Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/02/2023 04:06, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Feb 2023 10:11:56 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/02/2023 22:13, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-02-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films. Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with
limited success.

The word you\'re looking for is brutalism. It was/is a style:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture

Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory commercial
buildings.

It\'s about how this country was settled: plenty of timber, no
restrictions on cutting it on your own property; easy for the
yeoman-farmer to build with, especially since there were all
those felled trees left from clearing the virgin forest.

It\'s not a bad material. The oldest surviving timber-frame house
in the U.S. was built in about 1640.

There\'s quite a few older than that in the UK.

However the problem is that the statistics show that eventually nearly
all of them catch fire.

I don\'t see how that could be. There are maybe 100,000 wooden houses in
the Baltimore area and I don\'t think more than 50 burn down a year.
That\'s 5/100\'s of a percent, which means it would take 2000 years for
them all to burn down. Is that what you mean by eventually?

Broadly speaking, yes.

Modern houses in the USA are probably more fire resistant, and you have
a fire department.

These are quite a recent invention.

In the Great Fire Of London, over a square mile of wooden houses was
completely destroyed. 100% attrition.


We lose

about 10 or 20 very nice houses a year by new owners tearing them down
to build something bigger or nicer. As neighborhoods get older, that
number is surely increases, before they have a chance to burn down.

That is today, we were talking about \'traditional\' houses.
Structurally it looks like 700 years is possible with wood. But several
thousand with stione or brickk.
..

And there is nothing left to rebuild.

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[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:59:02 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 21:48, ehsjr wrote:
On 2/11/2023 6:31 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:16:07 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 10:45, SteveW wrote:
On 11/02/2023 09:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive
they trip
more often than others?
I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well
as just
looking for overloads.

I used to have a problem with random tripping of the whole house RCD.
Removing that and replacing all the previously RCD protected MCBs with
RCBOs, split any base leakage (mainly filters on power supplies of a
lot
of electronic items) across separate circuits and we have not had a
single false trip since.

I used to have a problem with random tripping of the whole house RCD.

Then I fixed the earth<->neutral short in the workshop and apart from an
electrocuted mouse, it hasn\'t tripped since.

Earth and neutral are the same thing. Only two wires enter my house
from the substation.

In Philosopher\'s situation, there were 3 current paths:
Hot---1---device-----+-2--neutral-----ground
|
+-3---ground
(view above in an ascii font)

In words: current flows on the hot wire (path1),
through the device and then on two separate paths
to ground. One path (path2) is on the neutral wire
to the panel to ground. The other path (path 3) is
through the short circuit (between neutral and ground)
in the workshop.

The RCD compares current flow on the hot wire to
current flow on the neutral. If there is a difference
of flow in low milliamps (5ma in the US, not sure
in the UK but maybe 20 ma) the RCD (or GFI in the US)
trips. With the short to ground in the workshop a
large amount of the current that would normally be
on the neutral wire goes to ground, meaning the current
on the neutral wire that the RCD \"sees\" is a lot lower
than the current on the hot wire, so the RCD trips.

Oh it was enough to trip a 100mA whole house trip.
If you plugged in near the short.

Why would it matter where you plugged in?

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-17 12:52, NY wrote:

I wish cars would standardise on putting the hazard lights switch on the
end of one or other of the stalks, rather than putting it in some
arbitrary position on the dashboard. It means the driver can hit the
hazard lights switch without having to take his hands off the wheel and
his eyes off the road; the downside is that it can\'t be reached by a
passenger. On my Peugeot 306, I learned how to reach the switch without
taking my eyes off the road

Here it is apparently illegal to switch on those lights if the car is
moving. Thus, no reason to put the switch on the stalks.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-02-19, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> writes:
[...]
10 and 12 were also used out west. And don\'t forget the articulated
options that had 12 or 16 (6 or 8 total drive axles). I think one of
the eastern roads went with a triplex design of 2-6-6-6-2 or something
like that; but it didn\'t work all that well (too steam hungry).

My favorite (At the California Railway Museum in Sacramento):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-8-8-2

It\'s much larger than it appears in the picture (look for the
placcard holders alongside for a sense of scale).

The cab was forward of the stack to avoid suffocating the drivers
in the long sierra tunnels.

Yeah, the 4-8-8-2 cab-forwards are pretty neat. I was always more
fascinated with the eastern roads (NYC, PRR, NKP, etc.); though you
can\'t really argue that the SP, UP, and other western roads didn\'t have
some impressive machinery.


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[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 12:52:01 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 13:14, SteveW wrote:
On 11/02/2023 11:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/2023 10:45, SteveW wrote:
On 11/02/2023 09:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive they
trip
more often than others?
I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well as
just
looking for overloads.

