EV Charging in the UK

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:54:12 -0700 (PDT), "andy@hotmail.com"
<keith@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:33:31 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
...
I'm not a shower designer, but the method used works well and is
reliable, I guess it's cheaper too. And you'd still need the flow
control knob unless you restrict the flow to something which 10kW at the
coldest input could heat adequately.

Cheers

That sounds like a lot of complexity to take a shower. We have a
gas-fired 80 gallon hot water tank and two knobs in the shower, hot
and cold.
..

Many older houses were not plumbed for hot water - it would be even more complex and expensive to put in the required plumbing.

Why would it expensive to add plumbing to old houses. Just install the
tubing _outside_ the house as they did in UK.

Of course the obvious objection is that the exposed tubing will easily
freeze. The counter argument is that exposed tubing is easy to melt
with a blowtorch

>I remember as a child using a tin bath in front of the fire because the house didn't have a bathroom or even plumbing.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:35:21 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:16:34 +0300, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers.
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though.

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

What do you consider the lifetime an ICE car to be ? 10 years ? 20
years ?

There has not been a large deployment of EVs in the last two decades.
More like 5 years, so we do not have a long time experience.

All kinds of batteries have a limited number of charge/discharge
cycles, during which the storage capacity is gradually reduced.

Around 500 for Li-Ion. LiFePO4 is better but lower capacity to begin
with.

None is so blind as those who refuse to see.

https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/

There is no single type of lithium ion battery. That is one of the things Tesla has worked on with Panasonic to develop such an excellent drive train, their particular blend of the materials added to the lithium ion battery to give it fast charging and long life.

Or do you claim that Tesla has invented some completely new chemistry
that doesn't suffer from storage capacity degrading ?

Yeah. Fanboi chemistry. See no evil...

You really like to double down, eh? For a car with the long range battery it is about 2 charges per 1,000 km so in 250,000 km, 500 charges with typically less than 10% degradation.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

Very willful. It isn't hard to find information on this. Much better than continuing to be ignorant of the facts.

--

Rick C.

-++++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Martin Brown]

On 20/06/2019 03:54, andy@hotmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:33:31 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: ...
I'm not a shower designer, but the method used works well and is
reliable, I guess it's cheaper too. And you'd still need the
flow control knob unless you restrict the flow to something which
10kW at the coldest input could heat adequately.

Cheers

That sounds like a lot of complexity to take a shower. We have a
gas-fired 80 gallon hot water tank and two knobs in the shower,
hot and cold.
..

Many older houses were not plumbed for hot water - it would be even
more complex and expensive to put in the required plumbing.

Originally this is true and they were plumbed in soldered lead pipe as
the name suggests. Places like older village halls still have single
cold supply and hot water made where it is needed. So do some private
houses in Belgium - CO poisoning from such gas water heaters
malfunctioning was a notable risk to expats living there.

I remember as a child using a tin bath in front of the fire because
the house didn't have a bathroom or even plumbing.

How old are you? Or was it a particularly remote location.

Just about all post war build has domestic hot water and a hot water
tank. Most older UK residential properties gained H+C copper plumbing
and CH sometime during the 1970's at the very latest.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 18/06/2019 15:23, John Larkin wrote:

My next-door neighbor Steve has always wanted a Tesla, so he saved up
and bought a model 3. He hated it. "It does what it wants, not what I
want."

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

I always made an effort in the US to get a Japanese made hire car to
avoid these problems. I like a car that goes where I ask it to go.

> I don't see it around any more. Maybe he got rid of it.

I am no particular fan of the Telsa or any other EV, although I am
evaluating at the moment whether or not one could do what I want.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:33:48 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers.
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though.

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

I don't get how some people can be such fanbois. For *anything*.

Thanks for proving me right. You are totally ignorant of the facts. That's why you have to attack the person, not the argument.

I get it. You don't know anything about EVs, but you want to hate them. Got it!

I got it, already. Long ago! You're Tesla's #1 fanboi - Musk's li'l
brown puppy.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 3:09:43 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/06/2019 15:23, John Larkin wrote:

My next-door neighbor Steve has always wanted a Tesla, so he saved up
and bought a model 3. He hated it. "It does what it wants, not what I
want."

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

I always made an effort in the US to get a Japanese made hire car to
avoid these problems. I like a car that goes where I ask it to go.

You definitely need to drive a Tesla. Mine is the model X which is relatively speaking the big lumbering battleship of the Tesla line and it is still very responsive and sure footed.

I had a model S for a few days and they are much more nimble feeling closer to a sports car. I test drove a model 3 and it is also nimble.

All of them have an amazing feel to the accelerator pedal. Not only can you give it the softest of touches and get an equally soft response, when at speed letting off the pedal lets you control the engine braking which is much stronger than in an ICE. You hardly need to use the actual brake pedal.

