Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[rbowman]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:04:22 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:02:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-
work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then
make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for
communications, but fucking powerful.

Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

ROFLMAO!

Coal and oil and gas are free too.
The cost is in extracting them and turning them into electricity.

There is no cost once the wind turbine is up. But the coal power
station keeps on eating coal.

Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

 

[Peeler]

On 23 Apr 2023 20:00:19 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

In your big mouth perhaps? There\'d be enough space in it for them!

--
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\"Usenet is my blog... I don\'t give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
MID: <iteioiF60jmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 23/04/2023 21:00, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:04:22 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:03:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:02:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy
somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-
work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then
make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for
communications, but fucking powerful.

Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

ROFLMAO!

Coal and oil and gas are free too.
The cost is in extracting them and turning them into electricity.

There is no cost once the wind turbine is up. But the coal power
station keeps on eating coal.


Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Turbines fail about every 3 months. Usually gearboxes or bearings. They
are serviced by fossil fuelled helicopters boats and 4WD vehicles.

A typical nuclear reactor stays up for about a year between outages, or
even longer.

Coal is free too. Just like the wind. But you have to dig it up and
transport it. But at least it\'s stored energy.

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <kalh2jF22l6U19@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> writes

Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Break them up, and use them in the foundations of new nuclear power
stations?
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 24/04/2023 10:28, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <kalh2jF22l6U19@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bowman@montana.com> writes




Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Break them up, and use them in the foundations of new nuclear power
stations?

They are balsa wood foam and fibreglass. 80% made from fossil fuel .
Useless as foundations for anything. Better to burn them - get some
energy back at least


--

\"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch\".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:31:04 +0100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

Please confirm that you were being sarcastic?

I have never been sarcastic even once in my life.

Some people might believe you.

They always should.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:19:35 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 24/04/2023 10:28, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <kalh2jF...@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
bow...@montana.com> writes

Turbines keep on eating blades. Where do the damaged blades wind up?

Break them up, and use them in the foundations of new nuclear power
stations?

They are balsa wood foam and fibreglass. 80% made from fossil fuel .
Useless as foundations for anything. Better to burn them - get some energy back at least.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/wind/articles/carbon-rivers-makes-wind-turbine-blade-recycling-and-upcycling-reality-support

It seems you can recycle them. The longer blades will exploit carbon fibre, which will probably be derived from fossil carbon, which has been diverted from being used as fuel.

Burning glass fibre doesn\'t work. You could burn carbon fibre, but it would be a terrible waste if you could recycle it, and it seems that you can

\"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch\".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

The Natural Philosopher seems to end up in that ditch quite often. He\'s natural in the Shakespearean sense - he\'s never learnt anything useful.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 10:59:59 +0100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

On 31-Mar-23 1:54 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much
power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra
power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power
stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the
gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so, 16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight or
fluid not be pumped up there?

A one tonne block has a weight of 9800 Newtons, so lifting it through
one metre takes 9800 Joules, which is 0.0027 kWh.

And that\'s a problem, if you want to use lifting mass to store energy,
because you need to lift a lot of mass through some reasonable distance
to store a worthwhile amount.

For example lifting a thousand tons through 100 metres, stores less than
300 kWh.

One thousand tonnes is already multiples of the mass that a typical wind
turbine tower is designed to support. It\'s just not practical

Considering how hard it is to cycle uphill, I was surprised when I went to a small dry ski slope and the tow rope to get you up there was running off a 12V car battery! I didn\'t see them swap over the battery for the few hours I was there.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:27:33 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:08:56 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:51:29 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.

That\'s why I said below \"unless you change the throttle\".

So unless you change the throttle, the frequency would change. Since power stations are steam driven, I guess perhaps you could have a throttle in the pipe of steam feeding it? You could also turn down the gas jets to heat the boiler appropriately.

Of course steam plants have throttle valves and feedwater controls and
burner controls. Lots of other valves.

