Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 22:35:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/03/2023 18:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:05:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:54:34 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so, 16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight or fluid not be pumped up there?

Show us the math.


https://onezero.medium.com/the-new-super-battery-made-of-concrete-aeee436ecc67

Seems improbable to me.

That\'s virtually guaranteed with \'green\' energy none of which is
radical or new, all of which has been tried at least on paper and none
of which has been found to be viable.

Bullshit. Renewable energy is a good idea because - there\'s no fuel cost, and the fuel can\'t run out. It\'s not a good idea because of CO2. We should use whatever turns out cheapest. That will eventually be renewable as gas runs out.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:29:38 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2023 02:28:05 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:26:43 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The US is actually pretty good as regards outright corruption.

Maybe where you come from.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/connecticut-must-shed-its-legacy-corruption

https://www.journalinquirer.com/public/federal-lawsuit-highlights-corruption-in-connecticut-state-police/article_5a312ffc-e329-11e9-b0b1-877247bd02ad.html

https://www.ctpublic.org/2015-04-16/the-most-corrupt-state-in-the-country-is

https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticutmagazine/article/Political-Corruption-in-Connecticut-Corrupticut-17040342.php

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/hc-250-pictures-connecticut-political-corruption-photogallery.html

Connecticut even made it to one of the worst Supreme Court decisions this side of Citizens United.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

Corruption is native to some people. Exposing it is unusual.

If things like that were reported in China or Russia or Venezuela, the
reporters would vanish or fall off tall structures.

That\'s a brilliant idea, nobody like reporters.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 07:58:43 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-03-30, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:54:34 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:19:59 -0000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

On 21-Mar-23 7:42 am, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:34:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/03/2023 11:39, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

An electrician (who I don\'t believe) told me if there\'s too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true? Aren\'t there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply stop
some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they can be
stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging the
turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping renewable
production, but who cares .

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they had
been generating.


In practice, district heating companies are installing electrically
heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an
overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price drops
towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during
overproduction.

No they are not.

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically
heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards
zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so, 16,000
tons of emissions are reduced.

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

But no one does

They are simply stupid, if they don\'t.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric prices
falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to
\'invent\' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in
some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero.
.

They should be required to provide the storage systems needed to
compensate for their intermittency. At the moment, they get a free ride
by being able to sell power when they can produce it, and not when they
can\'t.

A wind turbine has a really tall post in the middle, could a weight or fluid not be pumped up there?

Show us the math.


https://onezero.medium.com/the-new-super-battery-made-of-concrete-aeee436ecc67

It\'s a scam. Do the math.

I\'ve found out your problem, you\'re doing math, they\'re doing maths, they do more, they get extra electricity.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 20:31:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> That\'s a brilliant idea, nobody like reporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwu4wff7lI

That\'s how you treat little pukes from the Guardian. The brutality really
affected Gianforte\'s political career -- we elected him governor.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:38:46 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:37:44 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 17:49, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-18, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/03/2023 15:02, micky wrote:

Having a smart meter means they no longer have to send meter readers, so
that saves a lot of money in the long run.

Using your argument about 15 minutes for a smart meter installation per
house not costing a lot the 30 seconds to read a meter once every 12
months

Prior to smart meters, ours were read once a month. The meter reader
had to trudge from house to house--they\'re about 40 meters apart on
my road, although it\'s twice that from my house to the one to the
south. Multiply that by 155 million customers in the U.S. It adds up.


America has an obesity \'problem\'. All that trudging means lots
of exercise for the meter readers

I think it\'s partly genetic. Some people didn\'t evolve with ice cream
and cheesecake and giant cheezy pizzas. Africans and Pacific Islanders
tend to blimp out on a junk-food diet.

Some people remain skinny and have hot visible abs even though they don\'t watch what they eat. It\'s evolution. If being obese kills you off, there will be no more obese people.

But what makes no sense at all is ugly people should never get the chance to reproduce. They should have all died out. Who the hell is fucking fat ugly folk?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 17:38, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:37:44 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 17:49, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-18, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/03/2023 15:02, micky wrote:

Having a smart meter means they no longer have to send meter readers, so
that saves a lot of money in the long run.

