Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 07:38:18 +1100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 06:19:45 +1100, farter wrote:


Don\'t agree with that. You just don\'t see very many at all anymore who
can\'t read a jar label in the supermarket and who can only put \'their
mark\' on a document now.

Possibly. Back in the \'70s I knew at least two people who were
illiterate.

I know one right now, my kurdish mate\'s mother, but
she grew up in turkey and never went to school at all.

Both could compensate very well in daily life. One was a good cook and
navigated the supermarket without reading labels. Fortunately they don\'t
put pictures of tomatoes on dog food cans.

I did have one younger fella bail me up in the supermarket
and ask me if it was a bottle of metho. It wasnt clear to me
if he used to be able to read and had fucked his vision by
drinking metho. I did tell him that he shouldnt drink it, not
good for his eyes and he didnt deny he was planning to drink it.

The other was a competent maintenance man. However when I sent him to a
tool rental place to get a Hilti (powder actuated nail gun) he returned
without it. There was a 10 question safety form that had to be filled
out.
He would have known the proper answers if someone had read it to him.

Sure, but those aren\'t common at all anymore so the origingal
that there has been little change in 113 years is just plain silly.

We also saw a pattern in employment applicants. If they asked if they
could take the form home to fill it out we assumed a family member was
literate.

Consider that most Western people visiting Japan are completely
illiterate. They get by.

Getting by isnt what was being discussed. Of course those who
can\'t read or write at all can get by, Not clear what they do about
street signs tho.
 
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:29:37 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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On 25 Feb 2023 21:10:37 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Probably not. Greenwich is quite far to the east of the island so most of
Great Britain is in the western hemisphere.

Oh, fuck! What off topic senile shit is this now about, senile bigmouth?

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On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:45:52 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <tsque4$2ecm$3@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 15:05, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 13:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or so)
to 250V (or so).


Mains was always AC post WWII and probably post the advent of consumer
tube radios and IIRC was always 240VAC post WWII.

\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid created.

And then the EU stole ten of our good, English volts!

Have we got them back yet?

(But DC persisted, in some areas as late as the mid 60s.
Refrigerators, Vacuum Cleaners, Sewing Machines, Electric Drills,
Radios and TVs were available with universal input. They would all
work on AC or DC 240V (one or two DC areas were only 180V, like Dundee
or Exeter))\"

That rather contradicts your first para.

DC and non 240V was highly localised and never part of the National Grid.

The National Grid was for higher voltages. Local boards distributed at 33kV
and below.

Doesn\'t the \"national grid\" include the pylons at 400kV, 275kV, the smaller poles at 132kV, 33kV, 11kV, the 240V on wires underground to your house or overhead, and all the transformers inbetween?

Depends how you define it. Ownership? Or do exclude the branches to any lower voltage? Are you still connecting your TV to the ring main in your house if it\'s a spur?
 
On 25/02/2023 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is \"derailed\"
onto different sprockets.

(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a Frenchman
called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

Moi aussi. I always assumed it was a name, not an action.


--
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urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken
 
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 14:39:51 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 07:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:24:48 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 15/02/2023 15:27, NY wrote:

The one that I found counter-intuitive was the twist grip on handlebars
for the speed of a motorbike or electric wheelbarrow. I expected to push
the top of the grip away from me to increase speed, so as to bend your
wrist palm-downwards. But it\'s the opposite way (bend your wrist back),
because if you are thrown forwards over the handlebars on the bike, you
want the throttle to close rather than to open. Bloody painful keeping
your wrist bent *backwards*, even just for a few minutes when walking
behind an electric wheelbarrow.

That\'s because you have to pull on the throttle cable to open the
throttle. (I suppose the cable could feed into the bottom of the grip,
in which case it would be the other way round).

Twist grip gear changes on pedal cycles are the other way round: top
away to shift up a gear. Something to do with how the Sturmey-Archer hub
gears are made.

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is \"derailed\"
onto different sprockets.

I thought it was a French manufacturer. And I know how to pronounce it, but not being French can never remember or care how to spell it.