I had a pickup truck pull out right in front of me the other day and I had to jam my foot on the brake, virtually to the floor. The car just stopped. The wheels didn't pulse or chirp and certainly didn't lock up. The car decelerated as much as the tires would allow and came to a stop.

There is nothing about the handling of a Tesla you will ever not love.

I don't see it around any more. Maybe he got rid of it.

I am no particular fan of the Telsa or any other EV, although I am
evaluating at the moment whether or not one could do what I want.

What are you concerned about?

--

Rick C.

+---- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+---- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:33:48 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers..
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though..

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

I don't get how some people can be such fanbois. For *anything*.

Thanks for proving me right. You are totally ignorant of the facts. That's why you have to attack the person, not the argument.

I get it. You don't know anything about EVs, but you want to hate them. Got it!

I got it, already. Long ago! You're Tesla's #1 fanboi - Musk's li'l
brown puppy.

You could try learning something rather than just mindlessly posting your drivel.

I bought the model X because I couldn't test drive a model 3. They had a few on the lot for delivery, but I couldn't even sit in one. I'm on the tall side and it turns out the model X is the only one that I don't hit my head getting in and out. So I have the right one for me anyway. The S was a pretty nice car though. When the roadster comes out I will want to test drive one.

--

Rick C.

+---+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+---+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 08:09:38 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/2019 15:23, John Larkin wrote:

My next-door neighbor Steve has always wanted a Tesla, so he saved up
and bought a model 3. He hated it. "It does what it wants, not what I
want."

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

I always made an effort in the US to get a Japanese made hire car to
avoid these problems. I like a car that goes where I ask it to go.

Japanese cars tend to have "American" feels, sort of soft and
insulated from the road. Both Japanese and US cars have got better
from their worst period.

German cars feel good, BMW and Audi and even many VWs. My Audi has
amazing, beautiful driving dynamics; its angular position would look
great on an oscilloscope. Its electronics was programmed by the German
version of code idiots.

I recall Suburus feeling like trucks, but I haven't driven one lately.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 06:41:34 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:33:48 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers.
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though.

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

I don't get how some people can be such fanbois. For *anything*.

Thanks for proving me right. You are totally ignorant of the facts. That's why you have to attack the person, not the argument.

I get it. You don't know anything about EVs, but you want to hate them. Got it!

I got it, already. Long ago! You're Tesla's #1 fanboi - Musk's li'l
brown puppy.

You could try learning something rather than just mindlessly posting your drivel.

Why? You'll just go into #1 fanboi mode, as you always do.

I bought the model X because I couldn't test drive a model 3. They had a few on the lot for delivery, but I couldn't even sit in one. I'm on the tall side and it turns out the model X is the only one that I don't hit my head getting in and out. So I have the right one for me anyway. The S was a pretty nice car though. When the roadster comes out I will want to test drive one.

*WE*KNOW* It's all you talk about. Whenever the subject of EVs comes
up you just cannot resist making a fool of yourself by bragging about
your POS Tesla.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 11:27:34 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 06:41:34 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:33:48 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers.
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though.

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

I don't get how some people can be such fanbois. For *anything*.

Thanks for proving me right. You are totally ignorant of the facts. That's why you have to attack the person, not the argument.

I get it. You don't know anything about EVs, but you want to hate them. Got it!

I got it, already. Long ago! You're Tesla's #1 fanboi - Musk's li'l
brown puppy.

You could try learning something rather than just mindlessly posting your drivel.

Why? You'll just go into #1 fanboi mode, as you always do.

I bought the model X because I couldn't test drive a model 3. They had a few on the lot for delivery, but I couldn't even sit in one. I'm on the tall side and it turns out the model X is the only one that I don't hit my head getting in and out. So I have the right one for me anyway. The S was a pretty nice car though. When the roadster comes out I will want to test drive one.

*WE*KNOW* It's all you talk about. Whenever the subject of EVs comes
up you just cannot resist making a fool of yourself by bragging about
your POS Tesla.

I don't know if they will survive long term, but you have to admit (or maybe you don't) that the Tesla story is pretty amazing. Just starting a US car company that will sell millions of cars is a story all in its own. Add in the fact they are showing the world wide auto industry that EVs can be made not just practical but fantastic to own and drive is truly amazing.

I really don't care one bit that you don't appreciate EVs or that you don't appreciate that I like mine. You are in no way significant in this matter.. You are merely the dog nipping at the heels of others. I think this is because it is what you prefer to be.

If you want to learn something about EVs, then learn. Take one for a test drive. Talk to some owners. Or you can continue to be the yappy little dog trying to nip from behind.

--

Rick C.