Using your argument about 15 minutes for a smart meter installation per
house not costing a lot the 30 seconds to read a meter once every 12
months

Prior to smart meters, ours were read once a month. The meter reader
had to trudge from house to house--they\'re about 40 meters apart on
my road, although it\'s twice that from my house to the one to the
south. Multiply that by 155 million customers in the U.S. It adds up.


America has an obesity \'problem\'. All that trudging means lots
of exercise for the meter readers



I think it\'s partly genetic. Some people didn\'t evolve with ice cream
and cheesecake and giant cheezy pizzas. Africans and Pacific Islanders
tend to blimp out on a junk-food diet.


New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat
for export to the PAcific Islands.

Tinned corned goat anyone ?. Great delicacy in Fiji and Tonga.
They also eat a lot of bread and bread-based fast foods, plus
high-carb basic foods grown locally. Being hot they don\'t need
to waste energy maintaining body heat so they put on weight
easily.

Maintaining body heat is a very good way to lose weight. Up to 1600 calories per hour.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 00:51:22 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

Is that saying to do with women who dress up as schoolgirls?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 19:01:02 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 05/04/2023 01:28, John Larkin wrote:
On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I\'ve never seen mutton for sale in a supermarket, or on a restaurant
menu here in the USA. Lamb chops are rarely available.

Sheep are grown here mostly for wool. Knitting has become a fad, not
just among women.

In the UK it sometimes costs more to shear the sheep (which must be
done once a year) than the wool is worth. A lot of eco-friendly
houses have been insulated with sheep wool batts but there have
been horror stories of self-build properties that used this stuff
but it had not been properly treated to eradicate bugs.

I had that problem, from cats. I ended up making home made bug traps (a 7W motorbike lightbulb over soapy water). I killed 300 bugs a DAY for several weeks, AFTER the cats had been thrown out.

There is more money to be made from making hand-made paper out of
sheep *shit*, which is washed (in a 2nd hand domestic washing m/c)
and the plant fibres collected and used to make paper.

Surely undigested plant fibres would be too few and far between to make this worthwhile?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 07:20:27 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/04/2023 19:01, Andrew wrote:

There is more money to be made from making hand-made paper out of
sheep *shit*, which is washed (in a 2nd hand domestic washing m/c)
and the plant fibres collected and used to make paper.

Sheep shit on grass is extremely difficult to pick up! How do I know?
Friends of mine live in a rural location and flock of sheep being driven
down the road encountered a dog being taken for a walk. They panicked
and on mass came up my friend\'s driveway and into their large lawn. The
farmer and his 3 dogs got them out of their very quickly but they left
quite a lot of shit on the drive and lawn. As guests were expected a few
hours later we made some attempt at clearing a least some part of the
lawn where everyone would be sitting. Not easy.

The driveway was hosed down and most of the lawn was left for the rain
in the proceeding months to wash it into the soil.

I thought rain would wash my cat\'s shit into the lawn. No, it stayed for weeks on end and stank out the whole street.

I would think that cow or horse shit possibly is easier for extracting
fibres or is all that used for wattle and daub building of new houses

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 20:25:35 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:15:40 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:40:42 +0100, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:39:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 11:39:21 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:


What to do with excess energy production during wind overproduction

In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can
be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning.

Water powered air conditioning?! Water isn\'t cold enough.

Air conditioning requires a lot of energy for moving heat from indoor
20 C to outdoor 30 C.

However, if the indoor heat is dumped into 0 to +20 C water, very
little energy is needed.

The specific heat for water is 4 kJ/kg/K, thus 80 kJ/kg can be dumped
when the water is warmed from 0 to +20 C.

If excess wind production is used to make ice, 330 kJ(kg can be dumped
while going from 0 C ice to 0 C water. If the water is then allowed to
warm to +20 C, a total of 410 kJ can be dumped. Assume a 1000 liter
ice(water tank that is 410 MJ that is over 100 kWh.

Using only water, 0 C to +20 C is still about 20 kWh.

The water sounds good, but the transport of ice could be a problem.

What is the problem with ice ? People make ice cubes for their whisky
in the fridge.

For an automated system two tanks are required, one smaller for ice
and a slightly larger for ice. On top of the ice tank install a
compressor which during cheap electricity makes ice cubes or thin ice
sheets, dropping into the ice tank.A small low power pump takes the
molten water from the bottom of the ice tank and pumps it to the water
tank to be processed the next night.