Can this not be done instantaneously? The steam valve would stop the power output immediately. The gas jets can be turned off immediately to prevent boiling over.

The thermal time constant of a big boiler, with its many parts, is
long, minutes at least. The feedwater is already hot. You can cut the
flames instantly but if you soon after shut off the steam outlet
valves, you will blow a safety.

Blowing a safety valve is a very big deal. Expect a lot of paperwork.

So you have a diverter to waste a bit of energy while it calms down.

I once saw a safety valve being tested. Fun, since I had nothing to do
but watch. And listen. There were so many official witnesses they were
hard to pack into the engine room.

The star of the show was the guy standing next to the valve with a
wrench. He had a lot of interesting scars.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:38:14 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 16:41:55 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 15:02, micky wrote:

Having a smart meter means they no longer have to send meter readers, so
that saves a lot of money in the long run.

Using your argument about 15 minutes for a smart meter installation per
house not costing a lot the 30 seconds to read a meter once every 12
months means that the payback time for just the labour is more more than
30 years. If the meter takes 1 hour to install the saving payback time
for not having a meter reader is 120 years

A gas meter will need a new battery in 10 years, or less

Before smart meters, ours was read once a month and it certainly took
more than 30 seconds per meter.

Why? Always been once a year here.

In many neighborhoods the meter reader would drive between houses.
Ours could walk the block.

Some houses here have a tiny window on the front, with the meter
behind that. Some apartments have all the meters in the basement and
the meter guy had a key.

Ours was inside the house, they had to catch you in.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:25:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is now
about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it? Only changes
here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.

No you\'re not. It\'s capped at 39p.

> I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p

Bollocks. 20 years ago it was more like 13p. In the 80s, my parents paid 10p/3p at night.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:26:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid..invalid> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 17:40, SteveW wrote:
On 12/04/2023 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 12:27, Andrew wrote:
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it? Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw
10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .

That\'s not what my electricity company is saying to me

Payment Plan Budget Direct Debit (Monthly)
About my Direct Debit
Monthly payment amount £265 (collected on 23rd of each month)
My unit rates Electricity day unit rate: 50.60p per kWh
Electricity night unit rate: 8.59p per kWh
Daily standing charge: 43.76p per day

Ah, you are paying a higher than cap day rate, because you are getting a
lower night rate. For average consumption level and pattern, that should
still average out at 34p per unit over the full 24 hours.

Does it fuck

Where did you find an economy 7? I used to get 20% off at night, but they even took that away.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 23:51:49 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 18:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 17:40, SteveW wrote:
On 12/04/2023 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 12:27, Andrew wrote:
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity
is now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it? Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw
10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .

That\'s not what my electricity company is saying to me

Payment Plan Budget Direct Debit (Monthly)
About my Direct Debit
Monthly payment amount £265 (collected on 23rd of each month)
My unit rates Electricity day unit rate: 50.60p per kWh
Electricity night unit rate: 8.59p per kWh
Daily standing charge: 43.76p per day

Ah, you are paying a higher than cap day rate, because you are getting
a lower night rate. For average consumption level and pattern, that
should still average out at 34p per unit over the full 24 hours.

Does it fuck

It would if you were an average user, with an average spread of use
during the day. Much of your use at 50p and the rest at 8.5p.

For us it doesn\'t work, despite having an EV. With a family of 5, doing
lots of washing, drying and cooking that can\'t be shifted into the
night, the bulk at at the higher rate and charging the car overnight,
would leave us worse off than just doing everything, when we want, at
the 34p rate.

Very easy to stick the washer/dryer/dishwasher on a timer.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 13:15:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/04/2023 12:27, Andrew wrote:
On 10/04/2023 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/04/2023 15:18, Ed P wrote:
On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
margin).

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is
now about 10 times what it used to be.
Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,


Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it? Only
changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

I am paying 50p a unit.
I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p


No you aren\'t. As a UK domestic user your electricity is capped
at about 35p/KwH, as is everyone elses, at massive cost to
future taxpayers who will be paying off the escalating debt
that Lettuce and Kwackers dumped on everyone .

