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On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 17:52:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/04/2023 17:47, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 4/3/23 14:29, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We were in the Castro yesterday and I didn\'t see many dogs. There are
other neighborhoods where I think it is a felony to walk around
without a dog or a kid.

Around here a Subaru Forester and a Labrador with a red kerchief are
issued at birth. I like dogs but I wish their owners were bright
enough to realize you\'re supposed to take the little bags of shit with
you. The cartoon instructions at the trailheads omit that part.

Are they leaving it on the trail, where people who don\'t look where
they are going step in it?

No, they hang it on tree branches, because there are no doggie bins for
miles.

Don\'t even suggest that.
 
On 4/4/2023 9:47 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 4/3/23 14:29, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We were in the Castro yesterday and I didn\'t see many dogs. There are
other neighborhoods where I think it is a felony to walk around without
a dog or a kid.

Around here a Subaru Forester and a Labrador with a red kerchief are
issued at birth. I like dogs but I wish their owners were bright
enough to
realize you\'re supposed to take the little bags of shit with you. The
cartoon instructions at the trailheads omit that part.

Are they leaving it on the trail, where people who don\'t look where they
are going step in it?

They put it in a bag, then leave it sitting on the trail for someone
else to do something about it. I see that frequently. Maybe they intend
it pick it up on the way out, but after several days it is still there.
 
On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 04:12:28 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 3 Apr 2023 15:34:19 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 08:05:14 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I seriously researched the USA for over six months, to restart my life,
and picked SF. People said \"but it\'s full of gay guys\" to which the
proper response is \"and smart beautiful single women.\"

I too did quite a bit of research and traveled around the western states
for a bout a year. I was familiar with the area east of the
Mississippi. I
picked Montana. That was over 30 years ago and I have no regrets.

It was interesting and scary to say, basically, that I\'m going to
restart my life from zero.

Not convinced that that is even possible.

> I have no regrets either.
 
On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 15:53:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rodent Speed:
\"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it\'s total bollocks most of it.\"
MID: <pj2b07$1rvs$2@gioia.aioe.org>
 
On 5 Apr 2023 00:11:34 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


No, they hang it on tree branches, because there are no doggie bins for
miles.

Don\'t even suggest that.

MORE of the endless senile SHIT in these poor ngs! <tsk>

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 5 Apr 2023 00:10:33 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


No, they carefully place the offerings along side the trail. I once
entertained the fantasy that they would pick the bag up when they came
back down the trail but I don\'t think that ever happens.

What about your constant fantasy about yourself as being some real admirable
cool \"male\" all-American shit, you abnormal endlessly gossiping senile cunt?
;-)

--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero\'s senile
life:
\"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either.\"
MID: <k84ip9Fesb1U1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 4/4/23 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/04/2023 17:47, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

Are they leaving it on the trail, where people who don\'t look where
they are going step in it?

No, they hang it on tree branches, because there are no doggie bins for
miles.

Why would people hang bags of shit on tree branches? Decoration?

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

If there were an afterlife, Isaac Asimov would have written a book about
it by now.
 
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes:
On 4/4/23 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/04/2023 17:47, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

Are they leaving it on the trail, where people who don\'t look where
they are going step in it?

No, they hang it on tree branches, because there are no doggie bins for
miles.

Why would people hang bags of shit on tree branches? Decoration?

Often they drop (or hang) the bag with the intention to pick them
up on the way back while hiking, rather than carry them the entire
hike. Quite often, they forget on the way back.
 
On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 03:06:58 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 06:15:12 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 3 Apr 2023 19:29:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We were in the Castro yesterday and I didn\'t see many dogs. There are
other neighborhoods where I think it is a felony to walk around without
a dog or a kid.

Around here a Subaru Forester and a Labrador with a red kerchief are
issued at birth. I like dogs but I wish their owners were bright enough
to
realize you\'re supposed to take the little bags of shit with you. The
cartoon instructions at the trailheads omit that part.

We have Teslas and custom bred-to-order labridoodles. The Brat is
unusual in adopting SPCA mutts.

Everyone here that walks a dog carries poop bags and uses them.

