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Bullshit. There was never ever any possibility of the USA and UK kicking
the USSR out of Poland after the war had ended. Wasn\'t even possible
with east germany either.
I really think you should watch the videos of Russians beheading
Ukrainian captives, and shooting them in cold blood, and admitting to
killing women and children on orders from their officers.
Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:55:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
So he gave him Poland. Betraying the trust that the Poles had in us.
More fools them. Britain was in no shape to defend itself in 1939 let
alone Poland. At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East
Prussia which had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig
Corridor.
Poland as an independent country hadn\'t even existed for 100 odd years
prior to Versailles. Figuring Britain had their back the Poles got
pigheaded, a national trait. Arguably Poland would have had a much better
war had it allied with Germany.
Bene¨ thought he was wilier but that didn\'t prove to be the case.
Czechoslovakia was another idiotic creation by politicians that had no
feeling for ethnic groups. Not surprisingly the Czechs and Slovaks seem
to
be getting along quite well together since their velvet divorce.
Even today there are plenty of people in the Right of the USA who think
\'Russia isn\'t our problem\'
It is and it always has been.
Someday all those old cold warriors will march off into the sunset.
It
can\'t come too soon. I have no fondness for Russia but I have to agree
with Putin that the US has been prodding and poking since the supposed
end
of the Cold War.
Britain didn\'t want to let go of world hegemony and lost
everything.
Rod Speed wrote
Bullshit. There was never ever any possibility of the USA and UK kicking
the USSR out of Poland after the war had ended. Wasn\'t even possible
with east germany either.
There was a distinct possibility of quietly sitting back until Germany
drove the Soviets to someplace far east of the Urals.
Rod Speed wrote
Only to isolationists like you.
You\'re absolutely right about the isolationist part.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
\"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in
extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political
connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let
them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a
set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote
relation.
Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which
are essentially foreign to our concerns.
Hence, therefore, it must be
unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary
vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions
of her friendships or enmities.\"
Washington didn\'t foresee Asian entanglements or he would have thrown
those in for good measure.
The US could come very close to being an
autarky.
We might want commercial relations to buy bananas but that
doesn\'t mean we need to send troops to banana republics in support of
United Fruit. We have plenty of oil and don\'t need to be fucking around
in
the Mid East.
It\'s not our
business if Germany buys gas from Russia. It wasn\'t our business when \'He
Kept Us Out of War\' Wilson got us into war. It isn\'t our business if
Australia does or doesn\'t want to trade with China.
Rod Speed wrote
Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.
How many troops does Britain have in Syria?
I won\'t even go in to how many
independent countries the US has invaded, including Grenada. That really
pissed off Maggie Thatcher when Reagan didn\'t even say \'May I?\'
They deliberately targeted, bombed and murdered civilians, you abysmallyYour lot more or less invented modern atrocity propaganda at Wellington
House during WWI. Have the Russians raped any nuns or bayoneted any babies
lately?
Yeah, that worked out really well. Korea is still festering, and i think
Russia may still be technically at war with Japan.
More fools them. Britain was in no shape to defend itself in 1939 let
alone Poland. At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East
Prussia which had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.
You\'re absolutely right about the isolationist part.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
\"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in
extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political
connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let
them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a
set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation.
Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which
are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be
unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary
vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions
of her friendships or enmities.\"
Washington didn\'t foresee Asian entanglements or he would have thrown
those in for good measure. The US could come very close to being an
autarky. We might want commercial relations to buy bananas but that
doesn\'t mean we need to send troops to banana republics in support of
United Fruit. We have plenty of oil and don\'t need to be fucking around in
the Mid East. We don\'t need a goddam thing from Afghanistan. It\'s not our
business if Germany buys gas from Russia. It wasn\'t our business when \'He
Kept Us Out of War\' Wilson got us into war. It isn\'t our business if
Australia does or doesn\'t want to trade with China.
And it certainly isn\'t our business to foment Euromaidan.
all Germany wanted was to build a road to East
Prussia
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:33:16 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
Only to isolationists like you.
You\'re absolutely right about the isolationist part.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
\"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in
extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political
connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let
them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a
set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation.
Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which
are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be
unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary
vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions
of her friendships or enmities.\"
Washington didn\'t foresee Asian entanglements or he would have thrown
those in for good measure. The US could come very close to being an
autarky. We might want commercial relations to buy bananas but that
doesn\'t mean we need to send troops to banana republics in support of
United Fruit. We have plenty of oil and don\'t need to be fucking around in
the Mid East. We don\'t need a goddam thing from Afghanistan. It\'s not our
business if Germany buys gas from Russia. It wasn\'t our business when \'He
Kept Us Out of War\' Wilson got us into war. It isn\'t our business if
Australia does or doesn\'t want to trade with China.
And it certainly isn\'t our business to foment Euromaidan.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:02:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I really think you should watch the videos of Russians beheading
Ukrainian captives, and shooting them in cold blood, and admitting to
killing women and children on orders from their officers.
Your lot more or less invented modern atrocity propaganda at Wellington
House during WWI. Have the Russians raped any nuns or bayoneted any babies
lately?
As far as I\'m concerned both sides are pathological liars. The only
difference is Zelensky has the media and politicians spreading his and
gets billions for it.
Clearly the US feels it is in its interest to do so.On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:26:46 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.
How many troops does Britain have in Syria? I won\'t even go in to how many
independent countries the US has invaded, including Grenada. That really
pissed off Maggie Thatcher when Reagan didn\'t even say \'May I?\'