Where can I buy a large analogue meter?...

[rbowman]

On 04/30/2022 05:27 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> European adults can mostly digest lactose. Asians mostly can\'t. Whether the diary industry in Europe would have got as big as it has if we hadn\'t selected fro this variation is the kind of question you ought to ask, or a least think about if you could manage that kind of thinking.

https://www.bizvibe.com/blog/food-beverages/top-10-largest-milk-producing-countries

Just sayin\' since India is Asian, particularly if you\'re a Brit. Another
technicality governs whether the US or India is #1. The US is the #1
producer of milk from cows. India also milks buffaloes making them #1
for milk from any sources.

Northern India tends to be truly lactose tolerant as might be expected
from the Indo-European migrations. Recent studies indicate many people
are partially intolerant and aren\'t fully utilizing the lactose while
some are intolerant but don\'t exhibit and symptoms.

China is interesting. Supposedly Chinese people are lactose intolerant
but they are growing their domestic dairy sector and are importing dairy
products. At first I thought they might be exporting but that doesn\'t
seem to be the case.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:43:01 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:19:16 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:08:42 +0100, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything that
can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are different
species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.
Incorrect. A blue fronted amazon and a yellow crowned amazon are the same genus but different species. They produce offspring that are fertile, just like two different types of dog.

Again, different species, breeding ok. Different genus/race, breeding not ok. Since we can breed with niggers, they must be the same genus/race. So \"nigger\" cannot be racist.

Your failure is to actually read about the definition of species and breeding. Yes, there are separate species that can interbreed, but they must be separated spatially, typically by geography.

Oh look, niggers and caucasians started seperated until we got planes and boats.

> Breeding has NOTHING to do with the genus level of taxonomy.

It\'s the very definition of genus. And in humans, the human RACE it\'s called. Race is English for the Greek word genus.

\"Chimpanzees and bonobos have interbred several times since their populations split a few million years ago, and the bonobo genome also carries DNA that seems to have come from a third, unidentified species.\"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelmarshalleurope/2018/08/28/a-long-busted-myth-its-not-true-that-animals-belonging-to-different-species-can-never-interbreed/?sh=5f4c44823e65

The idea of interbreeding is typically a species related matter, but not absolute.

Your idiotic rantings about blacks being a different species from whites is your own idea and not supported by biology in any way.

I could guess about where you picked up these ideas, as I\'m certain they are not your own, original thoughts. But no point in guessing about such an inconsequential matter. You are doomed to live in ignorance for your entire life. I hope the world treats you appropriately.

They are identical to what happens with my amazon parrots. All amazon parrots are one genus. Each one is a different species. All can make fertile babies. Just like all the different human species.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:40:28 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 30/04/2022 14:43, Ricky wrote:

Your failure is to actually read about the definition of species and
breeding. Yes, there are separate species that can interbreed, but
they must be separated spatially, typically by geography. Breeding
has NOTHING to do with the genus level of taxonomy.

In animals perhaps, although there are commercially very important
intergeneric plant hybrids in horticulture. The majority of echeveria
type succulent plants in garden centres these days are of that sort. It
allows a much wider range of shapes, colours and vigour in the crosses.

https://succulentscientific.blogspot.com/2018/07/hybrids-cross-breeding.html

Leyland cyprus (x Cupressocyparis leylandii) is one such intergeneric
cross and it sometimes sets viable seed although more usually propagates
by cuttings. Vigorous enough to have a law about growing it in the UK!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15018807

It is the source of endless neighbour disputes.

You must have stupid neighbours. I had one of those hedges between me and two seperate neighbours. The most that ever happened was one asking if I would mind cutting it a bit shorter as she couldn\'t reach the top and was unstable on a ladder. I obliged. Maybe you should try being nice to other people?

Your idiotic rantings about blacks being a different species from
whites is your own idea and not supported by biology in any way.

