Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 23:03:57 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> Oh, I stopped using the tongue test

You STILL need to stop using your \"tongue test\" on the unwashed Scottish
wanker\'s dick, senile sucker of troll cock! <BG>

 

[Rod Speed]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote

Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote

I think the Internet, by eliminating physical presence feedbacks and
allowing anonymous aggression, has driven many people into
pathological, and very self-destructive, behavior. After some time in
that state, it latches up and becomes incurable.

A moderator would help a lot.

Nope, that is much worse in fact.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:46:50 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only needs
to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.

I didn\'t put them in but my panel has rejection base adapters for type S/
SL plug fuses. The 15, 20, and 30 amp S fuses are not interchangeable.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:13:13 -0000, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <tsqivq$vvi$4@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:43, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:58:47 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:33:36 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 13/02/2023 03:59, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 00:08:57 +0100, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Radios of that era had a setting named \"phone\". And a socket. You
connected the output of the \"electric gramophone\" pickup to the
phone

Every mains valve radio had a \"Gram\" or \"PU\" socket with switching,
usually combined with the waveband switch.

Every AC tube radio....

Mains was always AC wasn\'t it?

If course it wasn\'t (in the UK). Mains was AC or DC, and 120V (or so)
to 250V (or so).


Mains was always AC post WWII and probably post the advent of consumer
tube radios and IIRC was always 240VAC post WWII.

\"The Electricity (Supply) Act 1919 merged the 600-odd local generating
companies into area boards, who in turn were centralised into the
Central Electricity Board by the Electricity Supply Act 1925. That is
when the voltage was standardised at 240V, and the National Grid created.

[Snip]

In the early 1960s, Cambridge was supplied with 200v.

Just watched a Youtube video, someone in Canada where I presume they have 120V? He\'d got an unusual setup of two phases and no neutral, so he could get 208V to work normal devices. Which means he could get a (although very small) shock off either terminal. Pretty daft really, aren\'t there plenty devices where neutral and the chassis are the same? M\'colleague was once thrown across a room when repairing a TV. The (internal) chassis was connected to \"neutral\" but someone had wired the plug backwards and it was live.

 

[rbowman]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:30:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-02-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:14:48 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Also, Washington Post is not responding. Did the Mozzies hit it with
a bomb?

One can only hope.

I imagine their web site is hosted on Amazon\'s cloud server.

Probably, although some companies are moving off the cloud. AWS does not
come cheap.

https://www.hostdime.com/blog/move-from-cloud-to-colocation/

There are some things you can do to ease the pain. A generic Linux
instance is much cheaper per hour than Windows Server. Throwing in MS SQL
Server really ups the ante, while the price is definitely right with
PostgreSQL on Linux. Fortunately our core programs run on Linux and I
modified a couple of the programs that targeted DB2 to use Postgres.

I was tasked with determining the feasibility but I\'m definitely not a
cloud fan. I guess it\'s my conservative pessimism.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:58, Max Demian wrote:
On 18/02/2023 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:33:36 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
I don\'t think that would have been legal, certainly not in the UK.

I doubt it was illegal at that short a distance. You can (or could
recently) buy a transmitter to convert something (mp3?) into FM to go
to your car stereo. It wouldn\'t get far outside the car.

The low power FM transmitters came later. Recently I bought Thomson
wireless headphones that use UHF and reach out into the car park: much
better than Bluetooth and with no latency.

They used to be very stuffy about home transmitters in the past: If
you learnt Morse code you could become a radio ham.

There were at least two classes of licence - you needed to learn morse
for the higher licence that permitted more options and made for long
range communications.

I think you could have a radio controlled toy running at 27 MHz,
though might have needed a licence.

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license. Some things you\'re *supposed* to get one, but you can use it without. It\'s the difference between law and rule. I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\" (actually should be rule) of speeding.

> The advent of CB \"good buddy, there\'s a bear up your rear\' types more or less destroyed the band.