+--+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:01:32 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 11:27:34 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 06:41:34 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:24:47 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:33:48 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:27:56 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:46:57 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:01:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:36:18 -0700, Rick C wrote:

That thing is so small. It looks like it should have a wind up key.
Jeeze, I see why he has Tesla envy. John, just give in to your desires
and get a model 3. But then you probably should get in line for a model
Y.

And John, don't leave it too long, act fast before Tesla goes bust!

After Tesla dies, where are people going to get replacement batteries?

The junk yard. Maybe somebody like this?

https://batteryjoe.com/builds-rebuilds/

It's going to be interesting. Teslas may go the way of PT Cruisers.
One day people wake up and say "Hey, that's ugly!"

Nah. There will always be people who demand even more smug.

I drove my first hybrid last week. After figuring out that it was a
hybrid (it was a rental and no one told me what it was) it was
"interesting". Fairly nice on MPG (~43). I'd buy one for a commuter,
long before I'd buy an electric. A rechargeable hybrid might be a
reasonable compromise. Battery cost/life is still an issue, though.

I don't get why people insist on being ignorant about issues where they only need to get a little information. There is no indication that EV batteries will wear out any faster than the engine and transmission of ICE autos. In fact, the data shows them to be much longer lived.

But if you are ignorant of the facts, then you will say things like, it is "still and issue".

Like they say, you can't fix stupid, especially when it's willful.

I don't get how some people can be such fanbois. For *anything*.

Thanks for proving me right. You are totally ignorant of the facts. That's why you have to attack the person, not the argument.

I get it. You don't know anything about EVs, but you want to hate them. Got it!

I got it, already. Long ago! You're Tesla's #1 fanboi - Musk's li'l
brown puppy.

You could try learning something rather than just mindlessly posting your drivel.

Why? You'll just go into #1 fanboi mode, as you always do.

I bought the model X because I couldn't test drive a model 3. They had a few on the lot for delivery, but I couldn't even sit in one. I'm on the tall side and it turns out the model X is the only one that I don't hit my head getting in and out. So I have the right one for me anyway. The S was a pretty nice car though. When the roadster comes out I will want to test drive one.

*WE*KNOW* It's all you talk about. Whenever the subject of EVs comes
up you just cannot resist making a fool of yourself by bragging about
your POS Tesla.

I don't know if they will survive long term, but you have to admit (or maybe you don't) that the Tesla story is pretty amazing.

Sure it's amazing. Amazing that one shill can find so many suckers,
inside and outside the government.

>Just starting a US car company that will sell millions of cars is a story all in its own. Add in the fact they are showing the world wide auto industry that EVs can be made not just practical but fantastic to own and drive is truly amazing.

It's easy if you have the backing of the US government and never
expect to actually make money. There are several more in Tesla's wake
(which will further dilute Musk's market).

>I really don't care one bit that you don't appreciate EVs or that you don't appreciate that I like mine. You are in no way significant in this matter. You are merely the dog nipping at the heels of others. I think this is because it is what you prefer to be.

Obviously you do. You care deeply about what everyone here thinks
about your toy. You shout it into the ether every chance you're
given.

>If you want to learn something about EVs, then learn. Take one for a test drive. Talk to some owners. Or you can continue to be the yappy little dog trying to nip from behind.

I know everything I need to know. No one, other than overpaid virtue
signaling leftists, would want one if they had to pay the entire cost.

 

On Friday, 21 June 2019 00:09:43 UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/06/2019 15:23, John Larkin wrote:
He hated it. "It does what it wants, not what I
want."

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The Tesla cars are similar to European cars in their suspension and handling. They are nothing like traditional American cars.

The target demographic for the Model 3 is BMW 3 series owners (that I used to have).

Tesla has done a very creditable job - the handling is extremely good - it is undoubtedly helped by the lower polar moment of inertia with the main mass in the centre under the cabin rather than at the ends.

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

The Tesla cars have much more than adequate power and the accelerator feel is exceptional. I only have the normal Model 3 RWD long range the performance and dual motor versions have even more power.

The air conditioner has its own separate motor so doesn't detract from road wheel power.

The steering is similar to European cars - it does have adjustable force feedback, I normally use the comfort setting but my wife prefers it sportier having come from a Mazda Miata.

The suspension is also much more like European cars but a bit stiffer than I would like, but that would probably compromise handling.

I always made an effort in the US to get a Japanese made hire car to
avoid these problems. I like a car that goes where I ask it to go.

I do the same and detest American cars in general for those reasons.
....

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:27:56 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:54:12 -0700 (PDT), "andy@hotmail.com"
keith@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:33:31 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
...
I'm not a shower designer, but the method used works well and is
reliable, I guess it's cheaper too. And you'd still need the flow
control knob unless you restrict the flow to something which 10kW at the
coldest input could heat adequately.

Cheers

That sounds like a lot of complexity to take a shower. We have a
gas-fired 80 gallon hot water tank and two knobs in the shower, hot
and cold.
..

