Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:38:12 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:44:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid..invalid> wrote:
On 02/04/2023 23:49, SteveW wrote:
On 02/04/2023 15:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

<snip>

But remember ffolks, its not cold that kills, its less than 1.5°C warming that threatens the entire planet.

No they gave up on that, it\'s climate CHANGE now not global WARMING. Now they think extra CO2 is somehow bad, that stuff plants (as in our crops) breathe. I look forward to bumper crops.

Of weeds. Extra CO2 helps plant growth, but mostly by reducing the number of stomata so they can get all the CO2 they can use while losing less water.

Every igorant sucker for climate change denial propaganda uses that line.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:34:17 -0700, John Larkin, the obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

What\'s with the heavy breathing at the start?

Some of us need oxygen when we ski hard at 8200 feet with a camera in
one hand and two poles in the other.

What\'s with all this off topic sick shit in these ngs, you idiotic
troll-feeding senile HUGE ASSHOLE?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 01:45:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 20:57:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:53:03 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 02:14:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


My Chemistry teacher once came in 10 minutes late in a fluster. His
excuse was his wife (my cooking teacher) was \"putting on her makeup
with a shovel\". She looked like Al Bundy\'s wife in Married With
Children, but way more makeup.

I recently bought an airbrush. The instruction manual has a few phrases
like \'remove all makeup buildup around the nozzle\'. Rather scary to
contemplate.

How would that get on there?

https://essiebutton.com/how-to-apply-airbrush-makeup/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmEFOSulJ8

All the reviews I saw were from modelers so airbrushing makeup was a
revelation. It\'s the 21st century way to apply warpaint.

You\'d think it would get in your eye. I wouldn\'t like to use sprays near my eyes,

I do laugh at women who use flammable hairspray, then lean over a candle at a birthday.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 23:48:15 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:10, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 09:26:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Haven\'t you seen Blade Runner?

https://tcrbang.com/a/pris_stratton_gets_the_airbrush_eye_shadow/

Yeah, but I didn\'t know they spray painted the actors. I\'ll admit to
complete ignorance when it comes to cosmetics. Other than my mother I
can\'t think of a woman in my life that used them. Well, maybe one. She
used enough hairspray to build a DOT approved helmet so there might have
been other products.

I did paint a couple of fingernails Tamiya XF-59 (desert yellow) but I was
really trying for the Panzerkampfwagen II. I don\'t see pointing the thing
at my face.

When I was buying an airbrush for model railway purposes, I found that
the majority of online adverts were for makeup application.

I\'ve only spray painted a few times, without much success. My first car - I think I used 50 rolls of masking tape. My garden fence - my grass changed colour. My neighbour had a go at the other side - he got it all over my shed. The walls in my conservatory - the paint kept clogging up - maybe it wasn\'t designed for thick gloss paint.

 

[Max Demian]

On 12/04/2023 07:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:03:18 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t.  Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

In 1800, 46 percent of children did not reach their fifth birthday.

Which is the way it should be.  Weed out the weak.  Nowadays the weak
get treated, have weak kids, and so it goes on.

Dysgenics is as unpopular nowadays as eugenics.

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 12/04/2023 07:38, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:44:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

But remember ffolks, its not cold that kills, its less than 1,5°C
warming that threatens the entire planet.

No they gave up on that, it\'s climate CHANGE now not global WARMING.
Now they think extra CO2 is somehow bad, that stuff plants (as in our
crops) breathe.  I look forward to bumper crops.

No, its global *heating* and climate *crisis* or *emergency*.

--
Max Demian

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:56:09 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 2 Apr 2023 19:16:42 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 07:04:25 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Makeup is so weird. In the glamour mags, when they have \'before\' and
\'after\' pics, I always prefer before. Once you paint people, they all
start to look alike.

I don\'t read glamour mags and have very little experience with makeup.
(okay, there is that tube of red lipstick I use for fitting parts). I
prefer the original meaning of \'glamour\', an enchantment creating an
illusion.

My haircutting lady, err stylist, only has glamour magazines in her
waiting area. I donated a bunch of car and science mags, but they
disappeared.