+1

But then the OP is an idiot racist troll (and lives under a bridge).

No, I\'m speciesist. Because the stats show niggers and mozzies and jews all shoot each other.

Native black Africans are in fact almost pure Homo sapiens - it is the
all rest of us that are slightly Neanderthal or Denisoven (and possibly
a few traces of other ancient blood lines of now extinct Homo species).

Neanderthals were apparently very intelligent, which is maybe why we beat niggers in everything requiring the brain. Nigeria, IQ 65. That\'s lower than an alsation dog.

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/interbreeding

Denisovan DNA mostly shows up in the Far East - hardly any in Europeans.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/indigenous-filipino-group-has-highest-known-denisovan-ancestry-69089

Eurasian DNA ranges from 1-4% Neanderthal. It is a useful scientific
fact for rubbing the noses of pig ignorant white racists in.

I\'m not speciesist by colour, but by looks and intelligence. I don\'t like hairy stupid people. I actually prefer Japanese/Chinese to my own species.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:

On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever.  What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino...  Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\".  It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything
that can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race.  They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types.  They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others.  They are
different species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus.  Hence the \"human race\".  So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens.  If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species

The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don\'t think.

Adolf Hitler

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 01 May 2022 01:27:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything
that can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are
different species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species

The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

Going back to the original topic, I got this beauty made in 1959:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything
that can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are
different species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species
The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

By what definition? I believe we are the same species by normal definitions. We have made a distinction in this case because it hits close to home.

BTW, I can\'t find any information to support the parrot theory. But some here have described plant species that might be able to interbreed. I\'m curious as to what is the basis for calling them different species. If multiple species can interbreed, and are found in the same geographical areas, what keeps them from interbreeding, resulting in a single, merged species?

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:01:08 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:40:28 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 30/04/2022 14:43, Ricky wrote:

Your failure is to actually read about the definition of species and
breeding. Yes, there are separate species that can interbreed, but
they must be separated spatially, typically by geography. Breeding
has NOTHING to do with the genus level of taxonomy.

In animals perhaps, although there are commercially very important
intergeneric plant hybrids in horticulture. The majority of echeveria
type succulent plants in garden centres these days are of that sort. It
allows a much wider range of shapes, colours and vigour in the crosses.

https://succulentscientific.blogspot.com/2018/07/hybrids-cross-breeding..html

Leyland cyprus (x Cupressocyparis leylandii) is one such intergeneric
cross and it sometimes sets viable seed although more usually propagates
by cuttings. Vigorous enough to have a law about growing it in the UK!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15018807

It is the source of endless neighbour disputes.
You must have stupid neighbours. I had one of those hedges between me and two seperate neighbours. The most that ever happened was one asking if I would mind cutting it a bit shorter as she couldn\'t reach the top and was unstable on a ladder. I obliged. Maybe you should try being nice to other people?
Your idiotic rantings about blacks being a different species from
whites is your own idea and not supported by biology in any way.

+1

But then the OP is an idiot racist troll (and lives under a bridge).
No, I\'m speciesist. Because the stats show niggers and mozzies and jews all shoot each other.
Native black Africans are in fact almost pure Homo sapiens - it is the
all rest of us that are slightly Neanderthal or Denisoven (and possibly
a few traces of other ancient blood lines of now extinct Homo species).
Neanderthals were apparently very intelligent, which is maybe why we beat niggers in everything requiring the brain. Nigeria, IQ 65. That\'s lower than an alsation dog.
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/interbreeding

Denisovan DNA mostly shows up in the Far East - hardly any in Europeans..

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/indigenous-filipino-group-has-highest-known-denisovan-ancestry-69089

Eurasian DNA ranges from 1-4% Neanderthal. It is a useful scientific
fact for rubbing the noses of pig ignorant white racists in.
I\'m not speciesist by colour, but by looks and intelligence. I don\'t like hairy stupid people. I actually prefer Japanese/Chinese to my own species.

