Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:37:58 -0800 (PST), M Kfivethousand
<marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 2:38:25 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 06:19:45 +1100, farter wrote:


Don\'t agree with that. You just don\'t see very many at all anymore who
can\'t read a jar label in the supermarket and who can only put \'their
mark\' on a document now.
Possibly. Back in the \'70s I knew at least two people who were illiterate.
Both could compensate very well in daily life. One was a good cook and
navigated the supermarket without reading labels.

Don\'t Forget

Parsnips versus white carrots

Critical to tell the difference if you are making borsch

mk5000

0I’m that last tab they run at the bar
I’m a good time that goes too far
Yeah I’m rough around the edges
I’m far from perfection--Dylan Scott – Hell Out Of Me

We\'ve been getting dark red carrots from a farm delivery service. They
are fabulous.
 
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:23:31 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


The new thing is motor-generator transmissions, which will be
automatics,
with optional battery assist. Two-wheel drive maybe.

It will be interesting to see where that goes. The trails in a couple of
popular hiking areas already have signs banning eBikes. So far they
haven\'t been a problem on the paved multi-use trails but it will only take
a few idiots scattering pedestrians on a 20+ mph bicycle before they\'re
banned there too.
 
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 18:59:37 +0000, Max Demian wrote:


British kids enthused about the Raleigh Chopper, which had a gear knob
between their legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcztF_NWHb8

Schwinn\'s StingRay variations were more popular with US kids with a death
wish.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:04:33 -0600, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:44:51 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 21:40, NY wrote:
On 14/02/2023 19:50, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:10:59 +1100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

...

Pronunciation is definitely weird. Cholmondley and Featherstoneshaugh
(Fanshaw) are beyond weird. Leicester, Gloucester, Bicester are weird
but it\'s an easy rule to learn - but as usual there are exceptions:
Cirencester is pronounced as-spelled (Siren-sess-ter) unlike all the
other -cesters. Then there are Chesham Bois and Theydon Bois where the
\"bois\" is clearly from the French for \"wood\", but it\'s pronounced \"boys\"
rather than \"bwa\" (the French way). Do other English-speaking countries
have their own place/people names that have non-intuitive pronunciations?

The word \"México\" would be pronounced different in Spain than in Mexico.
Spaniards would want to write it now as \"Méjico\". The problem is, the
pronunciation of the letter \"x\" evolved differently in Spain than in
central/south américa, and Mexicans insist we write it with \'x\' and
pronounce it \'j\' :)

I used to live in San Antonio, Texas, which is located in Bexar county.
Locals pronounce it <baer>, rhymes with bare and bear, so you can always
tell if a non-local is talking because they say the \'x\' sound and create
two syllables.

But a real Mexican would pronounce it Behar, right? Two syllables,
English h, Spanish j.

I noticed the h/j sound in Mexico when I was there, but the word didn\'t
come up that often. I think I noticed it more *before* I got to
Mexico, again from the cowboy movies, the westerns, where they
pronounced it Mehico, English h, maybe a guttural h. Those cowboy
movies were pretty good.
 
On 27 Feb 2023 04:00:16 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcztF_NWHb8

Schwinn\'s StingRay variations were more popular with US kids with a death
wish.

What off topic sick senile shit is this now, you pathological senile gossip?

--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 27 Feb 2023 03:49:10 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


It will be interesting to see where that goes. The trails in a couple of
popular hiking areas already have signs banning eBikes.

They need signs banning endlessly gossiping bigmouths like you who keep
trashing the world with their never-ending pathological senile blather!

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>
 
In article <op.10yhxu2nmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> scribeth thus
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:45:52 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <tsque4$2ecm$3@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 15:05, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 13:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or so)
to 250V (or so).


Mains was always AC post WWII and probably post the advent of consumer
tube radios and IIRC was always 240VAC post WWII.

\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid created.

And then the EU stole ten of our good, English volts!

Have we got them back yet?

(But DC persisted, in some areas as late as the mid 60s.
Refrigerators, Vacuum Cleaners, Sewing Machines, Electric Drills,
Radios and TVs were available with universal input. They would all
work on AC or DC 240V (one or two DC areas were only 180V, like Dundee
or Exeter))\"

That rather contradicts your first para.

DC and non 240V was highly localised and never part of the National Grid.

The National Grid was for higher voltages. Local boards distributed at 33kV
and below.

Doesn\'t the \"national grid\" include the pylons at 400kV, 275kV, the smaller
poles at 132kV, 33kV, 11kV, the 240V on wires underground to your house or
overhead, and all the transformers inbetween?

Depends how you define it. Ownership? Or do exclude the branches to any lower
voltage? Are you still connecting your TV to the ring main in your house if
it\'s a spur?

National grid is 400, 275, and some 132, all below that local
distribution company..

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.
 
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:34:21 +0000, tony sayer, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


National grid is 400, 275, and some 132, all below that local
distribution company..

Is this still about the sociopathic trolling wanker\'s idiotic \"circuit
breaker\" thread, you troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE?
 
On 27 Feb 2023 03:49:10 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:23:31 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


The new thing is motor-generator transmissions, which will be
automatics,
with optional battery assist. Two-wheel drive maybe.


It will be interesting to see where that goes. The trails in a couple of
popular hiking areas already have signs banning eBikes. So far they
haven\'t been a problem on the paved multi-use trails but it will only take
a few idiots scattering pedestrians on a 20+ mph bicycle before they\'re
banned there too.

Or they will be allowed. I remember when ski areas banned snowboards.

Idiots can go fast on any bike.
 
On 2/25/23 08:26, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

But red?!  Hot IS red.

That\'s just a convention. And blue is cold. Sometimes cold is green
instead; why\'s that? Maybe green should be hot and red cold, as I think
green chillies are \"hotter\" than red.

