street.

Or big lasers on lamp posts to beam power down onto cars.

Or - best idea so far - store electric power in liquid form so a car
can stash a lot in a lightweight tank instead of heavy batteries.

Protons would work. We just need a way to stick them together.


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

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