We are actually all the same species, but I\'m sure virtually every race on this earth is happy to exclude you... including the *alsatian* dogs.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:27:54 AM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species
The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

Some human-neanderthal matings produced fertile offspring. My genome and that of most people of European descent contains about 1.7% Neanderthal DNA. That\'s all we know. That says nothing about whether we bred freely or not - merely that the Neanderthal DNA we did get wasn\'t selected out after it got into our gene pool.

We don\'t know whether Neanderthals were a different species or merely a geographically selected race of modern humans, who merged back into the human gene pool when they came back into contact.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:15 PM UTC+10, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:01:08 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:40:28 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/04/2022 14:43, Ricky wrote:

<snip>

But then the OP is an idiot racist troll (and lives under a bridge).
No, I\'m speciesist. Because the stats show niggers and mozzies and jews all shoot each other.

Actually, he really is an idiot because he wouldn\'t write such an idiotic sentence if he had any sense at all. Some humans beings do shoot one another. There\'s nothing specific about their ancestry that makes much difference, as long as the group they live in has enough money to afford guns. If the group hasn\'t got enough sense to keep them out of the hands of lunatics like Commander Kinsey and Flyguy, occasional members of these groups do use them to shoot one another. It\'s more about the universal human problem of occasionally going insane than anything else.

Native black Africans are in fact almost pure Homo sapiens - it is the all rest of us that are slightly Neanderthal or Denisoven (and possibly a few traces of other ancient blood lines of now extinct Homo species).

Neanderthals were apparently very intelligent, which is maybe why we beat niggers in everything requiring the brain. Nigeria, IQ 65. That\'s lower than an alsatian dog.

I\'ve yet to meet a literate alsatian dog, let alone one that could sit an IQ test.

The proposition that Africans had a lower IQ than Europeans is roughly as stupid. The original IQ tests weren\'t culture-free, and because they were created by Europeans, non-Europeans didn\'t score as well on them as they should have done. Raceists haven\'t noticed.

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/interbreeding

Denisovan DNA mostly shows up in the Far East - hardly any in Europeans.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/indigenous-filipino-group-has-highest-known-denisovan-ancestry-69089

Eurasian DNA ranges from 1-4% Neanderthal. It is a useful scientific fact for rubbing the noses of pig ignorant white racists in.

I\'m not speciesist by colour, but by looks and intelligence. I don\'t like hairy stupid people. I actually prefer Japanese/Chinese to my own species.

Since you don\'t know enough about intelligence to realise that an alsatian dog can\'t have a IQ of 65, you are just telling us that you are stupid, and nothing more.

> We are actually all the same species, but I\'m sure virtually every race on this earth is happy to exclude you... including the *alsatian* dogs.

We could hope that Alsatian dogs would have enough sense to bite him. Excluding him from their category of potential dinners would be dumb. and they aren\'t that dumb.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:38:02 PM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:

On 04/30/2022 09:22 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The proposition that Africans had a lower IQ than Europeans is roughly as stupid. The original IQ tests weren\'t culture-free, and because they were created by Europeans, non-Europeans didn\'t score as well on them as they should have done. Raceists haven\'t noticed.
I recall reformulated IQ tests like the BITCH (I didn\'t name it) and the
Chitlin. There was one attempt that had the embarrassing result of Asian
kids doing better than the target audience.

I\'m not a fan of IQ tests but if there is a correlation between measured
IQ and success in the 21st century cultural bias doesn\'t matter. In
other words if you can\'t cut it in the prevailing culture, sorry.

The correlation - such as it is - was set out in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

It was widely criticised, as the wikipedia entry sets out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_by_Design

(of which I have a copy) showed that the authors incompetence as statisticians had allowed them to make unrealistic claims about the significance of IQ test results.

