Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:38:03 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:04:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:44:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:35:00 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:52:42 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


Herb sounds affected to me. OTOH, I pronounce the H in herbivore,
herbicide, etc. \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds.\"

herbal? I often hear the h dropped there too, possibly as an extension of
erb. Like you say anyone who wants consistency better learn German.

Yes, \"erbal\". Isn\'t that how it\'s pronounced in the commercials?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGaXOQH8vok

That sounds so utterly stupid. Merkins, do you really want to sound thick?

We can\'t imitate the language of every tiny obscure impoverished
island on the planet.

We invented the fucking language.

And your country hasn\'t done very well,

I could teach you how to use google. Then you could compare per-capita
GDPs.

I don\'t consider that a good measure of success.

considering the billion times extra land you can\'t be bothered using.

Our national parks are way more area than all of England. Prettier
too. And cleaner. We have lots of state and city parks, too, even more
area. I live in walking distance of several city parks and paths,
including a real canyon. The USA os great that way.

But nobody manages to live there.

We have more ski areas, which take space too.

And beaches. You can\'t have many bikini babes or beach volleyball
without beaches.

But because you\'re so prudish, the women wear tops.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:14:25 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:38:03 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:04:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:44:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:35:00 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 16:52:42 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-03-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 10:19:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


Herb sounds affected to me. OTOH, I pronounce the H in herbivore,
herbicide, etc. \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little
minds.\"

herbal? I often hear the h dropped there too, possibly as an extension of
erb. Like you say anyone who wants consistency better learn German.

Yes, \"erbal\". Isn\'t that how it\'s pronounced in the commercials?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGaXOQH8vok

That sounds so utterly stupid. Merkins, do you really want to sound thick?

We can\'t imitate the language of every tiny obscure impoverished
island on the planet.

We invented the fucking language.

And your country hasn\'t done very well,

I could teach you how to use google. Then you could compare per-capita
GDPs.

I don\'t consider that a good measure of success.

considering the billion times extra land you can\'t be bothered using.

Our national parks are way more area than all of England. Prettier
too. And cleaner. We have lots of state and city parks, too, even more
area. I live in walking distance of several city parks and paths,
including a real canyon. The USA os great that way.

But nobody manages to live there.

True, nobody lives in our canyon. Just owls and coyotes.

We have more ski areas, which take space too.

And beaches. You can\'t have many bikini babes or beach volleyball
without beaches.

But because you\'re so prudish, the women wear tops.

Around here, they wear parkas.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:14:25 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Our national parks are way more area than all of England. Prettier too.
And cleaner. We have lots of state and city parks, too, even more area.
I live in walking distance of several city parks and paths, including a
real canyon. The USA os great that way.

But nobody manages to live there.

The National Forests and Bureau of Land Management lands dwarf the
national parks. Theoretically you can\'t live there but there are a lot of
square miles and not many nosy rangers.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2023 03:13:38 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:55:03 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 08:38:03 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Our national parks are way more area than all of England. Prettier
too.
And cleaner. We have lots of state and city parks, too, even more
area.
I live in walking distance of several city parks and paths, including
a real canyon. The USA os great that way.

Then there are the 294,275 square miles of national forests and 387,500
square miles of BLM land. Were Kinsey to visit he might figure out why
nobody lives there.

Because despite all having guns, you\'re rubbish at using them and can\'t
get rid of the bears?

Why the hell would I want to get rid of bears? Or cougars? Or wolves?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 13:49:18 +0100, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <op.12pzdcq2mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:08:42 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 16:07:21 +0000, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <op.11uqo0s7mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:53:01 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 28/02/2023 11:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:57:43 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

I remember reading an ancient book on building your own radio, and they
mentioned regenerative receivers with only a single valve. Some would
emit back on the receiving antena, so they said don\'t do this, it is
illegal and nasty on your neighbours. Better use two valves, isolating
the oscillator from the antena.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit

Sounds like a good way to annoy a neighbour you hate and prevent them
listening to the radio station you don\'t like.

People got used to hearing squeals in the early evening when people were
tuning their radios in. Just as, later, people listening on long wave
got used to the whistling interference from 405 line TVs.

How come I remember a whine on LW and I was born in 1975?

Two things happened around those times.
405 was 10.125kHz. 625 timebase is 15.625kHz.
Droitwich moved from 200kHz to 198kHz.
Also, there would have been a lot of 405 sets still around.
I\'ll let you check whether a whistle was possible.

My mom liked a horrible smarmy AM station, WSMB at 1350 KHz. 1350 is
3x 455 KHz and the high-side LO is 4x 455. There was a constant
annoying background whistle. Maybe she couldn\'t hear it, but I could.

I objected more to the lack of stereo. Why couldn\'t we put stereo on AM?

It can be / has been done, but it\'s not very good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_stereo

All that appears to be legal bullshit and popularity, and nothing to do with quality.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 21:02:25 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


> True, nobody lives in our canyon. Just owls and coyotes.

