Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 12:59:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/02/2023 17:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:32:15 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:54:09 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-loving senile asshole, blathered:

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) sociopathic
\"life\":
\"I have seriously considered poisoning my father\"
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

You must be very unhappy. Man up and fix yourself.

You must be an even bigger idiot than I already knew you were! Oh, yes, you
ARE, poor senile sod! LOL

I think the Internet, by eliminating physical presence feedbacks and
allowing anonymous aggression, has driven many people into
pathological, and very self-destructive, behavior. After some time in
that state, it latches up and becomes incurable.

It is fun for a while, then you get bored with it.

I decided that killfilling peeler was preferable to calling him a total
cunt 10 times a day.

A moderator would help a lot.


No, it wouldn\'t.

All that happens is the moderator gets overwhelmed by whining
snowflakes, bans everyone and the newsgroup vanishes

What works, is kill files.

The strongest message you can send to sick people like peeler and
sloman is to ignore them. Diverting to electronic topics seems to
never work.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:14:49 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

The strongest message you can send to sick people like peeler and
sloman is to ignore them. Diverting to electronic topics seems to
never work.

You sick troll-feeding asshole had better worry about the \"message\" you keep
sending to everyone by notoriously feeding the *PROVEN* clinically insane
attention whore and dumbest troll that ever infested these groups,
sociopathic Peter Hucker himself. ;-)


More details (collected by \"Mr Pounder\") from the smelly Scottish wanker\'s
sociopathic life:

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") about himself:
\"I can sleep outside in a temperature of -20C wearing only shorts\".
\"I once took a dump behind some bushes and slid down a hill to wipe my
arse\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") about himself:
\"My IQ is superiour to that of most people\".
\"I am inferior in some ways but superior in other ways\".
\"I admit I should not have been born\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") on UFOs:
\"I believe that UFOs have visited us but not in recent times\".
\"I don\'t believe in UFOs\".
\"When someone says \"UFO\", they do not mean 4000 years ago. Then they
would just be \"FO\" as they hadn\'t invented flying yet\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") on women:
\"Women are inferior\".
\"Crying is unnecessary and pathetic. So is screaming. Why do women
scream when they\'re frightened? Perhaps they realise they\'re
inferior and are calling for the nearest man\"?
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") about himself:
\"I have an IQ of 140\".
\"I am seldom wrong\".
\"There is no reason the data stored in our heads cannot be
transferred\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") on Pain:
\"Pain is not harmful. The victim may well want rid of it, but it\'s
no reason for anyone to rush there\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") on rape and sex:
\"What is wrong is raping someone. It doesn\'t matter if they are an
adult or a child\".
\"The problem there is our prudishness. People ought to have sex with
everyone all the time\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") about his neighbours:
\"I will not accept money from my neighbours for doing them a favour\"
\"My neighbour just paid me £40 to brush moss off the roof of her
porch extension. It took me 10 minutes.\"
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) strange
world:
\"I have never found out the purpose of underpants\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) strange
sociopathic world:
\"I like driving fast and scaring people\".
\"If the guy behind me has his lights on too bright. I let him past
then tailgate him with my full beam on until he switches his off\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) sociopathic
\"mind\":
\"If I wanted you to stab me with a knife and kill me, you should not
get into trouble for it\".
\"I would kill my sister if I thought I\'d get away with it\".
\"I\'m not what most people think of as human\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) strange
world:
\"We should be allowed to do as we wish within reason. For example\":
\"Smoke weed in a public place, drive as fast as we like, and do both
of those stark naked. Oh and fuck in public\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) strange
sociopathic world:
\"I am proud of being nicked 10 times, and even prouder of talking my
way out of twice that number of offences\".
\"Make that 12. 9 speeding offences, 2 seatbelts, and 1 unroadworthy
vehicle\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) strange
sociopathic world:
\"I don\'t give a shit about the law\".
\"Fuck the law\".
\"It\'s only illegal is you get caught\".
\"Something being illegal does not matter\".
\"The law is irrelevant\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Birdbrain Macaw (now \"James Wilkinson\") on Jimmy Savile:
\"If he had done it against their will, they would have come forwards
earlier. The fact that they didn\'t suggests either he did nothing at
all, or the children liked it\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