The actual data they\'d looked at demonstrated that the people they were dismissing as low in IQ had been well aware that it wasn\'t a good idea to do well on IQ tests, and had skipped large chunks of the tests. This was just one of many instances of incompetence that showed up.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 01 May 2022 03:27:05 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything
that can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are
different species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species
The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

By what definition? I believe we are the same species by normal definitions. We have made a distinction in this case because it hits close to home.

BTW, I can\'t find any information to support the parrot theory.

Then you didn\'t look very hard. I entered this in Duckduckgo: \"amazon parrot species genus interbreed\"
The third link is https://www.allaboutparrots.com/can-parrots-crossbreed/ which says:

\"While parrots don’t have to be the same species to produce offspring together, they must be closely related.
Most parrots can only interbreed if they belong to the same genus\"

There you go. Genus matters. Different genus (Greek for race), no breeding. Different species, breeding ok.
Different species (negro, caucasian, etc), can breed. If they were different races, we couldn\'t breed with them.

> But some here have described plant species that might be able to interbreed. I\'m curious as to what is the basis for calling them different species. If multiple species can interbreed, and are found in the same geographical areas, what keeps them from interbreeding, resulting in a single, merged species?

Personal preference, which is why the whole world isn\'t the same colour. From the same link above - \"Parrots that are physically distinct from one another are less likely to breed. They won’t recognize each other as a potential partner or try to mate with them.\" Most caucasians like to marry a caucasian. Most Jews like to marry their sister. In the case of plants, different species will be likely to thrive in different conditions, shade, etc. So different ones are less likely to come into contact with each other to breed.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 01 May 2022 03:30:11 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:01:08 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:40:28 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 30/04/2022 14:43, Ricky wrote:

Your failure is to actually read about the definition of species and
breeding. Yes, there are separate species that can interbreed, but
they must be separated spatially, typically by geography. Breeding
has NOTHING to do with the genus level of taxonomy.

In animals perhaps, although there are commercially very important
intergeneric plant hybrids in horticulture. The majority of echeveria
type succulent plants in garden centres these days are of that sort. It
allows a much wider range of shapes, colours and vigour in the crosses.

https://succulentscientific.blogspot.com/2018/07/hybrids-cross-breeding.html

Leyland cyprus (x Cupressocyparis leylandii) is one such intergeneric
cross and it sometimes sets viable seed although more usually propagates
by cuttings. Vigorous enough to have a law about growing it in the UK!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15018807

It is the source of endless neighbour disputes.
You must have stupid neighbours. I had one of those hedges between me and two seperate neighbours. The most that ever happened was one asking if I would mind cutting it a bit shorter as she couldn\'t reach the top and was unstable on a ladder. I obliged. Maybe you should try being nice to other people?
Your idiotic rantings about blacks being a different species from
whites is your own idea and not supported by biology in any way.

+1

But then the OP is an idiot racist troll (and lives under a bridge).
No, I\'m speciesist. Because the stats show niggers and mozzies and jews all shoot each other.
Native black Africans are in fact almost pure Homo sapiens - it is the
all rest of us that are slightly Neanderthal or Denisoven (and possibly
a few traces of other ancient blood lines of now extinct Homo species).
Neanderthals were apparently very intelligent, which is maybe why we beat niggers in everything requiring the brain. Nigeria, IQ 65. That\'s lower than an alsation dog.
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/interbreeding

Denisovan DNA mostly shows up in the Far East - hardly any in Europeans.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/indigenous-filipino-group-has-highest-known-denisovan-ancestry-69089

Eurasian DNA ranges from 1-4% Neanderthal. It is a useful scientific
fact for rubbing the noses of pig ignorant white racists in.
I\'m not speciesist by colour, but by looks and intelligence. I don\'t like hairy stupid people. I actually prefer Japanese/Chinese to my own species.

We are actually all the same species, but I\'m sure virtually every race on this earth is happy to exclude you... including the *alsatian* dogs.

Go take Biology 101. Why do you think people say \"the human race\" not \"the human species\"?