Stolen?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 03:02:05 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:56:09 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On 2 Apr 2023 19:16:42 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 07:04:25 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Makeup is so weird. In the glamour mags, when they have \'before\' and
\'after\' pics, I always prefer before. Once you paint people, they all
start to look alike.

I don\'t read glamour mags and have very little experience with makeup.
(okay, there is that tube of red lipstick I use for fitting parts). I
prefer the original meaning of \'glamour\', an enchantment creating an
illusion.

My haircutting lady, err stylist, only has glamour magazines in her
waiting area. I donated a bunch of car and science mags, but they
disappeared.

I don\'t have much experience with stylists either. I\'m a partial Sikh;

I wasn\'t aware you were a religious nut.

> I don\'t cut my hair or beard

Ah, a neanderthal.

> and I always carry a knife.

In the UK that\'s actually illegal, unless you can prove it\'s a tool and you\'re a carpenter on your way to a job.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 22:31:55 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

what if they developed a fault with current was leaking to the metalwork of
the unit that would then be live and is then capable if a shock not
pleasant!

You touch it, feel a tingle, then fix it.

i had one once very very painful and I couldn\'t let go thats the worst part
this was in pre RCD days!

Of course you can let go. You do have control of your own body right? You
have
a brain in there somewhere which can override things?

Christ sakes have you ever had your hand round a rung of a metal ladder
in soft earth and the other hand around a metal cased drill? Course with
your scaly skin that wouldn\'t be a problem then;?..

Just because one muscle is tensed up doesn\'t mean you lose control of all of
them.

You must live where the mains is around 50 volts i expect;!.

241-253 depending how the transformer feels.

> If you had 230

In no country is there 230V. It\'s 220 or 240 nominal.

across from one hand to the other gripped around
something conductive then just maybe you\'d still be able to let go with
that lizard skin;!..

You use a muscle which isn\'t tensed up. Only those in the path of the current are tensed. Assuming it\'s not going through your head, your brain can still make a decision. And it\'s not painful for muscles to tense up. You need a very high voltage to hurt (as in burn).

It is possible for a large number of PC\'s on one ring main to cause a
trip to go but it has to be quite a lot as they have capacitors in them
which are from live to earth and will introduce some leakage usually
much less then that the 30 ma RCD is designed to trip at.

Had that at a school I worked at. 20 PCs, for some reason if you switched
them
all on at once (as a class of kids tends to do). I thought the caps from
live
to earth were always connected?

The electrician refused to put less sensitive breakers in. He claimed the
regulations stated schools must have more sensitive breakers than the houses
where those very same kids live! I bought less sensitive breakers on Ebay
with
my own money, swapped them over, then sold the sensitive ones. The loss in
Ebay
fees and postage was approximately equal to the gain of the sensitive ones
costing more. Problem solved.

A teacher challenged me on it, so I persuaded a boy to test it in front of
the
class. Plug with wire, exposed live, hold that. Touch the earthed heater.
Tripped, he didn\'t even say ouch.

30 or 100 ma ones?..

Never seen a 100mA. They\'re 30 and 50 in the UK.

Never seen a 50 ma one has anyone?..

It used to be they put 50mA as the only ELCB in the fusebox. 30mA was for the little plug in ones for sissies and lawnmowers.

This was back in the 90s, when I saw other people\'s fuseboxes. I\'ve never had breakers in any house I\'ve lived in and never will. They\'re a pest.

The point was I changed the speed of the trip.

How?..

Rating A B C D etc. The number of ms it\'s over 30mA before it cuts out.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:36:21 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:28:54 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 15:03:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t. Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

In 1800, 46 percent of children did not reach their fifth birthday.

My mom was one of 10 kids, and two died in infancy. That was better
than average.

Your mum was alive in 1800?

Do the math.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:50:22 +0100, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 12/04/2023 07:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:03:18 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t.  Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

In 1800, 46 percent of children did not reach their fifth birthday.

Which is the way it should be.  Weed out the weak.  Nowadays the weak
get treated, have weak kids, and so it goes on.