Mr Pounder about Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL):
\"The clown of newsgroups you are.
In this group I\'ve tried with the best of my ability to help out people.
This is what uk.d-i-y is all about. Sometimes I\'ve got it wrong, sometimes
I\'ve got it right.
All you have ever done is to ask stupid trolling questions, then, when
somebody offers help you argue for the sake of arguing.
You have never ever offered help to anybody.
You are a genuine Prick.\"
MID: <o5ohrt$kdl$1@dont-email.me>

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) sociopathic
\"life\":
\"I have seriously considered poisoning my father\"
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) sociopathic
\"life\":
\"The cat pissed all over my mattress. I just sprayed the mattress with a can
of cheap Asda air freshener and it was fine\".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 03:14:49 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 12:59:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/02/2023 17:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:32:15 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:54:09 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously
brain
dead, troll-loving senile asshole, blathered:

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL)
sociopathic
\"life\":
\"I have seriously considered poisoning my father\"
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

You must be very unhappy. Man up and fix yourself.

You must be an even bigger idiot than I already knew you were! Oh,
yes, you
ARE, poor senile sod! LOL

I think the Internet, by eliminating physical presence feedbacks and
allowing anonymous aggression, has driven many people into
pathological, and very self-destructive, behavior. After some time in
that state, it latches up and becomes incurable.

It is fun for a while, then you get bored with it.

I decided that killfilling peeler was preferable to calling him a total
cunt 10 times a day.

A moderator would help a lot.


No, it wouldn\'t.

All that happens is the moderator gets overwhelmed by whining
snowflakes, bans everyone and the newsgroup vanishes

What works, is kill files.

The strongest message you can send to sick people like peeler and
sloman is to ignore them.

The worst of them spew regardless even if everyone ignores them.

Diverting to electronic topics seems to
never work.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 05:44:03 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Shit you\'re thick/pathetic excuse for a troll.\"
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1@news.mixmin.net>

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 +0000, R D S
<rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

Good point. So they are just like wall toggle switches for lights.

Edison invented a lot of switches, etc. but I don\'t know if that
included toggle switches or circuit breakers. If it did, he may have
set the pattern. At any rate, up since more like On to me. Off is
looking DOWN at the floor, your eyes mostly closed, you\'re almost
asleep, and that is a lot like OFF.

Looking UP is like being ON, lifting your head, looking around, paying
attention. Like a conductor raising his baton just before the music
starts. Like a starter raising his arm to shoot off the starter pistol
before a race.

On the other hand, Down is like pointing at the ground and saying Stand
here, Don\'t move. That is OFF.


I\'ve been to Edison\'s laboratory in West Orange New Jersey. I went in
the 70\'s when it was just like he left it the last day he worked there,
shortly before he died in the fall of 1931. It still had the same
stalks of goldenrod leaning against a wall, that he was trying to use to
make artificial rubber. It still had all the chemicals in jars, but a
few years after I was there, they decided some of those could explode,
and they cleaned the place up some. I dont\' know how much.

I visited his house too, which is nearby, and that was nice, but not
exceptional since I\'ve been to other houses from the period. He bought
the house in 1886. I don\'t know how old it was at the time.

I think they are both still open for tourists, and the lab is much more
interesting. He had a small lab in what is now Edison NJ, but I can\'t
rememeber if that took tourists or not. If it did, I was there.

I\'ve also been to the site of his first commercial power plant, in lower
Manhattan near Wall St, near the East River, but I think that is just a
plaque on the wall.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 -0000, R D S <rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

I can think of no time I\'ve accidentally fallen on a switch.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:28:35 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 +0000, R D S
rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

Good point. So they are just like wall toggle switches for lights.