And the Welsh will have sex with me. Or anything.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 5:08:27 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2022 03:27:05 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social construct except when it isn\'t.

Wrong. \"Races\" do have some genetic elements in common, and a whole genome analysis can sort that out pretty exactly.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything that can mate to produce offspring.

Wrong. Members of the same species can reliably mate and produce offspring. Members of different species that lie within same genus usually can\'t.

> >> >> Species is more precisely defined.

Bit not all that precisely,

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.

But the offspring are usually infertile.

I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are
different species.

That may be the classification that parrot fanciers like, but if they can interbreed biologists will tend to see them as a single species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

No, you are just being an idiot, using words whose meaning you don\'t understand to support your half-witted attitudes

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species.

They don\'t interbreed in the wild, and the hybrid offspring have fertility issues.

The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

We did interbreed with Neanderthals. How often the mating was fertile is unknown, and how fertile the hybrids were is equally inaccessible. At least one was fertile, and the Neanderthal genes that got into the European genome didn\'t get selected out and may actually have been helpful, which would have lead to them being positively selected.

By what definition? I believe we are the same species by normal definitions. We have made a distinction in this case because it hits close to home..

BTW, I can\'t find any information to support the parrot theory.

Then you didn\'t look very hard. I entered this in Duckduckgo: \"amazon parrot species genus interbreed\"
The third link is https://www.allaboutparrots.com/can-parrots-crossbreed/ which says:

\"While parrots don’t have to be the same species to produce offspring together, they must be closely related.
Most parrots can only interbreed if they belong to the same genus\"

So you aren\'t the only halfwit around. Here we have John Doe Cursitor Doom and Flyguy all endorsing the same idiocies. They may find it comforting that they have all been suckered by the same nonsense, but it is still nonsense.

> There you go. Genus matters. Different genus (Greek for race), no breeding. Different species, breeding ok.

So sit through first year biology, and find out what genus means, and has meant since Linnaeus formalised binomial nomenclature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Linnaeus

What the classical greeks used the word to mean doesn\'t matter today.

> Different species (negro, caucasian, etc), can breed. If they were different races, we couldn\'t breed with them.

That\'s got it exactly backwards. The various human races are all members of the human species and can - and do - interbreed.

> > But some here have described plant species that might be able to interbreed. I\'m curious as to what is the basis for calling them different species.

If they don\'t interbreed all that often, and form largely separate populations, they do tend to get described as separate species

> If multiple species can interbreed, and are found in the same geographical areas, what keeps them from interbreeding, resulting in a single, merged species?

What matters more than geographical area is ecological niche. If each of the species specialises in exploiting different resources, they won\'t run into one another all that often, even if they do inhabit the same geographilical area. Behavioral differences can also come into it. Beer-swilling scots tend to mate with different women those who bed down with the more civilised scots who can appreciate fine wines.

> Personal preference, which is why the whole world isn\'t the same colour.

That is more or less correct. Skin colour is more driven by the relative importance of vitamin D synthesis in the skin - very important in places like Scandinavia - and avoiding melanomas - which is rather more important in places as close to the equator as Australia. A personal preference for a fair skin will get you more surviving descendants in Scandinavia than it will in Queensland, Australia. If it doesn\'t lead to more surviving offspring, it is of no evolutionary significance at all.

> From the same link above - \"Parrots that are physically distinct from one another are less likely to breed. They won’t recognize each other as a potential partner or try to mate with them.\" Most caucasians like to marry a caucasian. Most Jews like to marry their sister.

It\'s more propinquity than preference. People tend to marry within their circle of acquaintances. By and large, humans don\'t marry their sibling - too much chance of sharing a lethal recessive. Even first cousin marriages are a bit dodgy.

> In the case of plants, different species will be likely to thrive in different conditions, shade, etc. So different ones are less likely to come into contact with each other to breed.

