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On 01/04/2023 19:41, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 16:11:50 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Yep. If those crops are planted. The world runs on rice, wheat,
and corn, none of which fix nitrogen.
Once upon a time crop rotation was fairly well understood. Too bad it
doesn\'t fit into the factory farm model.
It does, and it is used.
consistent monoculture encourages competitive organisms.
Unlike you, I live in someone elses farm. I have had wheat, barley,
broad beans, oil seed rape. All depending on the EU grant this year and
what pests were in the fields
On 31/03/2023 17:37, Scott Lurndal wrote:
and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold
That seems to be US only. The big impacts are likely to be in poorer
countries.
On 31/03/2023 17:37, Scott Lurndal wrote:
and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold
That seems to be US only. The big impacts are likely to be in poorer
countries.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 07:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:53:53?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:
snip
Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.
No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.
And shelter and power. You can freeze to death without shelter - it\'s called dying of exposure -
Talk about proper clothing.
and access to some kind of power make it a lot easier to stay alive in very cold weather.
If you have sufficient food, the metabolism will produce at least 100 W. As long as you have food and the cloths keep the generated heat at your body, you will survive. Inuits have survived on their long hunting trips.
Prolonged hot weather kills people too, and enough power to drive effective air-conditioning can prevent that, if you can afford the air-conditioner.
In a hot environment you have to get rid of the heat generated by metabolism and in addition the heat entering from the environment.
With sufficient water intake, you can sweat out this heat. In a hot but dry environment, you can directly evaporate that water. Things get
uncomfortable, if the relative humidity is also high.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:
The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.
If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.
There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.
In Extinction Rebellion have their wayÃÂ there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.
And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.
30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.
Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.
To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"
and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold
Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.
There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.
Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.
No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:53:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott
Lurndal)
wrote:
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:
The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the
equipment required to do that standing around unused waiting
for the occasions when power is available.
If the climate activists have their way there will not be any
other source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any
electricity when the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.
There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its
called this week) conference going on soon. On the early morning
news there was an activist from California and one from the UK
spouting off about we have the technology of Windmills and Solar
(nothing else) to replace all fossil fuel generation by 2030.
In Extinction Rebellion have their wayÃÂÃ there will be no oil
to lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make
tyres for their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.
And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.
30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders
for aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any
potential to contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the
CO2 in the atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined
into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.
Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former
instead of burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the
atmosphere to start dropping and still provide the chemical
feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even the
oil companies will still be profitable.
To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world
cannot use oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle
can remove on short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal.
Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start
the process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage
plant growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants,
which can have a larger impact on nutrition and food safety
worldwide. \"
and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-
Heat-or-Extreme-Cold
Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.
There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at
the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big
deal. Only idiots die of temperature.
Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.
No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.
Try that for a month or two and let us know how it went.
lounging around
a hotel suite when you\'re supposedly surviving on snakes and urine.
Kinsey could teach Bear Grylls lessons -- particularly the lounging around
a hotel suite when you\'re supposedly surviving on snakes and urine.
On 03/04/2023 16:47, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
When the species outgrows the carrying capacity it will die back. Unless
dogooders send food, that is.
When they trade it for guns to kill each other instead of starving.
There\'s a certain *directness* about Africa one grows to love.
On 31/03/2023 15:15, John Larkin wrote:
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
On 04/04/2023 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/04/2023 19:55, Andrew wrote:
On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just use
an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.
ROFL. If only.
Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s
you have been fed a line of bullshit, and not only have you swallowed
it, you have learnt to enjoy it.
Ah, yes, I seem to remember some historic programs when
Lizzie2 opened Windscale - \"Too cheap to meter\" (Just
ignore the cleanup and decommissioning costs)
Again all completely wrong
Much of the clean-up and decommissioning costs are due to the
development being rushed and slanted towards producing supplies for
weapons rather than for energy.
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 20:21:31 +0100, SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 04/04/2023 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/04/2023 19:55, Andrew wrote:
Ah, yes, I seem to remember some historic programs when
Lizzie2 opened Windscale - \"Too cheap to meter\" (Just
ignore the cleanup and decommissioning costs)
Again all completely wrong
Much of the clean-up and decommissioning costs are due to the
development being rushed and slanted towards producing supplies for
weapons rather than for energy.
I\'m sure I read uranium was just as likely to run out as oil and gas.
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/03/2023 15:15, John Larkin wrote:
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
And Russia where it\'s currently too cold for crops?
They do well with wheat, barley and potatoes. What more do you need for
ÒÞÔÚÐ and ßØÒÞ?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 02:46:40 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/03/2023 15:15, John Larkin wrote:
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
And Russia where it\'s currently too cold for crops?
They do well with wheat, barley and potatoes. What more do you need for
водка and пиво?
On 21/04/2023 17:58, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 02:46:40 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/03/2023 15:15, John Larkin wrote:
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
And Russia where it\'s currently too cold for crops?
They do well with wheat, barley and potatoes. What more do you need for
водка and пиво?
They don\'t do well in the tundra. Only thing human edible there is reindeer
Same mainly goes for most of the taiga.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 19:38:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21/04/2023 17:58, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 02:46:40 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/03/2023 15:15, John Larkin wrote:
The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.
CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
And Russia where it\'s currently too cold for crops?
They do well with wheat, barley and potatoes. What more do you need
for водка and пиво?
They don\'t do well in the tundra. Only thing human edible there is
reindeer Same mainly goes for most of the taiga.
Exactly, loads of tundra becoming farmable would counteract deserts
forming.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 19:38:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid..invalid> wrote:
On 21/04/2023 17:58, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 02:46:40 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris
vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.
And Russia where it\'s currently too cold for crops?
They do well with wheat, barley and potatoes. What more do you need for
водка and пиво?
They don\'t do well in the tundra. Only thing human edible there is reindeer
Same mainly goes for most of the taiga.
Exactly, loads of tundra becoming farmable would counteract deserts forming.