WTF, you useless troll-feeding senile shithead?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:23:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:25:50 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:08:42 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 16:07:21 +0000, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <op.11uqo0s7mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:53:01 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 28/02/2023 11:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:57:43 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

I remember reading an ancient book on building your own radio, and they
mentioned regenerative receivers with only a single valve. Some would
emit back on the receiving antena, so they said don\'t do this, it is
illegal and nasty on your neighbours. Better use two valves, isolating
the oscillator from the antena.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit

Sounds like a good way to annoy a neighbour you hate and prevent them
listening to the radio station you don\'t like.

People got used to hearing squeals in the early evening when people were
tuning their radios in. Just as, later, people listening on long wave
got used to the whistling interference from 405 line TVs.

How come I remember a whine on LW and I was born in 1975?

Two things happened around those times.
405 was 10.125kHz. 625 timebase is 15.625kHz.
Droitwich moved from 200kHz to 198kHz.
Also, there would have been a lot of 405 sets still around.
I\'ll let you check whether a whistle was possible.

My mom liked a horrible smarmy AM station, WSMB at 1350 KHz. 1350 is
3x 455 KHz and the high-side LO is 4x 455. There was a constant
annoying background whistle. Maybe she couldn\'t hear it, but I could.

I objected more to the lack of stereo. Why couldn\'t we put stereo on AM?

Try google.

Not enough information in there.

 

[Max Demian]

On 08/04/2023 18:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:23:20 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:25:50 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:08:42 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

My mom liked a horrible smarmy AM station, WSMB at 1350 KHz. 1350 is
3x 455 KHz and the high-side LO is 4x 455. There was a constant
annoying background whistle. Maybe she couldn\'t hear it, but I could.

I objected more to the lack of stereo.  Why couldn\'t we put stereo on
AM?

Try google.

Not enough information in there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_stereo

--
Max Demian

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 15:13:23 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 16:54:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 21/03/2023 07:45, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <op.114fnnmqmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 16:07:21 -0000, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <op.11uqo0s7mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> writes
On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:53:01 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 28/02/2023 11:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:57:43 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

I remember reading an ancient book on building your own radio,
and they
mentioned regenerative receivers with only a single valve. Some
would
emit back on the receiving antena, so they said don\'t do this, it is
illegal and nasty on your neighbours. Better use two valves,
isolating
the oscillator from the antena.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit

Sounds like a good way to annoy a neighbour you hate and prevent them
listening to the radio station you don\'t like.

People got used to hearing squeals in the early evening when people
were
tuning their radios in. Just as, later, people listening on long wave
got used to the whistling interference from 405 line TVs.

How come I remember a whine on LW and I was born in 1975?

Two things happened around those times.
405 was 10.125kHz. 625 timebase is 15.625kHz.
Droitwich moved from 200kHz to 198kHz.
Also, there would have been a lot of 405 sets still around.
I\'ll let you check whether a whistle was possible.

Er.... LW is 150 to 270 kHz, nothing like 10.125kHz or 15.625kHz.

Droitwich is either a spa or a transmitter which would have
transmitted all frequencies used, not just 200 or 198kHz.

Your point?

Harmonics, dear boy, harmonics.

I am tempted to write Bollocks dear boy, Bollocks.

Is that an SI unit? It would be useful.

It would be a bit like the Roman foot.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 01:28:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 21:36:38 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:20:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
My brother in law asked how the thing handled in a sarcastic tone. I
did a bootlegger turn. \'Oh\' he said, very quietly.

I\'ve never heard that expression, I thought it was a J turn the world
over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-turn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_turn

Not the same thing.

Looks like a bootleg turn is similar to a handbrake turn, except using engine braking instead of the parking brake.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:33:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 01:28:09 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 21:36:38 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:20:59 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:
My brother in law asked how the thing handled in a sarcastic tone. I
did a bootlegger turn. \'Oh\' he said, very quietly.

I\'ve never heard that expression, I thought it was a J turn the world
over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-turn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_turn

Not the same thing.

Looks like a bootleg turn is similar to a handbrake turn, except using
engine braking instead of the parking brake.

You\'re playing with weight transfer and the engine to break the rear end
loose. I\'ve never tried it but I think you would need the handbrake with a
FWD car.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:49:59 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:08:26 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/1/2023 11:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 21:05:15 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 09:48:57 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:17:19 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 22/03/2023 17:15, John Larkin wrote:

They were primitive, barbaric, dangerous, leaky, unreliable, and great
fun.

Fun until you get older and just want the comfort

And AWD and a ski rack.

Old people don\'t ski.

That\'s excellent news. I have a season pass at Sugar Bowl.


He\'s right in my case. I snowboard.

I tried that for a couple of days, a lot of falling and hopping around
like a frog. I\'m too old for THAT.

I like that a boarder can go any direction, forward or backwards or
sideways, but I can do that on skis too. I\'m teaching a nice lady from
Hawaii how to spin.

Here\'s my technique:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3u33eojlglnrn4/Features_crash.avi?dl=0

What\'s with the heavy breathing at the start?