No they aren\'t, I\'ve never seen a switch operate that way round, unless it\'s been put in upside down. If you install it with \"TOP\" at the top (written on the inside), the switch goes down for on.

Edison invented a lot of switches, etc. but I don\'t know if that
included toggle switches or circuit breakers. If it did, he may have
set the pattern. At any rate, up since more like On to me. Off is
looking DOWN at the floor, your eyes mostly closed, you\'re almost
asleep, and that is a lot like OFF.

Looking UP is like being ON, lifting your head, looking around, paying
attention. Like a conductor raising his baton just before the music
starts. Like a starter raising his arm to shoot off the starter pistol
before a race.

On the other hand, Down is like pointing at the ground and saying Stand
here, Don\'t move. That is OFF.

That\'s a stupidly complicated way of thinking about it. We write from left to right, and top to bottom. Most things in life follow that pattern. The accelerator for more speed is on the right, and the brake for less speed is on the left.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:27:37 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

On 2/11/23 04:56, Ian Jackson wrote:

[snip]

Yes. I always understood that down for OFF was safer, because in an
emergency it was a more-natural human action to swipe a switch
downwards.

That \"natural\" could be only because that\'s what you\'re familiar with.

There is only one correct answer here. Down for on. Think about it.
Read a book. You start from the top of the page and go to the bottom as
you read more. Down is always more. Right is always more
(accelerator/brake).

I gather than BBC studios use the opposite convention to ITV

Out of spite?

for the
direction of linear faders on mixing desks: one convention requires you
to push the fader away from you to increase the volume or brightness and
the other requires you to pull it towards you.

That\'s got me thinking, I expect a slider like that (eg a graphic equalizer on a stereo) to be up for more (turning up the amount). But an on/off switch to be down for on. I think I also expect less effort to be required to turn on a light than on, since you\'re fumbling about in the dark for it. Mind you nobody has manual lightswitches in their house anymore do they?

The one that I found counter-intuitive was the twist grip on handlebars
for the speed of a motorbike or electric wheelbarrow. I expected to push
the top of the grip away from me to increase speed, so as to bend your
wrist palm-downwards.

Same here, and my friend (when he was about 14) tried out his big brother\'s motorbike. Thinking he would slow down by pulling the top back, he accelerated very quickly into a wall and went flying through the air.

But it\'s the opposite way (bend your wrist back),
because if you are thrown forwards over the handlebars on the bike, you
want the throttle to close rather than to open.

I disagree. You don\'t want positive feedback for braking or acceleration (which is what we have with the current convention). Imagine you wish to speed up a little, you pull it back a bit, your bodyweight is pushed back by momentum, and you accelerate out of control and fall off. Or you brake slightly, get pushed forwards and slam the brakes on fully, causing you to fall off.

Bloody painful keeping
your wrist bent *backwards*, even just for a few minutes when walking
behind an electric wheelbarrow.

Don\'t motorbikes have cruise control nowadays?

On that topic, Mac and Linux are correct with their dialog boxes, and
Windows is wrong. (Only time I prefer a Mac (kid\'s toy) or Linux
(geek\'s toy) to Windows).

I\'m not sure which I\'d say was right or wrong with the OK / Cancel
buttons. But having been brought up with Windows, I still catches me out
that Linux is the opposite (not \"wrong\") way.

I use Windows 99% of the time, but I get caught out in Windows, not Mac and Linux, because of so many other things in everyday life where right means more/on/yes/affirmative.

I looked up the reasoning behind the Windows way and it\'s ludicrous. Apparently some people actually read the buttons and would prefer to only have to read one, the most often used one. I just get into the habit of left or right being the one I want, but get it wrong about half of the time (not through chance but because half the time I think logically and half the time I remember which way stupid Windows is.

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way.

My parents\'s (logical apostrophe use there) mixer tap in the kitchen always soaks me. The two knobs are at the sides, the axis horizontal left/right. But to turn them on you turn them towards you. So one is clockwise and one is anticlockwise. Of course I always turn them anticlockwise for on and clockwise for off. So every time I turn off one of them I instead turn it from slow to full and get soaked.