Not sure what you mean? What\'s wrong with CB on lorries informing each other of pigs?

RC moved up to 35Mhz and 40Mhz. 27 is now cars and toys only. No
licenses were required

Drones?

People imported 27 MHz walkie-talkies but they were illegal to use. I
think they eventually made CB radios legal.

They did.

Imported CBs were 27MHz AM and caused problems with ambulance service
communications IIRC.
Not really.

When CBs were legalised, it was on 27MHz FM, with
the AM sets remaining illegal and the FM sets being limited to 4 Watts.

Would you get jailed if you set it to 4.1 watts?

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:32:59 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 15/02/2023 16:29, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-02-15, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 15/02/2023 11:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 14/02/2023 18:31, SteveW wrote:
On 14/02/2023 17:35, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/02/2023 21:42, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching herself.

When I was a kid I used to look as the small mole on my right hand to
remind myself. It didn\'t help that I when I as taught to write it was
\"No, the other hand\"... These days I have no trouble with left or
right, nor port and starboard, or clockwise, or any of the others.

Turnwise and Widdershins? Yes the latter is a genuine wo

Deiseil is more common for clockwise, or sunwise, sunward. (These
alternative names are only needed when discussing the origin of the
direction of clock hands.)

Widdershins is the only one I *have* heard of. Turnwise, Deiseil,
Sunwise/Ward - can\'t say I\'ve ever heard of those.

Clockwise is all very well until you see a clock like this

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0602/4056/0354/products/OldPeculierBackwardClock-TheTheakston-29-07-22-4530.jpg?v=1660143292

which is a very \"peculier\" way of telling the time. The one I have used
a conventional self-contained quartz clock mechanism (ie no after-market
1:1 gears to reverse the direction) which suggests that they had the
mechanisms specially made - maybe with the stepper motor wired the
opposite way round.


It had never actually occurred to me until now that \"clockwise\" is the
same way that the sun appears to move in the sky, so the hour hand will
follow the sun (except at double speed). I must have been singularly
incurious to accept what \"clockwise\" meant without relating it to the
direction of movement of the sun.

I didn\'t think about it either.

Think about sundials for just a moment.

But this makes it totally clear.

I did, for more than a moment, and decided that the explanation is
inadequate.

No, this explains it, if you live in the northern hemisphere where most
clock makers live. Switzerland, which is famous for clocks, is in the
Northern hemisphere, where sundials go clockewise.

I did see, in Prague, a synagogue with a clock whose numbers went
\"couterclockwise\" like the url above, but that was undoubtedly an
elaborate joke, a take-off on the fact that Hebrew is written right to
left. Well, I think it would only require one more gear and these big
clocks are individually made anyhow, I think.

https://origami.watch/prague/

As usual wikipedia has an article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Town_Hall_(Prague)

These are about a different clock in Prague
https://www.bigboytravel.com/czechrepublic/prague/how-to-read-the-astronomical-clock/
https://www.czechcenter.org/blog/prague-astronomical-clock
Maybe this famous clock is what encouraged the synagogue to make another
unusual, counter-clockwise clock.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:33:16 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 15/02/2023 14:52, NY wrote:
On 15/02/2023 11:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 14/02/2023 18:31, SteveW wrote:
On 14/02/2023 17:35, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/02/2023 21:42, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching
herself.

When I was a kid I used to look as the small mole on my right hand
to remind myself. It didn\'t help that I when I as taught to write it
was \"No, the other hand\"... These days I have no trouble with left
or right, nor port and starboard, or clockwise, or any of the others.

Turnwise and Widdershins? Yes the latter is a genuine wo

Deiseil is more common for clockwise, or sunwise, sunward. (These
alternative names are only needed when discussing the origin of the
direction of clock hands.)

Widdershins is the only one I *have* heard of. Turnwise, Deiseil,
Sunwise/Ward - can\'t say I\'ve ever heard of those.

