Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Max Demian]

On 25/02/2023 07:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:39:44 -0000, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-15 16:27, NY wrote:
On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way. And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left: doesn\'t matter as long its separate taps with coloured
inserts, but some modern mixer taps, which rotate to vary temperature
and rock back and forth to vary water flow, have no indication as to
which way to rotate to get hot water - and sometimes you have to choose
a rotation arbitrarily and wait: if the water remains cold and never
runs warm after a while, try the other way

In Spain there are conventions on that. Hot is left. But German taps
(Grohe brand) assume hot is right. They all turn in the same direction,
although modern ones do not have any screw thread.

So when we installed a Grohe on the kitchen, we reversed the tubes. Hot
is left, but red colour.

But red?!  Hot IS red.

That\'s just a convention. And blue is cold. Sometimes cold is green
instead; why\'s that? Maybe green should be hot and red cold, as I think
green chillies are \"hotter\" than red.

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Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 25/02/2023 07:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:24:48 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 15/02/2023 15:27, NY wrote:

The one that I found counter-intuitive was the twist grip on handlebars
for the speed of a motorbike or electric wheelbarrow. I expected to push
the top of the grip away from me to increase speed, so as to bend your
wrist palm-downwards. But it\'s the opposite way (bend your wrist back),
because if you are thrown forwards over the handlebars on the bike, you
want the throttle to close rather than to open. Bloody painful keeping
your wrist bent *backwards*, even just for a few minutes when walking
behind an electric wheelbarrow.

That\'s because you have to pull on the throttle cable to open the
throttle. (I suppose the cable could feed into the bottom of the grip,
in which case it would be the other way round).

Twist grip gear changes on pedal cycles are the other way round: top
away to shift up a gear. Something to do with how the Sturmey-Archer hub
gears are made.

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers?  (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is \"derailed\"
onto different sprockets.

(Why did I go through a time of thinking it was named after a Frenchman
called \"M. De Railleur\" who invented it?)

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way.

That\'s because in a simple tap screwing it down (with a right hand
thread) screws down on the washer.

The only good place for a reverse thread.  Or simply make the screw pull
up the washer against something above it.

And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left:

I think the convention is for hot to be on the left. My kitchen mixer
tap was that way, but when a plumber replaced it he connected it the
other way for no apparent reason.

Even with the colour coding present?  Was he blind?

They aren\'t colour coded; just C and H. Which I reversed as the caps
screw on.

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:39:10 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Britain is possibly the only country where they care about which line of
the plug is neutral and which live.

YOU are possibly one of the very few sick senile assholes in these groups
who actually believe the tall stories the Scottish wanker keeps making up ad
hoc to bait you demented senile assholes with! LOL

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 14:26:58 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

That\'s just a convention. And blue is cold. Sometimes cold is green
instead; why\'s that? Maybe green should be hot and red cold, as I think
green chillies are \"hotter\" than red.

<BG> Poor troll-feeding senile idiot hasn\'t yet realized that he has
starting sounding as idiotic and retarded as the troll he keeps feeding!

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[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 14:39:51 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

Derailleur, from the French /dérailleur/ because the chain is \"derailed\"
onto different sprockets.

What is obvious now is that BOTH of you idiotic nutters have completely gone
off the rails!

--
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\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
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[farter]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:13:08 +1100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:15:24 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:


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The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly

Nonsense. Our public libraries are already socialized, our paved
streets, almost all major highways, our street lights, our sewers at
least those that collect water from the streets, the vast majority of
bridges, our public schools, most sports stadiums, the agencies that
verify our drugs and inspect our food, our police and fire departments.
the cost of our armies and navies and air forces, and other things are
all socialized, and none of that has hurt us.

Agreed with all of that.

I\'m not especially into adding much more socialized stuff but it\'s a
reasonable choice that the majority may choose to make. It\'s in no way
a threat to humanity and none of the things below will result from a
little more or even a lot more. When many people have far more than
than they need and some have little to eat

Only really the anorexics, bulemics and those who
choose to spend on illegal drugs instead of food.

> and no decent place to live,

Depends on what you call decent. Its mostly
those who choose not to work now.

> we should help those without.

But most of us dont agree with the druggys etc.

When my father graduated high school in 1910, high school was free. Now
having only a highschool education won\'t even allow one to get a decent
job,

That\'s overstated plenty of the immigrants manage that fine.

yet almost no post-high school academic or job-training education
is free. We\'ve made little progress in 113 years.

Don\'t agree with that. You just don\'t see very many at all
anymore who can\'t read a jar label in the supermarket
and who can only put \'their mark\' on a document now.

diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations

Talk about navel gazing, the two lilnes above and the two lines below
are just a bunch of meaningless blather.

Yep, his trademark.

into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 06:19:45 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[farter]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:54:18 +1100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 25/02/2023 10:13, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:15:24 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:


-- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has
utterly
Nonsense. Our public libraries are already socialized, our paved
streets, almost all major highways, our street lights, our sewers at
least those that collect water from the streets, the vast majority of
bridges, our public schools, most sports stadiums, the agencies that
verify our drugs and inspect our food, our police and fire departments.
the cost of our armies and navies and air forces, and other things are
all socialized, and none of that has hurt us.

