Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 11:02:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:07:15 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:13:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:36:21 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 05:51:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and
off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting
less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.

My \'61 Alfa Romeo Giulia had driver control of idle speed by turning the
choke knob (pull for choke), a very nice feature with Solex or SU
carburetors. They just don\'t make them like that anymore .

I met a woman in a gay bar, and she said her MG Midget was running
bad. We went outside and it was idling at 3000 RPM, so I whipped out
my Swiss Army knife and turned it down to 1000. Then I married her.

Why were you and a woman in a gay bar if you were both heterosexual?

Eating, drinking, the things one does in a burger-joint bar.

Why pick a gay bar?

> Our kid loved the place too. Great pinball machines.

Ah, showing him the wide variety of weirdos.

One Halloween night a bunch of guys pulled up outside in the actual
Wells Fargo stagecoach, horses and all.

The what?

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:39:42 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 11:02:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:07:15 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:13:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:36:21 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 05:51:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and
off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting
less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.

My \'61 Alfa Romeo Giulia had driver control of idle speed by turning the
choke knob (pull for choke), a very nice feature with Solex or SU
carburetors. They just don\'t make them like that anymore .

I met a woman in a gay bar, and she said her MG Midget was running
bad. We went outside and it was idling at 3000 RPM, so I whipped out
my Swiss Army knife and turned it down to 1000. Then I married her.

Why were you and a woman in a gay bar if you were both heterosexual?

Eating, drinking, the things one does in a burger-joint bar.

Why pick a gay bar?

Good burgers, good beer, good music, lots of fun people.

Why not?

Our kid loved the place too. Great pinball machines.

Ah, showing him the wide variety of weirdos.

Her. Stay in Kentucky or whatever if you want everybody to be the
same, exactly like you.

One Halloween night a bunch of guys pulled up outside in the actual
Wells Fargo stagecoach, horses and all.

The what?

A stagecoach is a form of covered transportation that is powered by a
team of horses.

https://www.globetrotting.com.au/the-wells-fargo-stagecoach/

Google Wells Fargo for details of their stagecoach.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:01:46 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:17:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:34:26 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:50:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I can\'t be bothered looking that up. Do you have to have 50 billion
different names for each side? Conservative, Republican, GOP,
Liberal,
Democrat, WTF? Five words for 2 parties.

Not all conservatives are Republican and not all Republicans are
conservative.

Dafuq? There\'s only two major parties. I know of:

And I don\'t belong to either. I sometimes vote for the Republican
candidate because the Democrat is a complete waste of oxygen. Beyond that
neither party matches my preferences very well.

Same here. In Scotland we have two major parties and three smaller ones.
Major are Labour (like your Democrat) and Conservative (also called Tory) (like your Republican).
Smaller ones are Green (treehuggers), Liberal Democrat (also like your Democrat but more sensible, they want to legalise marijuana and change the voting system to proportional representation), and SNP (a bunch of retarded Hitlers).

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:30:46 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:01:46 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:17:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:34:26 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:50:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I can\'t be bothered looking that up. Do you have to have 50 billion
different names for each side? Conservative, Republican, GOP,
Liberal,
Democrat, WTF? Five words for 2 parties.

Not all conservatives are Republican and not all Republicans are
conservative.

Dafuq? There\'s only two major parties. I know of:

And I don\'t belong to either. I sometimes vote for the Republican
candidate because the Democrat is a complete waste of oxygen. Beyond that
neither party matches my preferences very well.

Same here. In Scotland we have two major parties and three smaller ones.
Major are Labour (like your Democrat)

The British Labour Party is a lot further to the left than the American Democrat Party. They are democratic socialists.

> and Conservative (also called Tory) (like your Republican).

The UK conservative party is a lot further to the left than US Republicans. They don\'t like the UK National health service, but they don\'t actively hate it, and none of them are gun nuts nor rabidly anti-abortion.