Clockwise is all very well until you see a clock like this

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0602/4056/0354/products/OldPeculierBackwardClock-TheTheakston-29-07-22-4530.jpg?v=1660143292

which is a very \"peculier\" way of telling the time. The one I have used
a conventional self-contained quartz clock mechanism (ie no after-market
1:1 gears to reverse the direction) which suggests that they had the
mechanisms specially made - maybe with the stepper motor wired the
opposite way round.


It had never actually occurred to me until now that \"clockwise\" is the
same way that the sun appears to move in the sky, so the hour hand will
follow the sun (except at double speed). I must have been singularly
incurious to accept what \"clockwise\" meant without relating it to the
direction of movement of the sun.

I\'m not entirely convinced with the explanation for the direction clock
hands move. It\'s supposed to be because of sundials, but clock faces are
usually vertical, and vertical sundials move the other way.

You had me doubting here for a bit, and I do know one vertical sundial
that\'s about 100 years old, but then I decided that even though clocks
are usually vertical, all but that one of the sundials I know are
horizontal, and I think they would have used horizontal northern
sundials to go by, since there were a lot more of them (afaik)
regardless of the expected orientation** of the clocks.

**Facing east.

(There\'s one
on the side of some old alms houses near where I live.)

I think it was just chance, or perhaps a famous clock had hands moving
deiseil. (Adjacent cogs in a gear train move in opposite directions and
it just happened that the one with a twelve hour period was going
deiseil.) In any case, the first clocks with dials has the *dial*
rotating and the hand (with fingers I think) was stationary. No idea
which way they rotated.

 

[Peeler]

On 24 Feb 2023 01:49:01 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I imagine their web site is hosted on Amazon\'s cloud server.

Probably, although some companies are moving off the cloud. AWS does not

One innocent little remark ...and it draws yet more of your inevitable
grandiloquent blather! Seriously, just WTF is wrong with you, you bigmouthed
braggart and all-American superhero? LOL

--
Yet more absolutely idiotic senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 24 Feb 2023 01:33:14 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I didn\'t put them in but my panel has rejection base adapters for type S/
SL plug fuses. The 15, 20, and 30 amp S fuses are not interchangeable.

Sorry, lowbrowwoman, but you just KEEP coming across as a bigmouth! LOL

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 10:05:18 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
\"Surely you can find an Australian group to pollute rather than posting
your unwanted guff here.\"
MID: <c1pqvgte5ldlo1rn3fpl7igtg4h8i9mk7p@4ax.com>

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-02-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:30:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-02-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:14:48 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Also, Washington Post is not responding. Did the Mozzies hit it with
a bomb?

One can only hope.

I imagine their web site is hosted on Amazon\'s cloud server.

Probably, although some companies are moving off the cloud. AWS does not
come cheap.

https://www.hostdime.com/blog/move-from-cloud-to-colocation/

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. And the largest block of
Amazon shares at 11.1%.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 23/02/2023 17:04, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:32:15 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:54:09 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-loving senile asshole, blathered:

More details from Birdbrain Macaw\'s (now \"James Wilkinson\" LOL) sociopathic
\"life\":
\"I have seriously considered poisoning my father\"
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

You must be very unhappy. Man up and fix yourself.

You must be an even bigger idiot than I already knew you were! Oh, yes, you
ARE, poor senile sod! LOL

I think the Internet, by eliminating physical presence feedbacks and
allowing anonymous aggression, has driven many people into
pathological, and very self-destructive, behavior. After some time in
that state, it latches up and becomes incurable.

It is fun for a while, then you get bored with it.

I decided that killfilling peeler was preferable to calling him a total
cunt 10 times a day.

A moderator would help a lot.


No, it wouldn\'t.

All that happens is the moderator gets overwhelmed by whining
snowflakes, bans everyone and the newsgroup vanishes

What works, is kill files.


--
\"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.\"

Jonathan Swift.