And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left:

Both mine are hot on the left, which presumably because we say \"hot and cold water\".

doesn\'t matter as long its separate taps with coloured
inserts,

I never look at those, I just remember which side is which, why waste brain power?

but some modern mixer taps, which rotate to vary temperature
and rock back and forth to vary water flow,

My parents\'s old one was like that, but not very stiff. It was a 3 inch long chrome lever pointing forwards when set to 50% hot. You lifted it to turn it on, but it was almost impossible to turn it on slightly. The kitchen floor was always wet, nobody could get the hang of it. I should of dismantled it and seen if I could tighten it.

have no indication as to
which way to rotate to get hot water - and sometimes you have to choose
a rotation arbitrarily and wait: if the water remains cold and never
runs warm after a while, try the other way

I\'ve never understood the need for hot water in a sink, are your hands that girly you need to keep them warm?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:31:32 -0000, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

In article <8PWdnYbdSZN3ZHH-nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY
me@privacy.net> scribeth thus
On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

On 2/11/23 04:56, Ian Jackson wrote:

[snip]

Yes. I always understood that down for OFF was safer, because in an
emergency it was a more-natural human action to swipe a switch
downwards.

That \"natural\" could be only because that\'s what you\'re familiar with.

There is only one correct answer here. Down for on. Think about it.
Read a book. You start from the top of the page and go to the bottom as
you read more. Down is always more. Right is always more
(accelerator/brake).


I gather than BBC studios use the opposite convention to ITV for the
direction of linear faders on mixing desks: one convention requires you
to push the fader away from you to increase the volume or brightness and
the other requires you to pull it towards you.

They used to, don\'t anymore not whilst i was working on them it was so
that your sleeve didn\'t accidentally catch one and push it up!...

Could of just mandated short sleeves for mixing desk operaters.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:39:44 -0000, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-15 16:27, NY wrote:
On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid
wrote:

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so as
to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way. And there seems
to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should be on
the left: doesn\'t matter as long its separate taps with coloured
inserts, but some modern mixer taps, which rotate to vary temperature
and rock back and forth to vary water flow, have no indication as to
which way to rotate to get hot water - and sometimes you have to choose
a rotation arbitrarily and wait: if the water remains cold and never
runs warm after a while, try the other way

In Spain there are conventions on that. Hot is left. But German taps
(Grohe brand) assume hot is right. They all turn in the same direction,
although modern ones do not have any screw thread.

So when we installed a Grohe on the kitchen, we reversed the tubes. Hot
is left, but red colour.

But red?! Hot IS red.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:38:11 -0000, Sam E <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 2/15/23 09:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-02-15 16:27, NY wrote:
On 15/02/2023 14:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0000, Mark Lloyd
not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 2/11/23 04:56, Ian Jackson wrote:

...

What about water taps? Most turn anticlockwise to unscrew the tap so
as to increase the pressure, but a few go the opposite way. And there
seems to be no consensus as to whether the cold or the hot tap should
be on the left: doesn\'t matter as long its separate taps with coloured
inserts, but some modern mixer taps, which rotate to vary temperature
and rock back and forth to vary water flow, have no indication as to
which way to rotate to get hot water - and sometimes you have to
choose a rotation arbitrarily and wait: if the water remains cold and
never runs warm after a while, try the other way

In Spain there are conventions on that. Hot is left. But German taps
(Grohe brand) assume hot is right. They all turn in the same direction,
although modern ones do not have any screw thread.

So when we installed a Grohe on the kitchen, we reversed the tubes. Hot
is left, but red colour.

For the Spanish one, is the hot marked with a C?

My French car has \"R\" at the bottom of the petrol guage. Odd, since I\'m used to seeing F for full and E for empty. No French word meaning empty begins with R, so maybe it\'s R for red/rouge as in \"red line\", but I associate that with too many revs.