> Smaller ones are Green (treehuggers), Liberal Democrat (also like your Democrat but more sensible, they want to legalise marijuana and change the voting system to proportional representation), and SNP (a bunch of retarded Hitlers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party

The SNP is actually the biggest political party in Scotland, and want to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom and back into the European Union - not exactly a Hitler-like ambition. Commander Kinsey really is an ignorant wanker.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[boB]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 00:32:39 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:30:46?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:01:46 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:17:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:34:26 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:50:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I can\'t be bothered looking that up. Do you have to have 50 billion
different names for each side? Conservative, Republican, GOP,
Liberal,
Democrat, WTF? Five words for 2 parties.

Not all conservatives are Republican and not all Republicans are
conservative.

Dafuq? There\'s only two major parties. I know of:

And I don\'t belong to either. I sometimes vote for the Republican
candidate because the Democrat is a complete waste of oxygen. Beyond that
neither party matches my preferences very well.

Same here. In Scotland we have two major parties and three smaller ones.
Major are Labour (like your Democrat)

The British Labour Party is a lot further to the left than the American Democrat Party. They are democratic socialists.

and Conservative (also called Tory) (like your Republican).

The UK conservative party is a lot further to the left than US Republicans. They don\'t like the UK National health service, but they don\'t actively hate it, and none of them are gun nuts nor rabidly anti-abortion.

Smaller ones are Green (treehuggers), Liberal Democrat (also like your Democrat but more sensible, they want to legalise marijuana and change the voting system to proportional representation), and SNP (a bunch of retarded Hitlers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party

The SNP is actually the biggest political party in Scotland, and want to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom and back into the European Union - not exactly a Hitler-like ambition. Commander Kinsey really is an ignorant wanker.

Those are pretty good descriptions I think.

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist.

From what I understand, DSism seems it could be bad for those who know
the ins and outs of running that business.. That is, they may have
good knowledge and intuition about how things should be run in that
industry.

Kind of like an engineer\'s union taking over the whole company they
work for.

boB

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 6:13:20 PM UTC+10, boB wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 00:32:39 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:30:46?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:01:46 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:17:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:34:26 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:50:04 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I can\'t be bothered looking that up. Do you have to have 50 billion
different names for each side? Conservative, Republican, GOP,
Liberal,
Democrat, WTF? Five words for 2 parties.

Not all conservatives are Republican and not all Republicans are
conservative.

Dafuq? There\'s only two major parties. I know of:

And I don\'t belong to either. I sometimes vote for the Republican
candidate because the Democrat is a complete waste of oxygen. Beyond that
neither party matches my preferences very well.

Same here. In Scotland we have two major parties and three smaller ones.
Major are Labour (like your Democrat)

The British Labour Party is a lot further to the left than the American Democrat Party. They are democratic socialists.

and Conservative (also called Tory) (like your Republican).

The UK conservative party is a lot further to the left than US Republicans. They don\'t like the UK National health service, but they don\'t actively hate it, and none of them are gun nuts nor rabidly anti-abortion.

Smaller ones are Green (treehuggers), Liberal Democrat (also like your Democrat but more sensible, they want to legalise marijuana and change the voting system to proportional representation), and SNP (a bunch of retarded Hitlers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party

The SNP is actually the biggest political party in Scotland, and want to take Scotland out of the United Kingdom and back into the European Union - not exactly a Hitler-like ambition. Commander Kinsey really is an ignorant wanker.

Those are pretty good descriptions I think.

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist.

From what I understand, DSism seems it could be bad for those who know
the ins and outs of running that business.. That is, they may have
good knowledge and intuition about how things should be run in that
industry.

Kind of like an engineer\'s union taking over the whole company they work for.

That\'s the cooperative movement, which is anarcho-syndicalisn with a less threatening name. It works fine. but banks don\'t like lending money to left-wingers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:14:12 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:39:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 01:40, John Larkin wrote:

Do generators absorb power? That sounds kinda oxymoronish.

No, just simplistic. A DC motor connected to a second DC motor, of
the permanent magnet type, will allow you to turn one shaft and see the other
shaft rotate. The one that has mechanical power input, acts as a generator; the
one that has electrical power input, acts as a motor.

But the two ends are the same thing.

