Electrify I-40, I-95 and I-5

[krw]

In article <gi1et0$no7$1@news.parasun.com>, rob@verific.com says...

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.23acfd0a436b8fec98a448@news.individual.net...
In article <7YG0l.9811$yr3.2919@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
rob@verific.com says...

"krw" <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.23ac1c8dbfb2d39e9896fc@news.individual.net...
....
You would not need 40 quads.
Currently the entire US transportation sector uses 5 quads per year in
effective (wheel drive) energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USEnFlow02-quads.gif

And you're going to use efficiency fairies to get that 5q of
mechanical energy from 5q of electrical energy?

It's a ball park number, pumpkin.

You ought to go back and play in the park, kid.


Where are your numbers, Eistein ?

First of all, 50% increase is not a doubling.

Your efficiency fairies are hard at work again, I see.


Which math did you use to explain how 50% increase constitutes a doubling ?

Second, night time electricity use is low right now, and that's exactly
when vehicles will be charged up.

Why not use that electricity for heating?

??

Get rid of the stationary
oil usage before you go after what oil is *really* *really* good
for.


We got rid of stationary oil in the 70s/80s. Where have you been ?

So the CAPACITY of power generation does not need to change for a long
time to come.

Nonsense. You're going to double load and need no more capacity.
You certainly *do* have some fairies in your bonnet.


Where are your numbers, Einstein ?

Now to get this power to the vehicles, a electrified highway system
sounds
like one of the most expensive solutions, especially since people that
do
not enter the freeway on their dayly drive would be excluded from
using this
absurtly expensive system, and most energy would be used during peak
hours.
So plug-in hybrids, charged at night, make a lot more sense...

Maybe more sense than efficiency fairies, but still no sense. A
greenie weenie plan, to be sure.


Greenie weenie ? Sure, whatever.

Yep. ...and green behind the ears too.


Where are your numbers, Einstein ?

Dumbass, think for a minute instead of spouting your science
fiction.

But it's economically vital though, because it will get us off imported
oil. And that saves billions per day and then some...

Nonsense. That's a political problem, *easily* solved.


It's a political problem for sure.
And that's indeed about to be solved.

No, it's about to get *MUCH* worse. You leftists are about to see to
that.

--
String up the greenie weenies (and lawyers) first.

Bad day ?

Me? Why would you say that? It'll be a great day when they string
up the green weenies.


--
Keith

 

[krw]

In article <vlg8k4dmisj0f5vlrvqcqh38lspg4c2qu5@4ax.com>,
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com says...

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:34:42 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Because I'm allergic to unicorns. I'll use Highway 1.

At least you're no longer trying to fake a tech background.

Fake? I'm an EE, and I design electronics.

What do you do?

He's a fairy.

--
Keith

 

[Varactor]

On Dec 13, 9:27 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

A better idea: electric vehicle battery-swap
Batteries are too expensive.  CO2 can be reduced by several times more
by running directly off the grid.
I tend to agree with mrdarrett.
Battery swap stations are easier and cheaper than a (so far completely
hypothetical) electrified hieway system.

Battery replacement cost is twice that of the energy that goes through
the batteries.

Eliminating or greatly reducing this cost is a great savings.

But for the next 10 years or so and maybe longer, simply using
electric-drive (series) hybrid and Plug-In hybrids probably makes the most
sense for everyone.

This is certainly true if you are planning to electrify highways.

Compressed air, however, is a cheaper _overall_ energy storage system
than electric.  A hybrid - air system is somewhat less efficient than
hybrid electric and must cycle more often, but eliminating battery
costs more than makes up for these shortcomings.

You are so ignorant of the facts behind energy storage systems it
laughable. Go and try to understand where most of the energy goes when
you compress a gas. The come back and figure in the inefficiency of
mechanical compressors.

SHEESH.

 

[Varactor]

On Dec 13, 3:07 pm, Claude Hopper <boobooililili...@roadrunner.com>
wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Magnetic induction cable buried in road with pick up coils on vehicles
to run electric and charge batteries. Batteries used on secondary roads.
Total electric transportation.

And the energy losses are???

YOU ARE AN IDIOT shut up until you learn some science.

 

[Varactor]

On Dec 13, 4:28 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <f76dncw4F5tQhd7UnZ2dnUVZ_o_in...@giganews.com>,
boobooililili...@roadrunner.com says...



Bret Cahill wrote:
When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Magnetic induction cable buried in road with pick up coils on vehicles
to run electric and charge batteries. Batteries used on secondary roads..
Total electric transportation.

You're not an electrical engineer, are you?

Kind of obvious really. But like all good AGWers it doesn't stop him

pontificating.

Cheers

 

[Eeyore]

krw wrote:

Locomotives have no batteries. Your argument is plain silly.

Actually some modern Canadian built shunters / 'yard locomotives' do. Avoids running the engine when they're standing idle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Goat

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bret Cahill wrote:

STOP SNIPPING HEADERS YOU CUNT !