On that note, it has no red line on the rev counter. It has a limiter luckily, which limits way before the top of the dial. I think it limits about 5000, whereas the dial goes to 7000. Unusual, normally you only have 1000 more revs displayed after the red line.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 06:52:45 -0000, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:28:35 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 +0000, R D S
rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

Good point. So they are just like wall toggle switches for lights.

No they aren\'t, I\'ve never seen a switch operate that way round, unless it\'s been put in upside down. If you install it with \"TOP\" at the top (written on the inside), the switch goes down for on.

That\'s cause you\'re in the Eastern Hemisphere. We\'re in the Western
one. The Eastern one must be a lot like the Southern one where things
are upside down.

Edison invented a lot of switches, etc. but I don\'t know if that
included toggle switches or circuit breakers. If it did, he may have
set the pattern. At any rate, up since more like On to me. Off is
looking DOWN at the floor, your eyes mostly closed, you\'re almost
asleep, and that is a lot like OFF.

Looking UP is like being ON, lifting your head, looking around, paying
attention. Like a conductor raising his baton just before the music
starts. Like a starter raising his arm to shoot off the starter pistol
before a race.

On the other hand, Down is like pointing at the ground and saying Stand
here, Don\'t move. That is OFF.

That\'s a stupidly complicated way of thinking about it.

You\'re such a sweetheart. You give out crap, you get crap in return.

> We write from left to right, and top to bottom. Most things in life follow that pattern. The accelerator for more speed is on the right, and the brake for less speed is on the left.

I don\'t know what all that proves. Mine is a lot more direct.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 06:50:03 -0000, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 -0000, R D S <rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

I can think of no time I\'ve accidentally fallen on a switch.

Do you want someone to explain what he meant? I thought it was obvious.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 04:54:32 -0500, micky mouse, the absolutely idiotic,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:

> That\'s cause you\'re in the Eastern Hemisphere.

He\'s not quite right in his head, senile shithead! And neither are you, you
idiotic, troll-feeding senile arsehole!

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:15:24 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly

Nonsense. Our public libraries are already socialized, our paved
streets, almost all major highways, our street lights, our sewers at
least those that collect water from the streets, the vast majority of
bridges, our public schools, most sports stadiums, the agencies that
verify our drugs and inspect our food, our police and fire departments.
the cost of our armies and navies and air forces, and other things are
all socialized, and none of that has hurt us.

I\'m not especially into adding much more socialized stuff but it\'s a
reasonable choice that the majority may choose to make. It\'s in no way
a threat to humanity and none of the things below will result from a
little more or even a lot more. When many people have far more than
than they need and some have little to eat and no decent place to live,
we should help those without.

When my father graduated high school in 1910, high school was free. Now
having only a highschool education won\'t even allow one to get a decent
job, yet almost no post-high school academic or job-training education
is free. We\'ve made little progress in 113 years.

diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations

Talk about navel gazing, the two lilnes above and the two lines below
are just a bunch of meaningless blather.

into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 04:55:24 -0500, micky mouse, the absolutely idiotic,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:


> Do you want someone to explain what he meant? I thought it was obvious.

Do you want that this absolutely idiotic \"thread\" NEVER ends, you endlessly
bullshitting senile shithead whom obviously both, Democrats and Repubs
alike, consider a blithering idiot?

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/02/2023 10:13, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:15:24 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly

Nonsense. Our public libraries are already socialized, our paved
streets, almost all major highways, our street lights, our sewers at
least those that collect water from the streets, the vast majority of
bridges, our public schools, most sports stadiums, the agencies that
verify our drugs and inspect our food, our police and fire departments.
the cost of our armies and navies and air forces, and other things are
all socialized, and none of that has hurt us.

That is not socialism.

I\'m not especially into adding much more socialized stuff but it\'s a
reasonable choice that the majority may choose to make. It\'s in no way
a threat to humanity and none of the things below will result from a
little more or even a lot more. When many people have far more than
than they need and some have little to eat and no decent place to live,
we should help those without.