I used to have a problem with random tripping of the whole house RCD.
Removing that and replacing all the previously RCD protected MCBs
with RCBOs, split any base leakage (mainly filters on power supplies
of a lot of electronic items) across separate circuits and we have
not had a single false trip since.

I used to have a problem with random tripping of the whole house RCD.

Then I fixed the earth<->neutral short in the workshop and apart from
an electrocuted mouse, it hasn\'t tripped since.

No shorts found on ours, it was simply too many computers and
peripherals, with filters that constantly leak to earth, meaning that it
was always high enough that it would take very little to raise it over
the trip level and something coming on automatically might be just
enough of a change to do it. It was infrequent (once every couple of
months), but annoying (waking up late because the alarm had not gone off
or losing a freezer load of food because we were away for a few days
when it tripped - we lost two lots that way).

There are RCD that auto reset. Expensive, though.

Some health and softy cunt will soon make those illegal. Someone could get shocked twice!

 

[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-02-19, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-02-19 19:31, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> writes:
[...]
10 and 12 were also used out west. And don\'t forget the articulated
options that had 12 or 16 (6 or 8 total drive axles). I think one of
the eastern roads went with a triplex design of 2-6-6-6-2 or something
like that; but it didn\'t work all that well (too steam hungry).

My favorite (At the California Railway Museum in Sacramento):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-8-8-2

It\'s much larger than it appears in the picture (look for the
placcard holders alongside for a sense of scale).

The cab was forward of the stack to avoid suffocating the drivers
in the long sierra tunnels.



Wow. I don\'t remember ever seeing that one.
¿How was the coal fed, maybe automatic? Wait, the article says the
firebox is at the front, too. But the tender is behind. Weird.

They were oil burners.


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[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:33:03 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-12 01:54, NY wrote:
On 11/02/2023 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
e.g. UK railways signals were always horizontal for stop, but in the
days of broken cables they moved from down=go (lower quadrant) to up=go
(upper quadrant)...as this required less weight to unbalance them to
failsafe.

Why are there four lights? They add blue I think.

The lights are (and I might have got the order upside down)

red
yellow
green
yellow

Red = Stop
Green = Go
Single Yellow = next signal is red, so prepare to stop at it
Double Yellow = next but one signal is red (used where linespeed is
higher and stopping distances are greater than spacing of signal posts)

That last one is interesting. The other three match what I see here
(Spain), the last I don\'t know. Could be.

Maybe it\'s for shit drivers.

Mind you the whole idea of metal wheels on metal tracks is crazy. If I drive my car with bald tyres, I\'m breaking the law.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 03:05:55 +1100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

On 2023-02-17 04:52, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:45:30 +1100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 16:26, Scott Lurndal wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:30:34 +0100, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 05:45, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:32:44 +0100, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


I think all houses have circuit breakers, but that doesn\'t mean they
have a fully compliant installation.

I don\'t think they\'ve ever ordered that here. Althought some people
remodel and upgrade on their own. A friend bought a 100-year old
farmhouse about 10 years ago and it still had knob and tube wiring.
I
think it was connected and in use.
A lot of insurance companies will exclude electric-caused issues
from the policy if the home has knob and tube here in the states.

I had to look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring

I\'ve never seen it here. Maybe, just maybe, something related from
before I was born. But we don\'t build houses with wood, like in the
photos. All brick, mortar, stone, concrete.
Bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wooden+houses+spain&tbm=isch

Did you check the percent?

You said DON\'T and ALL.

 

[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-02-19, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-02-19 18:40, Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2023-02-18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-02-18 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Steam locos were not rated in horsepower, but \'tractive effort\' . How
many tons of pull they could generate before the wheels slipped.

That\'s why they had a lot of driving wheels - at least four, generally 6
and up to 8.

I suppose this assumes that the tracks do not bend, vertically or
horizontally, or some of the wheels could loose pressure, as there are
no springs on the loco wheels (but the wagons do have them, so there
must be imperfections on the tracks).

Steam locomotive drivers are sprung. It\'s just that the suspension is
inboard of the wheels (as opposed to freight cars and diesel locomotives
where the suspension is on the outside).

Ok, my mistake.

But can the wheels adjust independently? Or all of them in a block?

I have difficulties imagining they move independently, because there is
a long beam (I don\'t know the correct English term, sorry) connecting
all those wheels to the steam cylinder. Also there are a lot of metal
tubings.

Unlike on model trains (where the main drive rods are solid), full-scale
(i.e. \"100 mm to the meter\" / \"12 inch to the foot\" scale) drive rods
are only as long as they need to be to get between each driver.