Lots of people have a nanny for the kid and a walker for the dog. Kind
of like the classic british aristocrat who seldom made contact with
either.

While they did that with the kids, they never did that
with any of the dogs except those used for fox hunting.

Even the now dead queen had lots of corgis running
around the house and used to take them with her
when she changed houses seasonally.

\"Please, we\'re British. We only show affection for dogs and horses.\"

- What A Girl Wants
 
On 05/04/2023 16:52, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 4/4/23 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/04/2023 17:47, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

Are they leaving it on the trail, where people who don\'t look where
they are going step in it?

No, they hang it on tree branches, because there are no doggie bins
for miles.

Why would people hang bags of shit on tree branches? Decoration?
No, they are surburbanites and townies and they carry bags and scoops
for their doggies poo.
Because in towns and parks there are little bins to put it on. In the
country there are not and they get fed up with carrying it so they hang
it on branches as a protest against Socialism making them collect it in
the first place and then not providing a bin for it.


--
\"When one man dies it\'s a tragedy. When thousands die it\'s statistics.\"

Josef Stalin
 
On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:57:24 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:20:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:16:45 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:24:44 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Walk barefoot like me. I can go over any terrain.

You need some goatheads.

What is a goathead?

https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=27847

Pah! We have thistles.

Last time I looked thistles didn\'t form a mat on the ground where yuo
might walk barefoot.

Do you not open your eyes when walking?
 
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 18:49:33 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 10:13:39 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:55:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 29/03/2023 16:20, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:57:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:08 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.11yr4xc1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> scribeth thus
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 13:57:51 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

You will deserve what happens next.

Very unlikely for all those things to happen at once. I didn\'t get
vaccinated
either,


I never wear a seatbelt,



I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs from cars at Ron
Charlton\'s scrapyard. Whilst going about that we noticed the number of
cars that had very bent steering wheels, this i was told was because
the drivers having hit most anything their body flew forward and their
chest impacted the wheel and bent it, and no way could we bend it back.

Ron\'s old boy there said that most all the drivers in that sort of
impact didn\'t survive:(

Then came a seatbelt\'s and that became a thing of the past once people
started using them and we got round the stupidity of \"its better to be
thrown clear of the car you know\" idiocy.

I know someone who\'s an ex A&E consultant he\'ll give you chapter and
verse on car injuries;!...

You\'re missing one important thing - likelihood. At what chance fo death would
you decide to be safe? The answer is different for everyone.

Well he doesn\'t get much choice in who he treats, be that the person who
caused the s accident or the innocent ones affected.

Me not wearing a seatbelt harms nobody else. The chances of my flying out of my car and happening to hit someone else, and having the velocity to harm them are zero.

Seat belts make room in ambulances and emergency rooms for people who
aren\'t idiots.

But on those grounds, we\'d ban people from playing rugby, swimming in
the sea, mountain climbing, motorcycling, mountain biking, etc.

If you drive a car on private property, you don\'t have to wear a seat
belt, or obey a speed limit, or have a drivers\' license.

Cars could be programmed to not go over 35 MPH if the driver isn\'t
using his seat belt. Car makers should do that to avoid liability for
injury and death.

The equivalent was tried in the 1970s, with seat belts. There were
lots of malfunctions and stranded motorists.

We all learned how to defeat the interlock. Eventually, the
government gave up, and settled for the chime.

Which you just disable. A clip from a scrapyard to put in where your belt goes fools the stupid system.

.<https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/16/archives/congress-clears-auto-safety-measure-eliminating-seat-belt-interlock.html

Joe Gwinn
 
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:49:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 10:13:39 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:55:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 29/03/2023 16:20, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:57:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:08 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.11yr4xc1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> scribeth thus
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 13:57:51 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

You will deserve what happens next.

Very unlikely for all those things to happen at once. I didn\'t get
vaccinated
either,


I never wear a seatbelt,



I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs from cars at Ron
Charlton\'s scrapyard. Whilst going about that we noticed the number of
cars that had very bent steering wheels, this i was told was because
the drivers having hit most anything their body flew forward and their
chest impacted the wheel and bent it, and no way could we bend it back.