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:12:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:49:59 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:08:26 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/1/2023 11:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 21:05:15 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 09:48:57 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 08:17:19 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 22/03/2023 17:15, John Larkin wrote:

They were primitive, barbaric, dangerous, leaky, unreliable, and great
fun.

Fun until you get older and just want the comfort

And AWD and a ski rack.

Old people don\'t ski.

That\'s excellent news. I have a season pass at Sugar Bowl.


He\'s right in my case. I snowboard.

I tried that for a couple of days, a lot of falling and hopping around
like a frog. I\'m too old for THAT.

I like that a boarder can go any direction, forward or backwards or
sideways, but I can do that on skis too. I\'m teaching a nice lady from
Hawaii how to spin.

Here\'s my technique:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3u33eojlglnrn4/Features_crash.avi?dl=0

What\'s with the heavy breathing at the start?

Some of us need oxygen when we ski hard at 8200 feet with a camera in
one hand and two poles in the other.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 15:00:54 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

I was once approached IN SUMMER at 15C 1000 feet up a 2000 ft \"mountain\" by two men wearing very thick jackets, concerned I was going to freeze to death without a shirt on. I just laughed.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:27:15 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 14:49:38 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t. Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

Yeah, they had lots of kids and most didn\'t live to be teenagers.

On old novels, it\'s shocking to me how common death was.

And, maybe over-dramatized, is how people would get caught in the rain
and immediately acquire near-lethal fevers. Jane Austen did that a
lot. And there was a lot of \"brain fever.\"

I\'m 47. When I was a teenager, my friend actually thought you could catch a cold from being cold. We were both helping out an 80 year old at his chicken farm, so I got the old guy to educate my friend.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:03:18 +0100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot..com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t. Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

In 1800, 46 percent of children did not reach their fifth birthday.

Which is the way it should be. Weed out the weak. Nowadays the weak get treated, have weak kids, and so it goes on.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:28:54 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 15:03:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-04-02, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

A lot of them didn\'t. Old graveyards and ad hoc burial grounds
are everywhere to tell the tale.

In 1800, 46 percent of children did not reach their fifth birthday.

My mom was one of 10 kids, and two died in infancy. That was better
than average.

Your mum was alive in 1800?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 13:44:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid..invalid> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 23:49, SteveW wrote:
On 02/04/2023 15:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot..com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation
between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

Many died and many had good fires or stoves running 24 hours a day.

I saw a harrowing documentary about I think a wagon train that got
trapped by bad weather in a mountain pass and had to overwinter there. I
think as many died as survived

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

Naturally it was a bright eyed bushy tailed progressive self styled
\'expert\' that decided to take a \'short cut\' trapping the whole party in
the Sierra Nevadas over winter.

Of the 87 people who entered the Wasatch Mountains, 48 survived.
That\'s progressive thinking for you.

Since those 48 were ok, the others were clearly wimps.

But remember ffolks, its not cold that kills, its less than 1,5°C
warming that threatens the entire planet.

No they gave up on that, it\'s climate CHANGE now not global WARMING. Now they think extra CO2 is somehow bad, that stuff plants (as in our crops) breathe. I look forward to bumper crops.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 23:49:39 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 15:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

Many died and many had good fires or stoves running 24 hours a day.

Humans are warm blooded and don\'t require heat. It just makes us consume less food. So you just pick what\'s cheaper, more food or more firewood.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 16:09:44 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 13:44:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 02/04/2023 23:49, SteveW wrote:
On 02/04/2023 15:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:06:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 01/04/2023 18:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:19:36 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 22/03/2023 02:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:51:43 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

The old Victorians and deco and moderne houses are quirky and
wonderful.

Best thing for inside and outside are half logs.

I expect most modern log cabins cheat that way, with insulation
between.

What\'s cheating about it? There\'s no point in the half you can\'t see.

*Real* log cabins just have logs with some kind of caulking to keep out
the draughts. Building a small house and just sticking half logs inside
and out is just pretending to go back to nature.

I wonder how people survived in Nebraska in 1800, with no waterproof
parkas, no moon boots, uninsulated log cabins, no phone or internet,
no penicillin, no Safeway down the street.

Many died and many had good fires or stoves running 24 hours a day.

I saw a harrowing documentary about I think a wagon train that got
trapped by bad weather in a mountain pass and had to overwinter there.. I
think as many died as survived

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

Naturally it was a bright eyed bushy tailed progressive self styled
\'expert\' that decided to take a \'short cut\' trapping the whole party in
the Sierra Nevadas over winter.

Of the 87 people who entered the Wasatch Mountains, 48 survived.
That\'s progressive thinking for you.

But remember ffolks, its not cold that kills, its less than 1,5°C
warming that threatens the entire planet.

If you ever drive out I80, there is a museum and monument about the
Donner Party, in a tiny state park on Donner Lake.

The monument is huge, and there\'s a sign \"The snow was this high that
year.\"

If this sign is underwater, the bridge is impassable.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k3iUlCsah44/Tr8wqMmyjHI/AAAAAAAAAMg/gwdr7Cp2KEI/s1600/sign-underwater.jpeg