Many older houses were not plumbed for hot water - it would be even more complex and expensive to put in the required plumbing.

How barbaric. I get pissed because the water heater is at the other
end of the house from the bathroom - something like 70' away.

We have less lag, because our entire property is 24 feet wide.


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On Friday, 21 June 2019 00:10:44 UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
....

Many older houses were not plumbed for hot water - it would be even
more complex and expensive to put in the required plumbing.

Originally this is true and they were plumbed in soldered lead pipe as
the name suggests. Places like older village halls still have single
cold supply and hot water made where it is needed. So do some private
houses in Belgium - CO poisoning from such gas water heaters
malfunctioning was a notable risk to expats living there.

I remember as a child using a tin bath in front of the fire because
the house didn't have a bathroom or even plumbing.

How old are you? Or was it a particularly remote location.

This was in the 1950's in Challock, a small village in central Kent, the house was wooden and probably built before WW1.

The water was originally from a well with outside toilet - no plumbing. My father built a bathroom and put some plumbing in when I was a bit older.

We moved in the late 50's. The new owners paid the princely sum of 420 pounds and promptly knocked it down and built three modern (for the late 50s) detached houses on the property.

kw

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:27:56 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

How barbaric. I get pissed because the water heater is at the other
end of the house from the bathroom - something like 70' away.

We have less lag, because our entire property is 24 feet wide.

I spent a few days with my brother who lives in a town house downtown. It felt a lot like living in a slum. Every room is in a row and none very wide. Upstairs is worse because of the hallway. Outside is no better. A shared driveway to space enough to park one car each. Park on the street if you want to have a barbecue. I literally felt claustrophobic after a few days.

My place is not large, but it has a deck, two acres and a view across the lake to the sunset. It may not have tons of restaurants next door, but neither does it have the noise and bother of neighbors within feet or the masses of humanity.

The one thing I fear from retirement is having to live in a place like a town house.

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[Clive Arthur]

On 21/06/2019 08:09, Martin Brown wrote:

<snipped>

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

Bikers joke that you can tell which way a US car is about to turn
because it will lurch the other way first.

Cheers
--
Clive

 

[Clive Arthur]

On 22/06/2019 17:22, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:31:24 +0100, Clive Arthur
cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/06/2019 08:09, Martin Brown wrote:

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I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

Bikers joke that you can tell which way a US car is about to turn
because it will lurch the other way first.

Cheers

When I loaded my mandatory toolbox in the trunk of my MG, I centered
it carefully to keep the car balanced.

MG never really understood that they were supposed to keep the water out
and the oil in, rather than the other way round.

Cheers
--
Clive

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:31:24 +0100, Clive Arthur
<cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/06/2019 08:09, Martin Brown wrote:

snipped

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

Bikers joke that you can tell which way a US car is about to turn
because it will lurch the other way first.

Cheers

When I loaded my mandatory toolbox in the trunk of my MG, I centered
it carefully to keep the car balanced.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 17:28:00 +0100, Clive Arthur
<cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/06/2019 17:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:31:24 +0100, Clive Arthur
cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/06/2019 08:09, Martin Brown wrote:

snipped

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

Bikers joke that you can tell which way a US car is about to turn
because it will lurch the other way first.

Cheers

When I loaded my mandatory toolbox in the trunk of my MG, I centered
it carefully to keep the car balanced.


MG never really understood that they were supposed to keep the water out
and the oil in, rather than the other way round.

Cheers

Brit motorcycles leaked oil too.

Honda made the miraculous decision to split the crankcase
horizontally, instead of vertically.

But the Sprite was a lot of fun. You could leave the top down in the
rain and not get wet as long as you kept over 30 MPH or so.

We drove it to Aspen one winter. Had to shut the heater off to keep
the engine warm.


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 11:46:43 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 23/6/19 2:28 am, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 22/06/2019 17:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:31:24 +0100, Clive Arthur
cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/06/2019 08:09, Martin Brown wrote:

snipped

I have found that to be true of most US made hire cars. They are OK
at a
steady speed of 55mph on the straight but for anything else forget it!

The "accelerator" pedal is used to control engine noise and after the
air conditioner has used as much as it wants any residual torque
remaining is eventually transferred to the road wheels. The steering
such as it is is interpreted by the car as a vague hint which side of a
straight line to veer and the tyres invariably squeal on corners. The
suspension is so soft that you could easily get sea sick in one.

Bikers joke that you can tell which way a US car is about to turn
because it will lurch the other way first.

Cheers

When I loaded my mandatory toolbox in the trunk of my MG, I centered
it carefully to keep the car balanced.


MG never really understood that they were supposed to keep the water out
and the oil in, rather than the other way round.

They seem to think that a cross-wind is a good enough reason to change
lanes, too.

Joseph Lucas, the Prince of Darkness.



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