To a lesser extent, in a short interval spike, all the rotating machinery on
a single AC line acts as a flywheel-load or flywheel-generator (depending on
the sign of the spike).

Wind turbines, though, aren\'t generating directly into the grid, but into
conversion electronics ( they have to match grid frequency despite the
operating rotary speeds that vary with the wind). One wouldn\'t expect
reversibility of that conversion.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 1:13:20 AM UTC-7, boB wrote:

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist.

From what I understand, DSism seems it could be bad for those who know
the ins and outs of running that business.. That is, they may have
good knowledge and intuition about how things should be run in that
industry.

Kind of like an engineer\'s union taking over the whole company they
work for.

Or, is it kinda like the staff of Shockley Semiconductor quitting that company
and banding together to form \'Intel\'? The \"those who know\"
identification is a facile argument that can be pointed in any direction; that makes it
virtually useless.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

> Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 21:03:59 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 19:24:39 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.


So what? Climate change makes the extremes worse, on both ends.

Look at the links I posted nearby. Life keeps getting better.

Try to find something other than dropbox to support your theories.

Idiot, dropbox is a place to share pictures, it doesn\'t reveal the source.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

> Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

 

[boB]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 1:13:20?AM UTC-7, boB wrote:

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist.

From what I understand, DSism seems it could be bad for those who know
the ins and outs of running that business.. That is, they may have
good knowledge and intuition about how things should be run in that
industry.

Kind of like an engineer\'s union taking over the whole company they
work for.

Or, is it kinda like the staff of Shockley Semiconductor quitting that company
and banding together to form \'Intel\'? The \"those who know\"
identification is a facile argument that can be pointed in any direction; that makes it
virtually useless.

And when was the last time you risked everything, even your house to
fund a startup company ? Not long ago for me.

boB

 

[boB]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 1:13:20?AM UTC-7, boB wrote:

Bernie Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist.

From what I understand, DSism seems it could be bad for those who know
the ins and outs of running that business.. That is, they may have
good knowledge and intuition about how things should be run in that
industry.

Kind of like an engineer\'s union taking over the whole company they
work for.

Or, is it kinda like the staff of Shockley Semiconductor quitting that company
and banding together to form \'Intel\'? The \"those who know\"
identification is a facile argument that can be pointed in any direction; that makes it
virtually useless.

Semiconductors were a new thing back then and Shockley did NOT know
how to run a business. His co-horts obviously did know how.

boB

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

> Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

> Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

The problem there is that it\'s not economic to have the equipment
required to do that standing around unused waiting for the occasions
when power is available.

If the climate activists have their way there will not be any other
source of backup equipment after 2030 to provide any electricity when
the wind doesn\'t blow or the sun doesn\'t shine.

There seems to be another climate emergency (or whatever its called this
week) conference going on soon. On the early morning news there was an
activist from California and one from the UK spouting off about we have
the technology of Windmills and Solar (nothing else) to replace all
fossil fuel generation by 2030.

In Extinction Rebellion have their way there will be no oil to
lubricate the moving parts for the windmills, no oil to make tyres for
their bicycles and no tarmac for their cycle lanes.


And the GOP\'ers just want us to burn it all up.


30% of a BBL of crude is used as chemical feedstocks and binders for
aggregate (asphalt/macadam). Those, leaving aside any potential to
contaminate soil or water, do not contribute to the CO2 in the
atmosphere. It\'s the other 70% of the crude, refined into fuels,
that when burned add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Using the limited remaining reserves of crude for the former instead of
burning it up will allow the CO2 fraction in the atmosphere to start dropping and
still provide the chemical feedstocks we need to feed 8 billion humans. Win-Win. Even
the oil companies will still be profitable.

To be carbon neutral doesn\'t necessarily mean that the world cannot use
oil; just not burn more than the natural carbon cycle can remove on
short timescales (e.g annually). Likewise coal. Eventually, of course,
both resources will be exhausted - there\'s no reason not to start the
process of weaning off them now, and rapidly.


The reason to not wean rapidly is that the planet has billions of
terribly poor people who often live on top of huge coal and oil and
gas resources.