Ron\'s old boy there said that most all the drivers in that sort of
impact didn\'t survive:(

Then came a seatbelt\'s and that became a thing of the past once people
started using them and we got round the stupidity of \"its better to be
thrown clear of the car you know\" idiocy.

I know someone who\'s an ex A&E consultant he\'ll give you chapter and
verse on car injuries;!...

You\'re missing one important thing - likelihood. At what chance fo death would
you decide to be safe? The answer is different for everyone.

Well he doesn\'t get much choice in who he treats, be that the person who
caused the s accident or the innocent ones affected.

Me not wearing a seatbelt harms nobody else. The chances of my flying out of my car and happening to hit someone else, and having the velocity to harm them are zero.

Seat belts make room in ambulances and emergency rooms for people who
aren\'t idiots.

But on those grounds, we\'d ban people from playing rugby, swimming in
the sea, mountain climbing, motorcycling, mountain biking, etc.

If you drive a car on private property, you don\'t have to wear a seat
belt, or obey a speed limit, or have a drivers\' license.

Cars could be programmed to not go over 35 MPH if the driver isn\'t
using his seat belt. Car makers should do that to avoid liability for
injury and death.

The equivalent was tried in the 1970s, with seat belts. There were
lots of malfunctions and stranded motorists.

Technology has advanced in the last 50 years.



We all learned how to defeat the interlock. Eventually, the
government gave up, and settled for the chime.

.<https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/16/archives/congress-clears-auto-safety-measure-eliminating-seat-belt-interlock.html

Joe Gwinn
 
On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 10:52:19 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

> Why would people hang bags of shit on tree branches? Decoration?

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/splatt/3672608548/

The William Creek Cat Tree is about the only tourist attraction William
Creek has to offer. I believe it even had a cameo in the film \'Last Cab to
Darwin\'.
 
On 6 Apr 2023 04:30:14 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://www.flickriver.com/photos/splatt/3672608548/

The William Creek Cat Tree is about the only tourist attraction William
Creek has to offer. I believe it even had a cameo in the film \'Last Cab to
Darwin\'.

Anyone near you should always bring one a few of those shit bags with them
to collect all the shit you keep squeezing out of your big mouth every day.

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>
 
On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 21:15:32 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:49:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 10:13:39 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:55:54 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 29/03/2023 16:20, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:57:26 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:08 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.11yr4xc1mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> scribeth thus
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 13:57:51 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

You will deserve what happens next.

Very unlikely for all those things to happen at once. I didn\'t get
vaccinated
either,


I never wear a seatbelt,



I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs from cars at Ron
Charlton\'s scrapyard. Whilst going about that we noticed the number of
cars that had very bent steering wheels, this i was told was because
the drivers having hit most anything their body flew forward and their
chest impacted the wheel and bent it, and no way could we bend it back.

Ron\'s old boy there said that most all the drivers in that sort of
impact didn\'t survive:(

Then came a seatbelt\'s and that became a thing of the past once people
started using them and we got round the stupidity of \"its better to be
thrown clear of the car you know\" idiocy.

I know someone who\'s an ex A&E consultant he\'ll give you chapter and
verse on car injuries;!...

You\'re missing one important thing - likelihood. At what chance fo death would
you decide to be safe? The answer is different for everyone.

Well he doesn\'t get much choice in who he treats, be that the person who
caused the s accident or the innocent ones affected.

Me not wearing a seatbelt harms nobody else. The chances of my flying out of my car and happening to hit someone else, and having the velocity to harm them are zero.

Seat belts make room in ambulances and emergency rooms for people who
aren\'t idiots.

But on those grounds, we\'d ban people from playing rugby, swimming in
the sea, mountain climbing, motorcycling, mountain biking, etc.

If you drive a car on private property, you don\'t have to wear a seat
belt, or obey a speed limit, or have a drivers\' license.

Cars could be programmed to not go over 35 MPH if the driver isn\'t
using his seat belt. Car makers should do that to avoid liability for
injury and death.

The equivalent was tried in the 1970s, with seat belts. There were
lots of malfunctions and stranded motorists.

Technology has advanced in the last 50 years.