That\'s not what my electricity company is saying to me

Payment Plan Budget Direct Debit (Monthly)

Why not do what I do and pay what you actually use each month, instead of the always wrong amount they make up, causing you or them to owe the other hundreds of pounds?

Contrary to the bullshit they tell you, it\'s not helpful to you. Better to pay more in winter and less in summer, then you can afford holidays!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 01:30:35 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 12:59, Andrew wrote:

Network Rail have spent billions upgrading and improving a system that
was run into the ground during WW2 and was then simply patched up for
decades by BR, who, as everyone old enough will remember, ran such a
fantastic, clean, punctual service with helpful, friendly staff (*NOT*)

Our local rail service was called the Misery Line and had rolling stock
that had been scrapped by other regions.

If company X sells cheaper tickets for a slower, stopping service then
clearly you cannot use that ticket to travel along the same line on
a faster service which charges higher prices. You, the passenger have
to choice. With BR you had no choice.

BR had some strange pricing as well. I can remember that in my area a
day return ticket was cheaper than a day single (way) ticket.

Cars have always been cheaper and more convenient. Fuck the railways.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 15:11:40 +0100, none albert <albert@cherry.> wrote:

In article <u10qc9$25eh6$1@dont-email.me>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
You don\'t have to run multiple cabling systems.
You can\'t practically speaking.


The UK did it by splitting the distribution network off from generating
completely. They effectively rent usage of the national distribution
grid network proportionate to how much power they put into it.

That makes the distribution grid a natural monopoly.
Is the government is not in control of that, the company that owns it
can screw the rest of the economy over, no end.
The theoretical possibility is that it has gotten so bad, that
investment in a parallel grid pays off.
In those scenario\'s the economy at large is bound to suffer.

If they make a massive profit, just buy shares in them.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:45:17 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:53:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

Try that for a month or two and let us know how it went.

It\'s what animals do, why do you consider humans weaker than other animals?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 02:35:40 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 09:45:17 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:53:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage
plant growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants,
which can have a larger impact on nutrition and food safety
worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-
Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at
the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big
deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

Try that for a month or two and let us know how it went.


Kinsey could teach Bear Grylls lessons -- particularly the lounging around
a hotel suite when you\'re supposedly surviving on snakes and urine.

All those guys are sissies. Building shelters and all that shit.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:33:37 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:45:17 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:53:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:

<snip>

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

Try that for a month or two and let us know how it went.

It\'s what animals do, why do you consider humans weaker than other animals?

Humans are (mostly) social animals. Commander Kinsey does seem to have the kind of brain defect that blinds him to this.

Cooperation allows some groups of human to outperform other animals (and mobs of anti-social creeps like Commander Kinsey) but he\'s unconscious of this.

Keeping the cooperation working takes work on the relationships involved and most of us are genetically engineered to enjoy that, and experience a sense of loss when we don\'t get it. Commander Kinsey doesn\'t get that at all, and presumably doesn\'t reciprocate when other people try to involve him in that sort of interaction, reacting like the self-centred prick he looks like here.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:55:10 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 23/04/2023 05:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:38:46 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:37:44 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com
wrote:

America has an obesity \'problem\'. All that trudging means lots
of exercise for the meter readers

I think it\'s partly genetic. Some people didn\'t evolve with ice cream
and cheesecake and giant cheezy pizzas. Africans and Pacific Islanders
tend to blimp out on a junk-food diet.

Some people remain skinny and have hot visible abs even though they
don\'t watch what they eat. It\'s evolution. If being obese kills you
off, there will be no more obese people.

But what makes no sense at all is ugly people should never get the
chance to reproduce. They should have all died out. Who the hell is
fucking fat ugly folk?

That\'s what beer is for.

Skinny sexy folk look even better with beer too.