Dysgenics is as unpopular nowadays as eugenics.

Birth rates are below replacement in most developed countries. And
people are living longer and better.

\"Weak\" has changed from the days of plowing by hand and fighting with
spears.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:50:22 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> Dysgenics is as unpopular nowadays as eugenics.

Not as long as subnormal idiots like the two of you infest this world!

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

--
And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:52:59 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> No, its global *heating* and climate *crisis* or *emergency*.

No, it\'s complete retards having a typical retarded \"conversation\" on
Usenet! <BG>

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

--
And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 06:31:50 -0700, John Larkin, the obviously brain dead,
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


> Do the math.

The math is that you are a troll-feeding senile asshole!

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 14:02:50 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I don\'t have much experience with stylists either. I\'m a partial Sikh;

I wasn\'t aware you were a religious nut.

I\'m eclectic.

I don\'t cut my hair or beard

Ah, a neanderthal.

An identifiable male Neanderthal. 23AndMe confirms the Neanderthal DNA.

and I always carry a knife.

In the UK that\'s actually illegal, unless you can prove it\'s a tool and
you\'re a carpenter on your way to a job.

Which is why I have no intention of visiting the UK. Fortunately this is
the US and i could balance it with a .45 ACP should I choose to do so. I
do not because unlike the UK we don\'t have Moslem no-go zones in this
state. The cold climate discourages parasites.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:04:45 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 23:48:15 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:10, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 09:26:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Haven\'t you seen Blade Runner?

https://tcrbang.com/a/pris_stratton_gets_the_airbrush_eye_shadow/

Yeah, but I didn\'t know they spray painted the actors. I\'ll admit to
complete ignorance when it comes to cosmetics. Other than my mother I
can\'t think of a woman in my life that used them. Well, maybe one. She
used enough hairspray to build a DOT approved helmet so there might
have been other products.

I did paint a couple of fingernails Tamiya XF-59 (desert yellow) but I
was really trying for the Panzerkampfwagen II. I don\'t see pointing
the thing at my face.

When I was buying an airbrush for model railway purposes, I found that
the majority of online adverts were for makeup application.

I\'ve only spray painted a few times, without much success. My first car
- I think I used 50 rolls of masking tape. My garden fence - my grass
changed colour. My neighbour had a go at the other side - he got it all
over my shed. The walls in my conservatory - the paint kept clogging up
- maybe it wasn\'t designed for thick gloss paint.

You do have to thin it appropriately. You can paint thin lines with an
airbrush so there is negligible overspray. It\'s much better than a rattle
can.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 02:41:29 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:00:54 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation
between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

And with some of the gold rushes, \'living\' in tents quite literally.

Some of the chinese laborers, blasting the railroad tunnels, lived in
snow caves and didn\'t see daylight all winter.

The snow at the sierra crest is 240\" deep up here right now.

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 4/12/23 08:34, John Larkin wrote:

[snip]

Birth rates are below replacement in most developed countries. And
people are living longer and better.

\"Weak\" has changed from the days of plowing by hand and fighting with
spears.

Somewhere, I remember a story about a society where you have to have a
license to be a parent. A man was denied because he was too strong.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.\"
[Friedrich Nietzsche]

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 4/12/23 01:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I\'m 47.  When I was a teenager, my friend actually thought you could
catch a cold from being cold.  We were both helping out an 80 year old
at his chicken farm, so I got the old guy to educate my friend.

Some people still seem to think that.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.\"
[Friedrich Nietzsche]

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> writes:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 02:41:29 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


And with some of the gold rushes, \'living\' in tents quite literally.

Some of the chinese laborers, blasting the railroad tunnels, lived in
snow caves and didn\'t see daylight all winter.

The snow at the sierra crest is 240\" deep up here right now.

Deeper in many areas. The summit at Mammoth had a total of 885\"
this season. The base at main lodge, which received 705\" is
currently 256\"

https://www.mammothmountain.com/on-the-mountain/mammoth-webcam/the-summit
https://www.mammothmountain.com/on-the-mountain/mountain-report-winter