That is not socialism.

Corse it is.

I\'m not especially into adding much more socialized stuff but it\'s a
reasonable choice that the majority may choose to make. It\'s in no way
a threat to humanity and none of the things below will result from a
little more or even a lot more. When many people have far more than
than they need and some have little to eat and no decent place to live,
we should help those without.
When my father graduated high school in 1910, high school was free.
Now
having only a highschool education won\'t even allow one to get a decent
job, yet almost no post-high school academic or job-training education
is free. We\'ve made little progress in 113 years.

That\'s socialism, Blair style

Bullshit.

diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
Talk about navel gazing, the two lilnes above and the two lines below
are just a bunch of meaningless blather.

If you cant see it, it wasnt meant for you to read.

Would you rather have a government that spend £5bn to give \'fair\'
treatment to someone who claims to be something they are not, or who
fixes the potholes in your roads?

No reason why the govt can\'t do both.

into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 13:39:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Britain is possibly the only country where they care about which line of
the plug is neutral and which live.

https://www.thespruce.com/polarized-electrical-plug-explanation-1908748

I don\'t know exactly when polarized plugs became the norm in the US but
it\'s been decades.

 

[Peeler]

On 25 Feb 2023 20:18:42 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://www.thespruce.com/polarized-electrical-plug-explanation-1908748

I don\'t know exactly when polarized plugs became the norm in the US but
it\'s been decades.

Is it gossiping time for you again, gossip? <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 07:15:03 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[rbowman]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 06:19:45 +1100, farter wrote:

Don\'t agree with that. You just don\'t see very many at all anymore who
can\'t read a jar label in the supermarket and who can only put \'their
mark\' on a document now.

Possibly. Back in the \'70s I knew at least two people who were illiterate.
Both could compensate very well in daily life. One was a good cook and
navigated the supermarket without reading labels. Fortunately they don\'t
put pictures of tomatoes on dog food cans.

The other was a competent maintenance man. However when I sent him to a
tool rental place to get a Hilti (powder actuated nail gun) he returned
without it. There was a 10 question safety form that had to be filled out.
He would have known the proper answers if someone had read it to him.

We also saw a pattern in employment applicants. If they asked if they
could take the form home to fill it out we assumed a family member was
literate.

Consider that most Western people visiting Japan are completely
illiterate. They get by.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:39:10 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2023-02-24 02:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:13:13 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk
wrote:

In article <tsqivq$vvi$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:58:47 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:33:36 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 13/02/2023 03:59, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 00:08:57 +0100, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Radios of that era had a setting named \"phone\". And a socket.
You
connected the output of the \"electric gramophone\" pickup to the
phone

Every mains valve radio had a \"Gram\" or \"PU\" socket with
switching,
usually combined with the waveband switch.

Every AC tube radio....

Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or
so)
to 250V (or so).


Mains was always AC post WWII and probably post the advent of consumer
tube radios and IIRC was always 240VAC post WWII.

\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid
created.

[Snip]

In the early 1960s, Cambridge was supplied with 200v.
Just watched a Youtube video, someone in Canada where I presume they
have 120V? He\'d got an unusual setup of two phases and no neutral, so
he could get 208V to work normal devices. Which means he could get a
(although very small) shock off either terminal. Pretty daft really,
aren\'t there plenty devices where neutral and the chassis are the
same? M\'colleague was once thrown across a room when repairing a TV.
The (internal) chassis was connected to \"neutral\" but someone had wired
the plug backwards and it was live.

Britain is possibly the only country where they care about which line of
the plug is neutral and which live.

Nope, plenty of others do too, most obviously with Australia, New Zealand,
even some countrys in the EU.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:54:04 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Don\'t they have twist grips on derailers? (However you spell that, my
newsreader doesn\'t know)

Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think SRAM has introduced
them again. I can\'t remember ever having them. I transitioned from the old
friction levers on the downtube to thumb shifters.

One problem with the grip shifters on mountain bikes is when you\'re
holding on to the grips for dear life a bump can result in an unexpected
shift.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 07:51:59 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> Don\'t motorbikes have cruise control nowadays?

Some, particularly the big Harleys and GoldWings. One of my bikes has a
screw to lock the throttle, sort of a cruise control I guess.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 07:49:39 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[rbowman]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 04:54:32 -0500, micky wrote:

That\'s cause you\'re in the Eastern Hemisphere. We\'re in the Western
one.
The Eastern one must be a lot like the Southern one where things are
upside down.

Probably not. Greenwich is quite far to the east of the island so most of
Great Britain is in the western hemisphere.

 

[Peeler]

On 25 Feb 2023 20:38:18 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Possibly. Back in the \'70s

Oh, fuck! The resident senile gossip is at it again...

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[Peeler]

On 25 Feb 2023 20:55:13 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Grip shifters were big in the \'90s although I think

Is this still that idiotic \"circuit breakers\" thread, you idiotic
troll-feeding senile bigmouth? <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On 25 Feb 2023 21:04:08 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Some, particularly the big Harleys and GoldWings. One of my bikes has a
screw to lock the throttle, sort of a cruise control I guess.

It\'s YOU who needs such a screw to throttle your endless idiotic senile
gossiping and bullshitting, senile bigmouth!

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I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

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