If no ice is used and the water temperature is kept above +4 C, a
single water tank should be sufficient, since the water can be kept in
layers.

I meant getting the ice to where you use it. I thought your idea was to use ice too cool homes?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 20:26:26 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 4/7/2023 11:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 02:54:30 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2023 00:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:43:00 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:


The cap is 50p, I\'ve replaced many of them.


picofarads or pence?

50 pF electrolytic?

Due to lack of quoting, I\'m not sure what this is about. But the ones I can think of I mentioned recently were bulk caps in computer power supplies. Maybe for a ZX spectrum 50pF might work.

Why do people seperate the number from the units? You wrote 50 pF, I wrote 50pF.

Let\'s look at some electrolytics in a recent supply. I don\'t see a \"p\" there.
I\'m seeing another letter. And that letter would be relatively
common for this usage (the letter covers a range of mains PSU designs).

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/18773/XPG_FUSION_TITANIUM_1600_15.jpg

Indeed, the p is a hundredth of a pound. No not a lb (or # in Merkin), the thing which is worth more than a dollar.

That\'s a fancy power supply. It\'s got daughterboards! What\'s so special about it?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 18:59:21 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 18:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:13:29 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 13:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:49:57 -0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart
meters into each home.

Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right
ball park figure.

Looks like they\'re charging US for the meters, not the green tax, they
put my fucking standing charge up only 8 days after the installation!
Coincidence? I don\'t think so.

Of course they are charging YOU !. And you will be paying those
excessive standing charges long, long after the cost of the \'free\'
smart meter installation has been covered.

Fuck them, I\'ll just use less power then.

Daily standing charge 50.67p to 61.67p
Unit price 33.90p/kWh to 32.91p/kWh

Or.... too many people are using less power, and they want to get the
same money, so they put it on the standing charge so you pay them for
not using any power!

And one reason for the hike in standing charges was to pay \'compo\'
to all those switchers whose minnow supplier went tits up and took
their credit with them. All agreed by Ofgem.

Why would anyone want to be in credit with them? I pay after I use the
power.

It was the business model of all those minnow suppliers who are
no longer. Get the suckers to switch for a headline cheap rate
but then jack up the monthly DD so the punter is actually paying
a lot more per KwH. Then drag your feet if they try and get their
money back. Then disappear in a puff of Putin inflation and take
all that credit with them.

British Gas tried to get me to change to them. Some wanker came round my house and invited himself in. He promised me lower direct debit payments. I looked up the price per unit and asked him why it was more and what would happen since I wouldn\'t be paying enough. He got all flustered and left.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 19:16:18 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 18:59, Andrew wrote:

It was the business model of all those minnow suppliers who are
no longer. Get the suckers to switch for a headline cheap rate
but then jack up the monthly DD so the punter is actually paying
a lot more per KwH. Then drag your feet if they try and get their
money back. Then disappear in a puff of Putin inflation and take
all that credit with them.


The only suckers are those who didn\'t switch for nearly a decade.

It took about 6 weeks to get my money back and didn\'t lose a penny.

Those who got their credit returned have actually paid for much of that
returned credit in higher standing charges so very soon the standing
charges will be reduced to their previous levels, or will the pigs be
still flying?

I\'m shortly going to be paying more standing charge than consumption. Paying money for using nothing? That\'s not right. Why not put all the money onto the unit cost?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 20:43:26 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 19:16, alan_m wrote:
On 08/04/2023 18:59, Andrew wrote:

It was the business model of all those minnow suppliers who are
no longer. Get the suckers to switch for a headline cheap rate
but then jack up the monthly DD so the punter is actually paying
a lot more per KwH. Then drag your feet if they try and get their
money back. Then disappear in a puff of Putin inflation and take
all that credit with them.


The only suckers are those who didn\'t switch for nearly a decade.

It took about 6 weeks to get my money back and didn\'t lose a penny.

Those who got their credit returned have actually paid for much of that
returned credit in higher standing charges so very soon the standing
charges will be reduced to their previous levels,

Dream on. *everyone* is going to be paying double what they were
previously for a daily standing charge, ad infinitum.

All because our governments are looking after the fucking Ukraine.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 2:27:03 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:38:46 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:37:44 +0100, Andrew <Andr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 18/03/2023 17:49, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-18, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/03/2023 15:02, micky wrote:

<snip>

I think it\'s partly genetic. Some people didn\'t evolve with ice cream and cheesecake and giant cheezy pizzas. Africans and Pacific Islanders tend to blimp out on a junk-food diet.

