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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:50:50 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:


Bullshit. There was never ever any possibility of the USA and UK kicking
the USSR out of Poland after the war had ended. Wasn\'t even possible
with east germany either.

There was a distinct possibility of quietly sitting back until Germany
drove the Soviets to someplace far east of the Urals.

So, we\'ll add history to the list of subjects upon which you are
completely clueless.
 
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:43:14 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Frankly, crap in one ear was mad enough. Stereo crap was unusable

And channel space in MW bands is very limited

Google Shannon.

Shannon is a river in Ireland. And a city. And an airport.

And a fishing area.
 
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 16:38:25 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 11:43:14 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:

Shannon is a river in Ireland. And a city. And an airport.

And a couple of women I\'ve known...

I knew a Sharon, righ bitch.
And one with the surname Haller-Shannon, very cute, but had hairy arms?!
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 15:39:49 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:01:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 03/04/2023 19:24, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:59:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 03/04/2023 16:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 13:45:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 03/04/2023 11:43, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/04/2023 20:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Frankly, crap in one ear was mad enough. Stereo crap was unusable

And channel space in MW bands is very limited

Google Shannon.

Shannon is a river in Ireland. And a city. And an airport.
And an engineer.


Try \"Shannon\'s Law\" (no quotes needed). Google can be dumb!

Andy

Audio can be compressed more than the Sampling Theorem originally
suggested.

No, it cannot.

Cell phones send voice at bit rates as low as 5 Kbps; silence is
transmitted even slower. At 8 bits equivalent, the Shannon rate would
be around 60K.

No, it would not.
It would be around 5kbps

Shannon is about digital communication of *information* , not Nyquist\'s
sampling theorem.

I said \"Sampling Theorem\" above, namely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem

which is not digital nor quantized.

Per the sampling theorem, 3.5 KHz audio needs to be sampled at about 7
KHz. Digitized to 8 bits, probably companded, that\'s a data rate
around 60 Kbps.

Voice has redundancies and patterns and silences so can be sent at
much lower bit rates. Utimately one could recognize words and send
voice at maybe 50 bits per second.

We need those redundancies to interpret speech over background noise.
 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:53:13 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.

How many troops does Britain have in Syria?

Irrelevant.

It\'s an independent country. Why are your troops there?

I won\'t even go in to how many independent countries the US has
invaded, including Grenada. That really pissed off Maggie Thatcher when
Reagan didn\'t even say \'May I?\'

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29986729
 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:24:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 20/04/2023 04:28, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:26:46 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:


Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.

How many troops does Britain have in Syria? I won\'t even go in to how
many independent countries the US has invaded, including Grenada. That
really pissed off Maggie Thatcher when Reagan didn\'t even say \'May I?\'

Clearly the US feels it is in its interest to do so.
Why don\'t you?

If by US you mean the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned
about, I\'m not part of it. If you mean the war mongering chicken hawks
that are running the country, I\'m not in that group either.
 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:36:19 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Bullshit. There was never ever any possibility of the USA and UK
kicking the USSR out of Poland after the war had ended. Wasn\'t even
possible with east germany either.

There was a distinct possibility of quietly sitting back until Germany
drove the Soviets to someplace far east of the Urals.

Nope, not given Stalingrad.

How much was that influenced by Bomber Harris and Lindemann\'s \'de-housing\'
campaign disrupting materiel production while Roosevelt send aid to the
Reds?

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-
union-1941-1945/

Note that some of that was while the US was a \'neutral\' nation.
 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:32:41 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 12:47:59 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:55:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

So he gave him Poland. Betraying the trust that the Poles had in us.

More fools them. Britain was in no shape to defend itself in 1939 let
alone Poland. At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to
East Prussia which had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig
Corridor.
Poland as an independent country hadn\'t even existed for 100 odd years
prior to Versailles. Figuring Britain had their back the Poles got
pigheaded, a national trait. Arguably Poland would have had a much
better war had it allied with Germany.

Beneš thought he was wilier but that didn\'t prove to be the case.
Czechoslovakia was another idiotic creation by politicians that had no
feeling for ethnic groups. Not surprisingly the Czechs and Slovaks seem
to be getting along quite well together since their velvet divorce.