So if it\'s just the French word for derailer, we should call it a derailer in English. Otherwise we\'re no better than the frogs doing silly things like buying \"le fast food\", when they already have a word for fast and a word for food.

(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a Frenchman
called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

I just said that.

I like the name De Dion Bouton.

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way.

That\'s because in a simple tap screwing it down (with a right hand
thread) screws down on the washer.

The only good place for a reverse thread. Or simply make the screw pull
up the washer against something above it.

And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left:

I think the convention is for hot to be on the left. My kitchen mixer
tap was that way, but when a plumber replaced it he connected it the
other way for no apparent reason.

Even with the colour coding present? Was he blind?

They aren\'t colour coded; just C and H. Which I reversed as the caps
screw on.

So he was illiterate.
 
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 13:26:19 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid..invalid> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is \"derailed\"
onto different sprockets.

(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a Frenchman
called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

Moi aussi. I always assumed it was a name, not an action.

Places hands in the air like a Frenchman. Does it matteur?

The point is they\'re shit, the chain falls off. The whole basis of it is about knocking the chain off and hoping it catches the next cog and not somewhere inbetween. Then hoping you have all the the little grubscrews just right so it doesn\'t fall off the end. A typically French so what it sort of works design.

When I was a teenager I had my chain come off going up a mountain path (in Scotland). A French couple were out walking. The woman saw me and shouted to her husband who was some distance ahead/behind (I don\'t remember which way they were going). She shouted \"Phillipe!!! Une probleme mechanique!\" Phillipe was actually quite good at sorting it, using nothing but a stick.
 
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 00:26:19 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is
\"derailed\" onto different sprockets.
(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a
Frenchman called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

Moi aussi. I always assumed it was a name, not an action.

I always assumed it was the action, maybe because
I heard the name before I saw it written.
 
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 04:45:55 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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around while you talk to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them
to death.\"
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:42:55 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


So if it\'s just the French word for derailer, we should call it a
derailer in English. Otherwise we\'re no better than the frogs doing
silly things like buying \"le fast food\", when they already have a word
for fast and a word for food.

https://sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

Sheldon Brown has had a bicycle website forever. In the US the French
pronunciation is rarely used. The area where I grew up abutted Quebec.
French Canadians were rather low on the totem pole so people would go out
of their way to mispronounce French words.

https://www.nps.gov/acad/planyourvisit/isle-au-haut.htm

Locals call that isles-a-hot, with isles as in British Isles. Speaking of
which you must have picked that up from William the Bastard.
 
On 25/02/2023 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:54:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think SRAM has introduced
them again. I can\'t remember ever having them. I transitioned from the old
friction levers on the downtube to thumb shifters.

British kids enthused about the Raleigh Chopper, which had a gear knob
between their legs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Chopper#Handling_and_safety

\"The position of the gear lever could also contribute to injuries
sustained in a crash - especially on the Mk I because the gear knob
could easily be removed and lost, turning the gear lever into a metal
spike.\"

I don\'t know how many boys had their marital prospects damaged.

--
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On 26/02/2023 13:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2023 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is
\"derailed\" onto different sprockets.

(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a
Frenchman called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

Moi aussi. I always assumed it was a name, not an action.

Maybe we both heard someone jokingly say it was named after a Frenchman
and didn\'t realise it was a joke - presumably on the radio. I know I
originally thought it was related to \"derailing\".

There\'s a BBC Radio comedy programme called \"The Unbelievable Truth\"
which I have to avoid as it mixes truth with lies and I may pick up a
fact and not register whether it\'s true or not; the way it works the
fake facts have to be quite convincing.

--
Max Demian
 
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:46:08 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


The point is they\'re shit, the chain falls off. The whole basis of it
is about knocking the chain off and hoping it catches the next cog and
not somewhere inbetween. Then hoping you have all the the little
grubscrews just right so it doesn\'t fall off the end. A typically
French so what it sort of works design.

When the Japanese, chiefly Shimano, got through with the basic design it
works rather well. The hot new thing is 12 speed cassettes with 1 chain
wheel. It was getting rather ridiculous with 3X10 setups where many of the
30 speeds were redundant. However they still are slightly more efficient
since you can minimize the chain angle.