Some people remain skinny and have hot visible abs even though they don\'t watch what they eat. It\'s evolution. If being obese kills you off, there will be no more obese people.

But what makes no sense at all is ugly people should never get the chance to reproduce. They should have all died out. Who the hell is fucking fat ugly folk?

Other ugly folk. And ugly is in the eye pf the beholder. The is a revealing adjective for plump women - Reubenesque

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Paul_Rubens

Back then, if you were skinny, you were probably undernourished, Skinny women stop menstruating, because there\'s a machanism that stops women getting pregnant if they haven\'t got enough fat reserves to carry them through a pregnancy. Plump equals fertile.

Dim wankers like Commander Kinsey aren\'t thinking about propagating their genes (which is just as well) and miss this.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:40:28 AM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 20:31:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

That\'s a brilliant idea, nobody like reporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwu4wff7lI

That\'s how you treat little pukes from the Guardian. The brutality really
affected Gianforte\'s political career -- we elected him governor.

Not a wise choice, but Montana is populated by people who weren\'t wise enough to move away. Electing a thug like Gianforte, is going to encourage anybody with any capacity for self-preservation to leave.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Peeler]

On 22 Apr 2023 22:40:21 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwu4wff7lI

That\'s how you treat little pukes from the Guardian. The brutality really
affected Gianforte\'s political career -- we elected him governor.

You are not aware that it\'s really you trolling senile cretins who are the
\"pukes\" here, trashing these ngs groups with your endless senile shit?

--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero\'s senile
life:
\"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either.\"
MID: <k84ip9Fesb1U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 21:01:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 15:04, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 04:55:08 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The LP members I\'ve known personally tend to be slightly nuts and have
a much more optimistic view of human nature than I do.

Be more specific. What do you believe would go wrong?

For a couple of examples: the financial industry lobbied for the removal
of the Glass-Steagall regulations and were successful in 1999. They used
the new found freedom to destroy themselves within 8 years.

More regulations were imposed. The Silicon Valley Bank, among others,
lobbied to have them loosened. The inevitable meltdown came even faster.

That\'s an entire industry of supposedly intelligent people that can\'t play
nice without supervision. The LP assumes the vast majority of people can
make intelligent decisions. I believe, almost by definition, that 50% of
the population has an IQ of 100 or less.

The financial industry is full of people who are very keen on, if not
making money, certainly transferring it from someone else\'s pockets into
theirs.
Given access to loads of other peoples money, their attitude is \'lets
use it to play poker and fix the game\'.
Sometimes they aren\'t the only cheats in the game though.
But the taxpayer will always bail them out

Exactly, there should be no taxpayers. Every man for themselves, it\'s the only fair way.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 10:19:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 22:32, SH wrote:
On 08/04/2023 21:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 05:02:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:03:33 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:13:21 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

We need bigger wires between countries, it\'s always windy somewhere.

https://sites.suffolk.edu/xenia/2016/02/17/nikola-tesla-and-his-work-in-wireless-energy-and-power-transfer/

Should be possible, just pick a wavelength humans don\'t absorb, then
make the equivalent of a microwave link like they do for
communications, but fucking powerful.

Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

ROFLMAO!

Coal and oil and gas are free too.
The cost is in extracting them and turning them into electricity.




and the conversion efficiency of solar photovoltaic panels converting
photons to electrons is only about 20%....

In the end that isn\'t really an issue. The issue is how many units of
energy it takes to make a system that will deliver you one unit of
electricity back, reliably, over its lifetime.

It it\'s more than one, it isn\'t sustainable. It its more than 0.1, it
likely isn\'t really sustainable either, as it doesn\'t leave much energy
left to do anything but plant windmills and solar panels.

If it\'s 0.1, there\'s 0.9 to use, duh.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:31:04 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 08/04/2023 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
Since wind and solar power are free, a few per cent transmission
efficiency should be fine.

Please confirm that you were being sarcastic?

Some people might believe you.

(I\'ve just been reading about the Chinese steel used in wind turbine
towers. The Chinese steel plants produce 4 tonnes of CO2 for one of
steel, twice as high as the UK plant. But it\'s cheaper...)

CO2 production is irrelevant.