Even today there are plenty of people in the Right of the USA who
think \'Russia isn\'t our problem\'

It is and it always has been.

Someday all those old cold warriors will march off into the sunset.

Not while ever Putin is driving his bus. And it remains to be seen who
follows him.

It can\'t come too soon. I have no fondness for Russia but I have to
agree with Putin that the US has been prodding and poking since the
supposed end of the Cold War.

Only because of Russia\'s activity.

Britain didn\'t want to let go of world hegemony and lost everything.

Nope, hasnt even lost the Falklands or Scotland or Wales.
request.

Don\'t get too fond of the Falklands.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/2/argentina-to-renew-push-for-
sovereignty-over-falkland-islands

Will Sturgeon\'s successor be able to accomplish what she couldn\'t do?

Are the Taffys getting restless too?
 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:18:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 20/04/2023 03:47, rbowman wrote:
all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia

I am so glad Hitler shared his secret thoughts with you.

Why then did he invade Russia?

FFS, did you ever read \'Mein Kampf\'? I\'m sure Stalin or his advisors did
and Joe had his fingers crossed when he signed the pact to buy a little
time to ramp up production -- just as Hitler did. The 1935 Soviet-
Czechoslovak treaty left no doubt about the Soviets intentions. As for
German intentions, after a decade of fighting the KPD they weren\'t going
to try to chop the head off the snake?

Lebensraum played a part in it. Do you think the Germans that starved
during the British blockade, the one that was maintained for eight months
AFTER the armistice was signed, might have something to do with acquiring
enough farmland so that would never happen again?
 
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Putin has clearly invaded an independant Ukraine and it is irrelevant
how many russians are in the Ukraine.

How many troops does Britain have in Syria?

Irrelevant.

It\'s an independent country.

Duh.

> Why are your troops there?

My troops arent. There are no british troops
there either and what non syrian troops are
there are there to help them fuck over ISIS.

I won\'t even go in to how many independent countries the US has
invaded, including Grenada. That really pissed off Maggie Thatcher when
Reagan didn\'t even say \'May I?\'

Nothing to do with Thatcher.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29986729

Irrelevant that she was pissed off.
 
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Bullshit. There was never ever any possibility of the USA and UK
kicking the USSR out of Poland after the war had ended. Wasn\'t even
possible with east germany either.

There was a distinct possibility of quietly sitting back until Germany
drove the Soviets to someplace far east of the Urals.

Nope, not given Stalingrad.

How much was that influenced by Bomber Harris and Lindemann\'s
\'de-housing\'
campaign disrupting materiel production while Roosevelt send aid to the
Reds?

Nothing, the dehousing campaign happened later.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-
union-1941-1945/

Note that some of that was while the US was a \'neutral\' nation.

None of the dehousing campaign was.
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:42:03 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 14:32:41 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 12:47:59 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:55:13 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

So he gave him Poland. Betraying the trust that the Poles had in us..

More fools them. Britain was in no shape to defend itself in 1939 let
alone Poland. At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to
East Prussia which had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig
Corridor.
Poland as an independent country hadn\'t even existed for 100 odd years
prior to Versailles. Figuring Britain had their back the Poles got
pigheaded, a national trait. Arguably Poland would have had a much
better war had it allied with Germany.

Bene¨ thought he was wilier but that didn\'t prove to be the case.
Czechoslovakia was another idiotic creation by politicians that had no
feeling for ethnic groups. Not surprisingly the Czechs and Slovaks seem
to be getting along quite well together since their velvet divorce.

Even today there are plenty of people in the Right of the USA who
think \'Russia isn\'t our problem\'

It is and it always has been.

Someday all those old cold warriors will march off into the sunset.

Not while ever Putin is driving his bus. And it remains to be seen who
follows him.

It can\'t come too soon. I have no fondness for Russia but I have to
agree with Putin that the US has been prodding and poking since the
supposed end of the Cold War.

Only because of Russia\'s activity.