But actual reliability has not improved at all, partly because it\'s
all software these days, but also because most cars are sold a bit too
soon in their development process, letting customer do the early field
testing.

My car (2018 Honda CR-V) is the poster child. It\'s always throwing
random contradictory codes and demanding to be towed in when driving
at highway speed in heavy rain. I\'ve learned to ignore the dire
warnings and keep on driving, and let the car dry out.

My wife has had similar problems with her car (2016 Audi Q3), starting
right after delivery, when on Thanksgiving Day it claimed to be
dangerously low on brake fluid. Well, brake fluid can be inspected -
the level was normal. So, sensor is confused. She did not understand
how the computer could be wrong, and we used my car instead. But
later drove her car to the dealer. There were later episodes where we
did need to have her car towed, but the effects and warnings made no
sense at all.

Joe Gwinn
 
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:53:19 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 12:24:47 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:04:31 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:27:01 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


OK, so some British-English spellings have mutated over the years:
few people uses \"gaol\" instead of \"jail\",

Unless you pronounce it gay oll, the spelling is absurd.

iirc, that was how Wilde became so familiar with Reading Gaol.

I\'m too young to know Oscar Wilde. I only know Gene Wilder.

\"Qualifications? Rape, murder, arson, and rape. You said rape twice.
I like rape.\"

Wilde was a queer before queer was cool.

Maybe so, but he was funny.
 
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:23:33 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 18:11:13 +0000, Brian Gregory
void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

On 12/02/2023 11:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/2023 19:32, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/11/23 06:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Earth and neutral are the same thing. Only two wires enter my house
from the substation.

Depends on the country.

I see no reason to have two wires at the same voltage.

That\'s something I had trouble understanding.

They are at the same voltage when no current is being drawn. When
current is being drawn, there will be a voltage drop on the
current-carrying wire.

The point is that they are not at the same voltage. ,


Surely the main, most important, point is what would happen if the
earth/neutral wire got disconnected at some point outside the home while
the live remained connected.

That happened to me in my old Victorian. Some of the lights got *very*
bright. One phase was over 140 volts. PG&E rolled a truck but the crew
didn\'t believe me; they said \"your voltmeter isn\'t calibrated\", which
makes no sense. These guys learn their trade but don\'t often actually
understand electricity.

I showed them the lights and they grudgungly admitted it might be
possible, then they found an open neutral between poles. The old Vic
apparently had no local neutral ground, or at least a very bad one.

I do laugh at you silly yanks. Two lots of 120V in series, WTF are you doing man? In the UK, lose the neutral and you get zero. In the UK, we have less connections. You can\'t mix up which live is which. You don\'t have to find the right socket for the appliance, everything is 13A 240V 3.2kW. We can also use thinner wires. What are your vacuum cleaner flexes like?
 
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:17:23 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/03/2023 14:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:48:56 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

there has to be an amplifier and isolation between the outlets

You can buy an amplifier with multiple outputs.

Someone has to make sure the amplifier can cope with short circuits in
the output.

The manufacturer will have done that.

in case someone shorts the output or feeds DC into the wire. (Some TVs
provide DC, 5 or 12V for a masthead amplifier. It won\'t be needed, but
the option to turn it on and off will be buried in the menus somewhere.)

NEver known if such weirdness. I just feed the amp with power where it
is instead of running it through the aerial wire.

It doesn\'t matter what you want to do. The fact is, some TVs and PVRs
have the facility and the option could be on by accident or default.

You can\'t expect Mrs Miggins of flat 4 to understand such
technicalities. That\'s why it\'s easier for each user to have his/her own
aerial.

I doubt turning it on would break anything.

> Cooperation required organisation.

No, it just requires you to get on with your neighbours. Your answer speaks volumes about you.
 
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:55:03 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 08:38:03 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Our national parks are way more area than all of England. Prettier too.
And cleaner. We have lots of state and city parks, too, even more area.
I live in walking distance of several city parks and paths, including a
real canyon. The USA os great that way.

Then there are the 294,275 square miles of national forests and 387,500
square miles of BLM land. Were Kinsey to visit he might figure out why
nobody lives there.

Because despite all having guns, you\'re rubbish at using them and can\'t get rid of the bears?
 

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