Magnetic induction cable buried in road with pick up coils on vehicles
to run electric and charge batteries. Batteries used on secondary roads.
Total electric transportation.

And the energy losses are???

If you are too ignorant to calculate the losses then you need to get a
Pell Grant and git yerself some book larning.

No, that would be you that needs to do that. Efficient magnetic coupling
requires very small distances incompatible with vehicle suspension travel.

Graham

 

[Bret Cahill]

�It'll be a great day when they string
up the green weenies.

This brings us back to the question.

If rightard trash cannot win politically and git pushed too far by
them liberaloons, is you gonna spree local to reduce your carbon
footprint?

Maybe shoot up the trailer park and save some gas?


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

That's a political problem

Kind of like the political problem of GOP bottom fishing in the info
age.

All Repugs can get are fundies and trailer trash.

What a dumb shit.

Just remember to spree local when you "git pushed too far."

Shoot up your double wide for a lower carbon footprint.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Magnetic induction cable buried in road with pick up coils on vehicles
to run electric and charge batteries. Batteries used on secondary roads.
Total electric transportation.

And the energy losses are???

If you are too ignorant to calculate the losses then you need to get a
Pell Grant and git yerself some book larning.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Why cant they use Fed funds to install a charging station at the rest
stops and truck stops?

Fed funds? Where do Fed funds come from?

Is this guy just acting stupid or is he really that stupid in real
life?

The same place that bailed out Wall Street, no strings attached, with
$850 billion.

And who wants to hang out in a souvenir shop for two hours, every 100
miles, while your car is being charged?

Charging times can be reduced with smaller cells. �The real problem is
the cost of the batteries is twice that of the electricity itself.

Imagine how many cars would be parked. A gas station fills a car in a
few minutes, and sometimes all 12 or so pumps are busy. Scale that to
2-hour fill-up times.

Truckers already spend 2 hours at every truck stop, whether they buy
fuel or not.

Anyway, unless you believe in the infinite oil theory, the only
plausible shovel ready solution is to start electrifying the highways.

Bret Cahill

Why panic now, when it's much more efficient to panic later? As we run
out of oil, prices will increase and people will adjust.

This one is about as smart as a plate of overcooked ramen noodles.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

Because I'm allergic to unicorns. I'll use Highway 1.

At least you're no longer trying to fake a tech background.

Fake? I'm an EE,

Let me guess.

You can't remember where you got your degree.

You are posting under a handle.

You went to college under an assumed name.

How do I know we'll never find out about your background?

Because a real EE could calculate the losses from induction.

You are too ignorant to set up the problem.

and I design electronics.

Let me guess.

There isn't any evidence whatsoever you ever did anything technical in
your entire life.

You keep all your accomplishments top secret.

You do everything under an assumed name.

How do I know this?

Because all you do is type "LOL!" all day long.

You are an IDIOT.

Maybe you write Harliquin romance novels but you don't do anything
other than entertainment.

Not that entertainment isn't necessary too . . .


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

Because I'm allergic to unicorns. I'll use Highway 1.

At least you're no longer trying to fake a tech background.

Fake? I'm an EE, and I design electronics.

What do you do?

He's a fairy.

Just remember to spree local when you "git pushed too far." And don't
shoot up your trailer park too much either as the ER staff find it
challenging to operate on obese patients.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

Some 'efficiency' related ones are here :
- regenerative braking and 'down-the-hill' energy recovery, as well as accelleration is all-electric (thus highly efficient).
- the ICE in a series hybrid only needs to provide power to overcome rulling and air drag losses, thus can be much smaller, thus
more efficient.

Not enough energy to bother with.

Unless you're sitting in traffic it's most of the energy consumed in
transportation.

Are you really this ignorant?

- the ICE in a series hybrid can run at highly efficient RPMs, thus more efficient.

Not enough savings to offset the weight.

No numbers, no reasoning.

Why are you posting here if you have nothing to say?

Overall, it's not difficult to make a series hybrid with that is 3x more efficient than a ICE-only version.

3X??? �You think you can get to 75% conversion efficiency?

You think conventional drive trains get 25% efficiency with a typical
driving profile?

Are you this stupid in real life or are you just acting ignorant for
fun?

Actually that is also the case for series-hybrid passenger vehicles. The 'Volt' for example gets 60 mpg when running with it's
generator only.

It's also the size of my glove box.

Just remember to spree local when you "git pushed too far." Shoot up
yer double wide.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid
electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

A better idea: electric vehicle battery-swap
Batteries are too expensive. �CO2 can be reduced by several times more
by running directly off the grid.
I tend to agree with mrdarrett.
Battery swap stations are easier and cheaper than a (so far completely
hypothetical) electrified hieway system.

Battery replacement cost is twice that of the energy that goes through
the batteries.

Eliminating or greatly reducing this cost is a great savings.

But for the next 10 years or so and maybe longer, simply using
electric-drive (series) hybrid and Plug-In hybrids probably makes the most
sense for everyone.

This is certainly true if you are planning to electrify highways.