That is, they\'re hinged at the wheel crankpins. Depending on the exact
locomotive, this means that the rods were either stacked on the pin; or
there was a sub-assembly for each one.

For example, on the pic of the cab-forward posted by Scott in MID
<SVtIL.186873$Ldj8.77992@fx47.iad>; you can clearly see that joint pin
just forward of the main crankpin (and if you look closely, just
rearwars of the crankpin of driver #3 -- but that\'s hidden a bit by the
valve and piston gear.


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[Peeler]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:04:11 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

You must be an even bigger idiot than I already knew you were! Oh, yes, you
ARE, poor senile sod! LOL

I think

Please don\'t! Only more senile shit will ensue!

<FLUSH rest of the senile crap again>

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.10pblzyxmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and
you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete:
https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without
fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg
(I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no
covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off
the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

I was always surprised that all the fuse-wire holders in a UK fuse box were
interchangeable - there was nothing to stop you inserting a 15 A
lighting-circuit fuse in the slot for a 30 A ring-main. Everything would be
fine until someone turned on both a kettle and and electric fire on the same
ring main (thereby drawing more than 13A) and the 15 A fuse would blow.

It would have been better if the fuse holders had been designed to have
different size pins to avoid this. Of course there would still be nothing to
stop someone wiring 30 A wire into a 15 A holder, but that is (probably)
less likely than someone pulling out several fuses and then putting them
back in the wrong locations. At least the fuse holders and sockets in the
fuse box were colour-coded with domino spots which had to match.

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only
needs to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.

There are two types of screw fuses, \"T\" and \"S\".

\"A type T fuse looks a lot like a lightbulb and screws into the
sockets of old fuse boxes. Conversely, the type S fuse requires
an adapter base to work with Edison type sockets. Type S fuses
are designed to be tamperproof. They help homeowners not
accidentally use the wrong fuse for their circuits.

A type S fuse has an adapter base with a unique size and thread
so you don\\u2019t mismatch the fuses. In other words, the size and
thread of the base prevent you from putting a 15-amp fuse in a 20-amp
circuit. However, a type T fuse will work with any Edison socket
irrespective of the amperage of the circuit. If your home has an
old fuse box that uses Edison sockets, talk to the technicians at
[company_name] about making the switch to socket adapters that use
S fuses. This can make your panel a lot safer.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:50:48 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 15:28, Joe wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:53:05 -0000
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:23:55 -0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:15:36 -0000
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

What I\'ve never understood is people indicating the wrong way. I
know someone who can\'t remember which is which - I pointed out you
move the stalk the same way you\'re going too turn then wheel, and
she thought that was some kind of brilliant idea. And I know
someone else who came up with some crazy reason it\'s best to tell
people you\'re going the other way as somehow lying puts you at an
advantage?

I once drove a BMW (not mine) and the indicators were very clever.
Push in the appropriate direction to turn them on, push the other
way to cancel (e.g. changing lanes where the wheel doesn\'t move
far). However, linger a fraction too long on the cancel, and it
starts indicating the other way...

Sounds stupid. Firstly, when changing lane I don\'t push hard enough
for it to latch. It indicates until I let go. Secondly, when you
push back the other way to cancel (I never have to do this since
indicators self cancel), you move it one click for off and two to
indicate the other way, obviously.

The point was that this wasn\'t a mechanical switch that could be held
partly on without latching. It was two buttons. Press one and the
indicator comes on and stays on until there is enough movement of the
wheel to cancel. Manual cancel was by pressing the opposite button for a
very short time. It took me about a hundred miles on a motorway to get
the hang of it.

I had an Opel Corsa with a similar design. Traditional stick, but with
no mechanical latch. Electronic logic. But it could be moved soft or
hard. Moving soft it did not latch. Move soft and release, blinked three
times.

But the next Corsa has a traditional mechanical switch again.

I had a Corsa, cheap shit, bottom of the range. The worst model you could get form GM/Opel/Vauxhall/Holden (why the fuck can\'t they use the same name worldwide?) I can\'t believe they ever put anything electronic in a Corsa. I went over a speed bump at only 4 times the speed limit and snapped the rear axle in half. If there was any justice the council would have paid for that criminal damage.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:10:59 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 19:54, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 05:30:17 +1100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-14 19:18, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 01:17:43 +1100, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <op.10bquhfubyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:00:14 +1100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:




Yes, I\'m not saying that Japanese grass and veg is blue, just they
(apparently) used the same word to describe both green and blue.