When my father graduated high school in 1910, high school was free. Now
having only a highschool education won\'t even allow one to get a decent
job, yet almost no post-high school academic or job-training education
is free. We\'ve made little progress in 113 years.

That\'s socialism, Blair style

diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations

Talk about navel gazing, the two lilnes above and the two lines below
are just a bunch of meaningless blather.

If you cant see it, it wasnt meant for you to read.

Would you rather have a government that spend £5bn to give \'fair\'
treatment to someone who claims to be something they are not, or who
fixes the potholes in your roads?

into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that \"other\" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Feb 2023 22:46:21 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-21 22:21, NY wrote:
\"rbowman\" <bowman@montana.com> wrote in message
news:k5kohsF3q0lU2@mid.individual.net...
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:34:55 -0000, NY wrote:


I imagine different people are affected differently by the same voltage
of shock. I used to know a woman at university who could feel voltages
of a few volts through her fingers - she could touch the terminals of an
AA battery (eg between finger and thumb) and tell whether it was dead.
She described 9 V from a PP9 battery as \"uncomfortable\".

9V batteries are a bit uncomfortable if you place your tongue across the
contacts but you can quickly tell the good from the ones that are fading
fast.

I never tried it with the 1.5V cells, not having a tongue like an
anteater.

I nearly said that the \"tongue test\" works for batteries, but then
tongues are a lot more sensitive than fingers (oo, Matron\"). In lieu of
an anteater\'s tongue, a little bit of wire shows that the tongue can
also detect 1.5 V. Done it also with those flat 4.5 batteries with two
springy brass terminals, as used in torches in the past.

Just touch the other end of the battery with your wet finger. The tongue
test works fine.

I had a whole bunch of new and semi-used batteries in the vegwtable
crisper drawer in the refrigerator.

I left the door open a bit for several weeks, and months after I fixed
that, I opened the drawer to get a battery and it was full of water.
But I\'m not willing to assume all the batteries are ruined. I measured
them and many were ruined but a few seemed not to be. Especially the
Sunbeam brand, which barely exists.

But then the meter stopped working, dead battery maybe, and though I
have other meters, I don\'t kow where any of them are (excwept the one
where the battery leaked and it cut the wires to both battery \"clips\")

NOw I had 5 9-volt batteries. Were any good? If so I could use one in
my dead meter.

This was 2 weeks ago before this thread and it took a couple minutes to
remember the tongue test. They were all dead. Couldn\'t feel a thing.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-24 02:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:13:13 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk
wrote:

In article <tsqivq$vvi$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:58:47 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:33:36 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 13/02/2023 03:59, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 00:08:57 +0100, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Radios of that era had a setting named \"phone\". And a socket. You
connected the output of the \"electric gramophone\" pickup to the
phone

Every mains valve radio had a \"Gram\" or \"PU\" socket with switching,
usually combined with the waveband switch.

Every AC tube radio....  

Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or so)
to 250V (or so).


Mains was always AC post WWII and probably post the advent of consumer
tube radios and IIRC was always 240VAC post WWII.

\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid
created.

[Snip]

In the early 1960s, Cambridge was supplied with 200v.

Just watched a Youtube video, someone in Canada where I presume they
have 120V?  He\'d got an unusual setup of two phases and no neutral, so
he could get 208V to work normal devices.  Which means he could get a
(although very small) shock off either terminal.  Pretty daft really,
aren\'t there plenty devices where neutral and the chassis are the same?
M\'colleague was once thrown across a room when repairing a TV.  The
(internal) chassis was connected to \"neutral\" but someone had wired the
plug backwards and it was live.

Britain is possibly the only country where they care about which line of
the plug is neutral and which live.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-21 14:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 21/02/2023 12:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Wrap a strand of copper wire between the two screws. That\'s the fuse.

In my youth, that\'s how we detonated our home made explosives. a short
length of fuse wire or a strand from a multicore flex, , a battery -
often just a lantern battery,  and some match heads...

Never tried that, but I wanted to do it. I knew it should work.

--
Cheers, Carlos.