Compressed air, however, is a cheaper _overall_ energy storage system
than electric. �A hybrid - air system is somewhat less efficient than
hybrid electric and must cycle more often, but eliminating battery
costs more than makes up for these shortcomings.

You are so ignorant of the facts behind energy storage systems

Well don't keep us settin' on the edges of our chairs.

Tell us some facts.

it
laughable. Go and try to understand where most of the energy goes when
you compress a gas.

Into the gas.

The come back and figure in the inefficiency of
mechanical compressors.

You know of any electronic compressors?

Are you really this ignorant / stupid / moronic / retarded when you
vote?

You must have been one of the idiots that voted for Dumbya.


Bret Cahill

 

[Jamie]

Piscesdream wrote:

On Dec 13, 8:03 am, John Larkin
jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:17:14 -0800 (PST), Piscesdream

piscesdrea...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 11, 9:05 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:

When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Why cant they use Fed funds to install a charging station at the rest
stops and truck stops?

Fed funds? Where do Fed funds come from?

And who wants to hang out in a souvenir shop for two hours, every 100
miles, while your car is being charged?

Imagine how many cars would be parked. A gas station fills a car in a
few minutes, and sometimes all 12 or so pumps are busy. Scale that to
2-hour fill-up times.

John

All States already get Federal funds for Interstate Highway systems.
Maintenance, repairs and all of those lovely rest stops come directly
from those Federal Dollars.
well then we're getting ripped off!

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Piscesdream]

On Dec 13, 8:03 am, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:17:14 -0800 (PST), Piscesdream

piscesdrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 9:05 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
When you are off these interstates you run your hybrid electric or EV
on gas or batteries respectively and when you are on these interstates
you run off the grid.

Conventional drive trains could be used along side the newer until it
is cheaper to upgrade.

Phasing in digital TV is much more difficult.

Bret Cahill

Why cant they use Fed funds to install a charging station at the rest
stops and truck stops?

Fed funds? Where do Fed funds come from?

And who wants to hang out in a souvenir shop for two hours, every 100
miles, while your car is being charged?

Imagine how many cars would be parked. A gas station fills a car in a
few minutes, and sometimes all 12 or so pumps are busy. Scale that to
2-hour fill-up times.

John
All States already get Federal funds for Interstate Highway systems.

Maintenance, repairs and all of those lovely rest stops come directly
from those Federal Dollars.

 

[krw]

In article <3c34b769-4a6e-4077-8dc6-
0d32ea295b7a@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, BretCahill@peoplepc.com
says...

Some 'efficiency' related ones are here :
- regenerative braking and 'down-the-hill' energy recovery, as well as accelleration is all-electric (thus highly efficient).
- the ICE in a series hybrid only needs to provide power to overcome rulling and air drag losses, thus can be much smaller, thus
more efficient.

Not enough energy to bother with.

Unless you're sitting in traffic it's most of the energy consumed in
transportation.

Nonsense. Waste heat is most of the energy. You can't SALVAGE
enough braking energy to be worthwhile. It's got to be stored
somewhere and that is not free.

Are you really this ignorant?

Indeed it appears you are. You do a good job of showing it, anyway.

- the ICE in a series hybrid can run at highly efficient RPMs, thus more efficient.

Not enough savings to offset the weight.

No numbers, no reasoning.

You've supplied numbers? You certainly haven't provided any
reasoning.

Why are you posting here if you have nothing to say?

Indeed why are you posting here? Your "ideas" are simply wishes
with no foundation in science.

Overall, it's not difficult to make a series hybrid with that is 3x more efficient than a ICE-only version.

3X??? ?You think you can get to 75% conversion efficiency?

You think conventional drive trains get 25% efficiency with a typical
driving profile?

Show us *your* numbers. No handwaving please.

Are you this stupid in real life or are you just acting ignorant for
fun?

Indeed you must, because you certainly are good at fantasy.

Actually that is also the case for series-hybrid passenger vehicles. The 'Volt' for example gets 60 mpg when running with it's
generator only.

It's also the size of my glove box.

Just remember to spree local when you "git pushed too far." Shoot up
yer double wide.

Projecting again.

--
Keith

 

[krw]

In article <9eecdb8a-6cbd-4226-aa5f-331726d23909
@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>, BretCahill@peoplepc.com says...

That's a political problem

Kind of like the political problem of GOP bottom fishing in the info
age.

All Repugs can get are fundies and trailer trash.

What a dumb shit.

Just remember to spree local when you "git pushed too far."

What an ignorant dumbass...

Shoot up your double wide for a lower carbon footprint.

....projecting again.


--
Keith

 

[krw]

In article <95abecd9-044e-4a67-9788-303b6436bd53
@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, BretCahill@peoplepc.com says...

?It'll be a great day when they string
up the green weenies.

This brings us back to the question.

If rightard trash cannot win politically and git pushed too far by
them liberaloons, is you gonna spree local to reduce your carbon
footprint?

"spree local"? What an ignorant asshole...

Maybe shoot up the trailer park and save some gas?

....projecting again.

--
Keith