Sounds unlikely given that they must have noticed that the sky and
grass  arent the same color

Languages are strange things,
 Specially  the ones like english which have hijacked
useful words from any language of a country they
have fucked over or had anything to do with.

and some don\'t have words for the bleedin\' obvious.
 Can\'t think of any examples of that.

For example, Latin and in Gaelic seem to have difficulty with the
simple concept of \'Yes\' and \'No\'.
 Presumably because they prefer more subtle variations of those words.
 Same with languages which dont have a simple \'you\' and
have different words used for those you know well and
those you don\'t.

English uses \"you\" for both plural and singular.

Some use the word yous for the plural. I used to say \'you too\'
when asking the parents what they planned to do when together
and for some reason my stupid step mother didnt like that phrase.

\"Thou\" is not used.

I didn\'t mean that. I meant when two different words are
used in some languages like german for people who are
familiar to the speaker or not.

Like tu and usted in Spanish, or ??? and ustedes.

Once in 1971, I met a pretty girl on the street in Guatamala City, and
when I asked directions, she didn\'t seem to be in a hurry, and I wanted
to get to know her, but the conversation ended. Later I thought she
might have been put off because I kept addressing her as usted instead
of tu, which was by then the standard among people our age. But I had
learned Spanish starting only 5 months before, and usted was one of the
half-dozen words I knew before then.

The verb \"to be\" in Spanish is two different verbs with obviously
different meanings (to us Spanish), but English speakers confuse them
all the time.

How did you find english ?  It can be a bizarrely complicated language
for some like a mate of mine who while being turkish/kurdish, spent his
entire school time in australian schools. They did speak their own language
at home and his mother has almost no english at all. His dad isnt too
bad at all.

Initially, difficult. Then, easy. It is an easy grammar. Spelling is
just memory, I never learned any rules. I either know the word or not.
Pronunciation was more difficult: there are many vowel sounds that are
hard to get (we simply can not hear the difference: for example, \"oil\").
I can hardly guess right how to pronounce a new word.

Someone in the hotel I was staying at spent a full 5 minutes teaching me
how to say periodico in Spanish (I think I kept saying the I as a
vowel), and a guy on highway crew that picked us up hitchhiking spent 5
minutes or more how to say a V that is half-way betweeen a B and a V,
v-vaca vs b-burro.

I can\'t remember what it is now but there was some word I learned to say
from cowboy movies (that is, any Western movie about the late 1800\'s)
and later I found out Mexicans pronounced it that way in rural areas,
but more simply in the city. So the cowboy movie set in the
countryside was right. I think it was a nasal \"sing song\" up-pitch at
the end of \"Si, senor\".

I do almost all their govt forms because they don\'t know what words like
spouse mean.

LOL I think I never heard that word until I was 10 years old. There
was a group of words I\'d never heard until we moved to Indiana when I
was 10, reflect meaning to think, etc. The teacher Mrs. Tune used them
and to myself I called her Looney Tune becuase of her strange language.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:33:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films. Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with
limited success. Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory
commercial buildings.

Hardly a fair comparision given the abysmally low population density in
\"your area\".

The density in the city is about 2300 / square mile and has grown by 30%
since 2000. apartments and single family dwellings are springing up like
mushrooms after a rain.

There were plenty of those concrete monstrosities built in the large
cities of the american east as well as the UK during the 1950/60s.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/f5/8d/e2f58d2ba318db853f43b8bf68d1e947.jpg

It was a different style where I grew up. They were built in \'54. It
didn\'t take long for the denizens to destroy them and they were abandoned
in \'89. It took until 2000 before the city demolished them.

The Taylor Apartments were a similar high rise design also built in the
\'50s. They finally started to demolish them last year.

Brick was the favored building material so we were spared the poured
concrete style that look like they took the forms down and called it a
day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte_Marie_de_La_Tourette#/media/
File:Sainte_Marie_de_La_Tourette_2007.jpg

Le Corbusier at his finest...

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:54:41 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 13:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:03:39 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:
I\'m sure the modern ones will work any way around you wanted. If you
don\'t
like it simply do a head stand before you change them.

My main question, however is why are some breakers so sensitive they
trip
more often than others?
I think they are way too complex now with earth leakage as well as
just
looking for overloads.

Here all houses have mandatorily a whole house RCD. Since many years.

And if you don\'t have one you what? Go to jail?

You do not get electricity.

Remind me never to live in that communist state. It really is none of anyone\'s business how safe you are.

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-17 02:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:44:14 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-11 14:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:

...