With incandescent light sources, red is coldest and blue hottest.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem Entities should not
be multiplied unnecessarily.\" -- William of Ockham, Quodlibeta
 
On 2/27/2023 7:35 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On 27 Feb 2023 03:49:10 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:23:31 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


The new thing is motor-generator transmissions, which will be
automatics,
with optional battery assist. Two-wheel drive maybe.


It will be interesting to see where that goes. The trails in a couple of
popular hiking areas already have signs banning eBikes. So far they
haven\'t been a problem on the paved multi-use trails but it will only take
a few idiots scattering pedestrians on a 20+ mph bicycle before they\'re
banned there too.

Or they will be allowed. I remember when ski areas banned snowboards.

Idiots can go fast on any bike.

Posted speed limits are common here.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:03:02 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <op.10kokyi6mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 18:13:35 -0000, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 18:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

Andy

If the breakers are sized for the wiring, there is no fire hazard
there. Romex doesn\'t get hot at rated current. Fires are started by
appliances like space heaters, which wouldn\'t be affected by the
voltage. Or overloaded extension cords, arguably a lesser hazard at
higher voltage.

Very old houses had knob-and-tube wiring with twisted junctions, in
walls and exposed in attics, and people tended to screw in bigger
glass fuses than the wire could handle. That was, sometimes still is,
a big fire hazard.

In my house, or rather my parent\'s house, fuses were just a strand of
wire wrapped around two metal screws or some metal something.

I still have those in my house and don\'t intend to change them. They\'re
far less fussy about a surge than a breaker. I switched on 7 computers
at once on a 32A circuit, and the breaker tripped. I changed it back to
a fuse and it let them boot up. They only use 16A once running. The
breaker couldn\'t handle the inrush current to charge up the bulk
capacitors in the power supplies.

Then you were using the wrong type of breaker.

You mean a broken breaker? Why do they make those then?
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:57:02 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 2/17/23 15:08, charles wrote:

[snip]

It is now a legal and recognised sign to following drivers, on a fast
road, such as a motorway or dual-carriageway, that you are approaching
standing traffic and slowing quickly to a stop. As such it needs to be
activated quickly and without having to take your eyes off the road.

I\'ve never done such a thing. If someone hits the back of me they should have been paying more attention. And since I\'m not one of those cunts who blacks out their windows (should be illegal), the person behind can see what\'s happening in front of me and gets an earlier warning I\'m likely to slow down.

In my last car, braking hard (emergency breaking) brought on the flashers.

That\'s just what I was thinking would be a good idea.

It\'s a bloody stupid idea - I can see the car is braking due to the red lights. Or I could if they didn\'t have such bright tail lights nowadays. And what\'s wrong with variable brightness brake lights? I don\'t want to flash my hazards without my permission, showing everyone I braked too late.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:14:47 -0000, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Yes.... me getting an electric shock could hurt my next door neighbour.
Just how stupid are you?
Will you promise to keep the fire from spreading?

People don\'t catch fire when they get electrocuted.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:30:58 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/18/2023 11:14 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Yes.... me getting an electric shock could hurt my next door
neighbour. Just how stupid are you?
Will you promise to keep the fire from spreading?

Will he promise to put the fire out himself? Before it spreads.

Everyone has the ability to put out a fire. Letting it get bigger while the fire brigade comes out then refuses to put it out because they can\'t turn the power off and are a pathetic bunch of pansies causes more damage.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:29:34 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-18 18:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

More shocks doesn\'t mean more deaths. You jump more at 240V, so are
more likely to let go. Try touching a 6000V electric fence and you\'ll
see what I mean.

Because high voltage electric fences, except military fences, have a
resistor in series, or fed from a limited sized capacitor, so that the
voltage drops fast when a body touches them.

You\'re missing the point. The fence makes you jump more, so away form it. Even if it wasn\'t limited it would be safer.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:52:44 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 18/02/2023 15:05, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 13:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid created.

And then the EU stole ten of our good, English volts!

Have we got them back yet?

I thought that the redefining of 240 V to 230 V was purely a changing of
the tolerance limits so as to include a wider range so both 220 V in
mainland Europe and 240 V in the UK were within the tolerance limits,
and that nothing physical changed in the generation and distribution chain.

Correct. And don\'t try using an American guitar amp in the UK without adjusting it. They think we use 220.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:56:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 18/02/2023 16:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

When CBs were legalised, it was on 27MHz FM, with
the AM sets remaining illegal and the FM sets being limited to 4
Watts. Only 40 channels were legal, although some imported sets could
access 80.

Not sure that is correct. 27 was always AM. I dont think there were more
than about 10 channels either

I thought the same as SteveW: that CB radio in UK and US both used 27
MHz, but US AM CBs were illegal and only UK FM CBs were legal.

They\'ll be making it illegal to shout in a certain register next.
 
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:01:27 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-18 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:59:24 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 00:08:57 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-12 23:00, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:42:33 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-12 20:34, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/12/23 07:39, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip]





I couldn\'t really see the difference between a used needle and a new
one, and I hope I didn\'t damage any of the records.

They do, new or not. Lots of weight in the arm.

That\'s for sure. In fact it\'s lifting the arm off of its support that
turns the steel turntable on.

A cheap stereo from the 90s was like that. Switch built into the arm.

I prefer the Garrard turntable my grandfather built into a big wooden
box with big amplifiers. Auto stop, cushioned lowering of the stylus
etc. Very smooth everything, the turntable had a lot of inertia in it,
must have been a big heavy flywheel underneath for smooth rotation.

The plate itself is the flywheel. Good ones were heavy.

Good point, it did look like a nice thick steel plate.
 

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