 

[Max Demian]

On 23/02/2023 20:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 18:28:14 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

People all over the 061 area dialled a 9 for an outside line,

Why do any offices require this?  Ours didn\'t.  If you dialled 4 digits
you got an internal line.  If you dialled anything else it went
externally.  I programmed it that way, but I\'m sure pre-digital office
exchanges could be made to do the same.  Starting with a 0 would be the
first clue.

What if you paused after the first four digits to check the number?

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 24/02/2023 04:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence
required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license.  Some things you\'re *supposed* to get one,
but you can use it without.  It\'s the difference between law and rule.
I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\" (actually
should be rule) of speeding.

\"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

The same with passports. Once, you could go wherever you liked in the
world without any documentation. However, it might be a bit dangerous,
so the King issued documents to encourage Johnny Foreigner to be more
respectful. My passport says, \"Her Britannic Majesty\'s Secretary of
State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it
may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance,
and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be
necessary.\" (Presumably King Charles will honour the request of his mother.)

Since WW1 (I think) we have needed a passport to /enter/ a foreign country.

More recently we have needed a passport to /leave/ the country, at least
by air.

And now we have \"visas\" (which just means \"seen\") that we have to have
to /enter/ a specific country, as well as the passport.

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:14:12 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> What if you paused after the first four digits to check the number?

What if you senile cretin didn\'t fall for every single bait the gay Scottish
wanker and attention whore keeps setting out for all you senile assholes in
these groups? <BG>

--
Max Dumbian having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:31:30 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> \"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom.

What about SENILITY? What does senility mean to a senile troll-feeding
shithead like you?

--
Max Dumbian having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 12:59:05 +0000, The Natural Idiot bullshitted again:

It is fun for a while, then you get bored with it.

I decided that killfilling peeler was preferable to calling him a total
cunt 10 times a day.

This coming from the obviously deranged cunt who visibly HELPS the trolling
Scottish attention whore to make a success of his idiotic \"threads\" by
answering all the troll-feeding shitheads that keep feeding the troll! You
aren\'t aware what an idiot you really are, are you, TNI? LOL

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 24/02/2023 13:31, Max Demian wrote:

On 24/02/2023 04:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t
think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence
required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license.  Some things you\'re *supposed* to get
one, but you can use it without.  It\'s the difference between law and
rule. I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\"
(actually should be rule) of speeding.

\"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

Yep. You need a dog license to do dogging...

The same with passports. Once, you could go wherever you liked in the
world without any documentation. However, it might be a bit dangerous,
so the King issued documents to encourage Johnny Foreigner to be more
respectful. My passport says, \"Her Britannic Majesty\'s Secretary of
State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it
may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance,
and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be
necessary.\" (Presumably King Charles will honour the request of his
mother.)

Since WW1 (I think) we have needed a passport to /enter/ a foreign country.

More recently we have needed a passport to /leave/ the country, at least
by air.

And now we have \"visas\" (which just means \"seen\") that we have to have
to /enter/ a specific country, as well as the passport.

But not to go dogging, fortunately.

--
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:31:30 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 24/02/2023 04:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence
required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license.  Some things you\'re *supposed* to get one,
but you can use it without.  It\'s the difference between law and rule.
I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\" (actually
should be rule) of speeding.

\"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

The same with passports. Once, you could go wherever you liked in the
world without any documentation. However, it might be a bit dangerous,
so the King issued documents to encourage Johnny Foreigner to be more
respectful. My passport says, \"Her Britannic Majesty\'s Secretary of
State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it
may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance,
and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be
necessary.\" (Presumably King Charles will honour the request of his mother.)

Since WW1 (I think) we have needed a passport to /enter/ a foreign country.

More recently we have needed a passport to /leave/ the country, at least
by air.

And now we have \"visas\" (which just means \"seen\") that we have to have
to /enter/ a specific country, as well as the passport.

English is wonderful. Words have many different, sometimes opposite,
meanings, and many words are available for mosty any concept or
object.