What I\'ve never understood is people indicating the wrong way.  I know
someone who can\'t remember which is which - I pointed out you move the
stalk the same way you\'re going too turn then wheel, and she thought
that was some kind of brilliant idea.  And I know someone else who came
up with some crazy reason it\'s best to tell people you\'re going the
other way as somehow lying puts you at an advantage?

A teacher of mine said \"up is right, similar to the right wing being
up\" :-D

WTF is that meant to mean?

He never thought of what you say below. To him, move the stalk up means
switch right indicator on. Right is up, left is down, same as the right
wing party rules and is above, crushing the left below.

(in Spain, the right wing ruled for over 40 years during Franco
dictatorship, and when he said this we were just out of the dictatorship)

Many people have difficulty with that control. And the person that
taught them to drive did not told them how to remember it, either.

(that teacher made to parliament or senate later)

You don\'t need to remember anything, you move the stick the same way
you\'re turning the wheel!!!

I pointed this to him and he was crestfallen for a while. We liked him,
but he was peculiar

He taught painting and drawing, so he had an artistic mind.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:13:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

The word you\'re looking for is brutalism. It was/is a style:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture

That\'s about right.

\"Theodore Dalrymple, a British author, physician, and conservative
political commentator, has written for City Journal that brutalist
structures represent an artefact of European philosophical
totalitarianism, a \"spiritual, intellectual, and moral deformity.\" He
called the buildings \"cold-hearted\", \"inhuman\", \"hideous\" and \"monstrous\".
He stated that the reinforced concrete \"does not age gracefully but
instead crumbles, stains, and decays\", which makes alternative building
styles superior.\"

Several of my friends in college were aspiring architects who worshiped at
the altars of Le Corbu and Mies (van der Rohe). Form follows function! I
don\'t know which was worse, that or the inevitable pomo backlash.

It\'s about how this country was settled: plenty of timber, no
restrictions on cutting it on your own property; easy for the
yeoman-farmer to build with, especially since there were all those
felled trees left from clearing the virgin forest.

The Hudson Valley was big on brick.

https://www.haverstrawbrickmuseum.org/about

It wasn\'t the Haverstraw but my great uncle owned a brickyard. My father
was one of the scouts:

\"In the 1900’s, in an attempt to solve the labor shortage, the Haverstraw
brickyards sent representatives down to the southern states to recruit
workers from African-American communities to work in the Haverstraw
brickyards.\"

 

[NY]

On 15/02/2023 11:40, Max Demian wrote:

On 14/02/2023 18:31, SteveW wrote:
On 14/02/2023 17:35, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/02/2023 21:42, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching herself.

When I was a kid I used to look as the small mole on my right hand to
remind myself. It didn\'t help that I when I as taught to write it was
\"No, the other hand\"... These days I have no trouble with left or
right, nor port and starboard, or clockwise, or any of the others.

Turnwise and Widdershins? Yes the latter is a genuine wo

Deiseil is more common for clockwise, or sunwise, sunward. (These
alternative names are only needed when discussing the origin of the
direction of clock hands.)

Widdershins is the only one I *have* heard of. Turnwise, Deiseil,
Sunwise/Ward - can\'t say I\'ve ever heard of those.

Clockwise is all very well until you see a clock like this

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0602/4056/0354/products/OldPeculierBackwardClock-TheTheakston-29-07-22-4530.jpg?v=1660143292

which is a very \"peculier\" way of telling the time. The one I have used
a conventional self-contained quartz clock mechanism (ie no after-market
1:1 gears to reverse the direction) which suggests that they had the
mechanisms specially made - maybe with the stepper motor wired the
opposite way round.


It had never actually occurred to me until now that \"clockwise\" is the
same way that the sun appears to move in the sky, so the hour hand will
follow the sun (except at double speed). I must have been singularly
incurious to accept what \"clockwise\" meant without relating it to the
direction of movement of the sun.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:50:37 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Initially, difficult. Then, easy. It is an easy grammar. Spelling is
just memory, I never learned any rules. I either know the word or not.
Pronunciation was more difficult:

Yeah, I have always maintained that the poms particularly
pronounce some stuff wierdly, so they can instantly work
out who are unspeakable foreign devils. Particularly words
like Cholmondeley, pronounced chummly.

There was an I Love Lucy episode about that, when they visited London.

 

[rbowman]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

10 and 12 were also used out west. And don\'t forget the articulated
options that had 12 or 16 (6 or 8 total drive axles). I think one of
the eastern roads went with a triplex design of 2-6-6-6-2 or something
like that; but it didn\'t work all that well (too steam hungry).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy

I grew up in the Tri-Cities area of NYS. It was a sad time when ALCO went
out of business like so many of the manufacturing concerns in that area.