You could go with a fixed gear for ultimate simplicity.
 
On 26 Feb 2023 19:14:14 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


When the Japanese, chiefly Shimano, got through with the basic design it
works rather well. The hot new thing is 12 speed cassettes with 1 chain
wheel. It was getting rather ridiculous with 3X10 setups where many of the

What could be more ridiculous than your endless grandiloquent senile
blather, you abnormal senile gossip! <BG>

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but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
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On 25 Feb 2023 20:55:13 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:54:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think SRAM has introduced
them again. I can\'t remember ever having them. I transitioned from the old
friction levers on the downtube to thumb shifters.

One problem with the grip shifters on mountain bikes is when you\'re
holding on to the grips for dear life a bump can result in an unexpected
shift.

The new thing is motor-generator transmissions, which will be
automatics, with optional battery assist. Two-wheel drive maybe.
 
On 26 Feb 2023 18:55:43 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

Sheldon Brown has had a bicycle website forever.

Somewhat like YOU had a big mouth forever, right, you endlessly gossiping
washerwoman? LOL

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DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 18:59:37 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:54:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think SRAM has introduced
them again. I can\'t remember ever having them. I transitioned from the old
friction levers on the downtube to thumb shifters.

British kids enthused about the Raleigh Chopper, which had a gear knob
between their legs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Chopper#Handling_and_safety

\"The position of the gear lever could also contribute to injuries
sustained in a crash - especially on the Mk I because the gear knob
could easily be removed and lost, turning the gear lever into a metal
spike.\"

I don\'t know how many boys had their marital prospects damaged.

I always thought that girl\'s bikes were safer for boys.
 
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 2:38:25 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 06:19:45 +1100, farter wrote:


Don\'t agree with that. You just don\'t see very many at all anymore who
can\'t read a jar label in the supermarket and who can only put \'their
mark\' on a document now.
Possibly. Back in the \'70s I knew at least two people who were illiterate..
Both could compensate very well in daily life. One was a good cook and
navigated the supermarket without reading labels.

Don\'t Forget

Parsnips versus white carrots

Critical to tell the difference if you are making borsch

mk5000

0I’m that last tab they run at the bar
I’m a good time that goes too far
Yeah I’m rough around the edges
I’m far from perfection--Dylan Scott – Hell Out Of Me
 
søndag den 26. februar 2023 kl. 20.25.03 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 18:59:37 +0000, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 20:55, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:54:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think SRAM has introduced
them again. I can\'t remember ever having them. I transitioned from the old
friction levers on the downtube to thumb shifters.

British kids enthused about the Raleigh Chopper, which had a gear knob
between their legs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Chopper#Handling_and_safety

\"The position of the gear lever could also contribute to injuries
sustained in a crash - especially on the Mk I because the gear knob
could easily be removed and lost, turning the gear lever into a metal
spike.\"

I don\'t know how many boys had their marital prospects damaged.
I always thought that girl\'s bikes were safer for boys.

you are supposed to call them step-through nowadays ;)

They are safer, here the postal service switched all their bike years ago to step-through
and saw a large decrease in injuries from falling while getting on the bike

now they mostly have these with electric assist https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Postbud_p%C3%A5_trehjulet_elcykel_i_Park_All%C3%A9%2C_Aarhus.jpg
 
søndag den 26. februar 2023 kl. 20.14.22 UTC+1 skrev rbowman:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:46:08 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


The point is they\'re shit, the chain falls off. The whole basis of it
is about knocking the chain off and hoping it catches the next cog and
not somewhere inbetween. Then hoping you have all the the little
grubscrews just right so it doesn\'t fall off the end. A typically
French so what it sort of works design.
When the Japanese, chiefly Shimano, got through with the basic design it
works rather well. The hot new thing is 12 speed cassettes with 1 chain
wheel. It was getting rather ridiculous with 3X10 setups where many of the
30 speeds were redundant. However they still are slightly more efficient
since you can minimize the chain angle.

afaiu the new hot thing is a combination of a couple of internal gears in combination with the cassette
and all electrically actuated
 

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