CO2 is good for them too; it makes crops grow. Warm is good; cold
kills.




\"While increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere encourage plant
growth, they also reduce the nutritional value of plants, which can have
a larger impact on nutrition and food safety worldwide. \"

and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

Not many peope die of heat or cold in the USA. It\'s poor countries
where people die from extremes. Google it. Most sources say that cold
is the big killer.

There was a heatwave in France. People died. I was on holiday there at the time. when I was hot, I simply swam in a lake or the sea. no big deal. Only idiots die of temperature.

> Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:22:00 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:39:42 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 11:02:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:07:15 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:13:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:36:21 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 05:51:29 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:01:09 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:

If you think of a car engine idling, when you turn the lights on and
off, you hear the engine changing speed due to the alternator putting
less load on it.

Not my car. It has an engine control computer and servos to a constant
idle RPM.

My \'61 Alfa Romeo Giulia had driver control of idle speed by turning the
choke knob (pull for choke), a very nice feature with Solex or SU
carburetors. They just don\'t make them like that anymore .

I met a woman in a gay bar, and she said her MG Midget was running
bad. We went outside and it was idling at 3000 RPM, so I whipped out
my Swiss Army knife and turned it down to 1000. Then I married her.

Why were you and a woman in a gay bar if you were both heterosexual?

Eating, drinking, the things one does in a burger-joint bar.

Why pick a gay bar?

Good burgers, good beer, good music, lots of fun people.

Why not?

The risk of being taken from the wrong end.

Our kid loved the place too. Great pinball machines.

Ah, showing him the wide variety of weirdos.

Her. Stay in Kentucky or whatever if you want everybody to be the
same, exactly like you.

Ah, you\'re an LGBTQP lover.

One Halloween night a bunch of guys pulled up outside in the actual
Wells Fargo stagecoach, horses and all.

The what?

A stagecoach is a form of covered transportation that is powered by a
team of horses.

https://www.globetrotting.com.au/the-wells-fargo-stagecoach/

Google Wells Fargo for details of their stagecoach.

Were they famous for homosexuality?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:53:53 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

<snip>

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

And shelter and power. You can freeze to death without shelter - it\'s called dying of exposure - and access to some kind of power make it a lot easier to stay alive in very cold weather. Prolonged hot weather kills people too, and enough power to drive effective air-conditioning can prevent that, if you can afford the air-conditioner.

A Scottish wanker wouldn\'t worry about hot weather, but he should know about death from exposure. It kills quite a lot of drunks in Scotland.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 07:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:53:53?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 20:10:49 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:37:27 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/31/2023 7:15 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:12:34 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/19/2023 11:50 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 19/03/2023 23:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

snip

Poor people need food, housing, electricity, and fuel.

No, the only things people need are food, water, and oxygen.

And shelter and power. You can freeze to death without shelter - it\'s called dying of exposure -

Talk about proper clothing.

>and access to some kind of power make it a lot easier to stay alive in very cold weather.

If you have sufficient food, the metabolism will produce at least 100
W. As long as you have food and the cloths keep the generated heat at
your body, you will survive. Inuits have survived on their long
hunting trips.

Think about animals, the wolf has a thick fur and as long the hunt is
successful, the animal will survive all winter.

>Prolonged hot weather kills people too, and enough power to drive effective air-conditioning can prevent that, if you can afford the air-conditioner.

In a hot environment you have to get rid of the heat generated by
metabolism and in addition the heat entering from the environment.
With sufficient water intake, you can sweat out this heat. In a hot
but dry environment, you can directly evaporate that water. Things get
uncomfortable, if the relative humidity is also high.

Think about Bedouins who live in very hot climate, the important thing
is to have sufficient water.

A Scottish wanker wouldn\'t worry about hot weather, but he should know about death from exposure. It kills quite a lot of drunks in Scotland.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 10:53:05 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 17:37, Scott Lurndal wrote:
and:
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-Heat-or-Extreme-Cold

That seems to be US only. The big impacts are likely to be in poorer
countries.

Heat and AC are luxuries. Wear a jacket indoors if you\'re a sissy. Or get naked and fuck each other.