Britain didn\'t want to let go of world hegemony and lost everything.

Nope, hasnt even lost the Falklands or Scotland or Wales.
request.

Don\'t get too fond of the Falklands.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/2/argentina-to-renew-push-for-
sovereignty-over-falkland-islands

Wont see the falklands lost.

> Will Sturgeon\'s successor be able to accomplish what she couldn\'t do?

Nope, the entire SNP is imploding spectactularly and
that\'s why Sturgeon quit before she was kicked out.

> Are the Taffys getting restless too?

Nope.
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:57:29 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 10:18:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 20/04/2023 03:47, rbowman wrote:

all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia

I am so glad Hitler shared his secret thoughts with you.

Why then did he invade Russia?

FFS, did you ever read \'Mein Kampf\'?

Which says nothing like your previous.

I\'m sure Stalin or his advisors did
and Joe had his fingers crossed when he signed the pact to buy a little
time to ramp up production -- just as Hitler did. The 1935 Soviet-
Czechoslovak treaty left no doubt about the Soviets intentions. As for
German intentions, after a decade of fighting the KPD they weren\'t going
to try to chop the head off the snake?

So nothing like your previous.

> Lebensraum played a part in it.

So nothing like your previous.

Do you think the Germans that starved
during the British blockade, the one that was maintained for eight months
AFTER the armistice was signed,

Fantasy.

might have something to do with acquiring
enough farmland so that would never happen again?

Irrelevant to your previous.
 
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:46:09 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 07:06, John Larkin wrote:
On 1 Apr 2023 18:23:26 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 07:12:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

My kid\'s middle name is Noe. We named her for three San Francisco
streets.

How many syllables does that have? I\'m never sure about Zoe.

Two. Know-ee.

Well duh.

> I think of Zoe with an umlaut on the E.

Umlauts acutes graves, etc they\'re a pest for computers.

Zoë

might come over in your newsreader...

[titter]

Is that like \"he came over my bonnet\" or \"come over here\"?

It\'s funny, I\'ve been to San Francisco lots of times for work. People
say it\'s their favo(u)rite city. I\'ve obviously never found the nice bit.

No city is nice. Cuntryside is nice.
 
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:12:12 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:20:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:43:57 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2023 06:24:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 08:51:43 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and wonderful.


My ex and I had some fun times in the little room at the top of a tower in
an old Victorian. The entry was sort of a trap door so we wouldn\'t be
disturbed. The curved glass panes blew my mind.

I knew a man who specialized in Victorian restoration. He made a living
but it was mostly a labor of love. Had he accounted for all the hours he
put in and paid a reasonable hourly rate you\'d have to be Bill Gates to
afford him.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xghwicv4920orlc/Cumberland_Tower.jpg?raw=1

Looks like an invasion from the luddite Mozzies. Blow it up.

Yes. A ranch style house with an astroturf lawn and a carport and an
above-ground portable swimming pool would be much nicer.

It would beat that ugly piece of plastic from the god botherers. Still, looks easy to snipe at.

That house is on my favorite street, one block of Cumberland between
Sanchez and Noe. It\'s beautiful and bizarre. Near Zuckerberg\'s house.

My kid\'s middle name is Noe. We named her for three San Francisco
streets.

The streets called N, O, and E?
 
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 14:55:07 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
John addressing the senile Australian pest:
\"You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL\"
MID: <f9056fe6-1479-40ff-8cc0-8118292c547e@googlegroups.com>
 
On 21 Apr 2023 03:57:29 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> FFS, did you ever read \'Mein Kampf\'?

I\'m sure you did, you pathological Trumptard, Hitler- and Putin-sympathizer!
<VBG>

--
More of the resident bigmouth\'s usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

MID: <k9mnmmF9emhU1@mid.individual.net>
 
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
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On 21 Apr 2023 03:42:03 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Don\'t get too fond of the Falklands.

The ONE and ONLY thing you are fond of is: your BIG MOUTH!

--
Yet more absolutely idiotic senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
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Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
\"This is just a hunch, but I\'m betting you\'re kinda an argumentative
asshole.
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