And the specific genetic differences that lead to infertility don\'t have much effect on the size of the population and don\'t get selected out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:07:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 9:50:34 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2022 02:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/04/2022 04:31, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-04-18, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

That\'s not a general problem. There was a period with the early Athlons
that didn\'t implement some of the new Intel instructions but I\'ve leaned
towards AMD with no problem.

It wasn\'t AMD but I recall one processor that ran CP/M and DOS, both
rather poorly. National maybe?

NEC V20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

And it ran them surprisingly well for the time. I had one. The 16 bit
V30 version was almost as fast as a 286 and had bit twiddling
instructions. V20 was certainly faster than the 8088 by ~10%.

ISTR there was a bun fight over reverse engineered/stolen microcode too.

The most impressive of the alternative chips was the Cyrix FasMath FPU
which was done by formal methods and found multiple bugs in the Intel
387 implementation of the IEEE floating point standard in the process.
It was about 50% faster and also more accurate which was very useful in
scientific circles.

Quirks of fate. IBM didn\'t believe in the PC market and the 8088 was the
cheapest way to go. And here we are...

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves. New versions of the OS require you to verify your basic PC hardware is supported even though they still include the equivalent of the 8253 chip for the real time clock counter, even if it\'s not used.

The only consistency in the computing world is the lack of consistency, and even that is inconsistent making it consistent. Or something like that.

Precisely the opposite is true. Pretty much everything in Windows and PC hardware has been compatible. But when Apple change something, you have to change everything. When they introduced USB, the serial ports just vanished, on the same day! No overlap so you could keep your old hardware. A fucking disgrace. I know many who changed to PC at that point on principle. Fuck me some PCs you can buy today still have serial and parallel ports on the back.

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:08:27 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2022 03:27:05 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/04/2022 12:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/04/2022 06:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:07:17 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 04/24/2022 06:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/



That\'s the most fucked up site ever. What\'s the difference between:
Other race
Unknown race
Not Hispanic or Latino
Unknown

I\'d assume other race includes Asians but the number seems low. No idea
on the two unknowns. The UCR (uniform crime reporting) system is
anything but uniform.

Then we get to Hispanic/Latino... Many forms have the category
\'White non-Hispanic\'. I check that one. Hispanics sometimes are white,
sometimes not depending on which is more advantageous. Some are actually
old stock Spanish. Others are mestizos or some other complicated mixture
of white, black, Asian, indigenous, or Klingon.

It\'s like our stellar VP who prefers to identify as black rather than
Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Cubans

\"A study from 2014 estimated the genetic admixture of the population of
Cuba to be 72% European, 20% African and 8% Native American\"

That\'s Cuba but may typify most of Latin America.

But we all know there is no such thing as race; it\'s just a social
construct except when it isn\'t.

I object to \"race\". It should be \"species\".

In fact officially, \"genus\" (which is Greek for \"race\") is anything
that can mate to produce offspring.
Species is more precisely defined.

For example, a horse and a donkey are different species, but the same
genus or race. They can mate and make offspring.
I have amazon parrots, amazon is a genus or race encompassing about 50
different types. They can all mate with each other, but they look
vastly different, some are twice the size of others. They are
different species.

Therefore white folk and niggers are a different species, they look
nothing like each other but they can mate, so they\'re the same race or
genus. Hence the \"human race\". So if I\'m racist I\'m being nasty to
aliens. If I call someone a nigger, I\'m being speciesist.

The offspring of a donkey and a horse is infertile. That\'s why they are
regarded as different species.

The offspring of lions and tigers are fertile. They are not the same species
The human races can all interbreed freely, which is why they are the
same species.

We bred freely with Neanderthals,. Neanderthals are not the same species.

By what definition? I believe we are the same species by normal definitions. We have made a distinction in this case because it hits close to home..

BTW, I can\'t find any information to support the parrot theory.
Then you didn\'t look very hard. I entered this in Duckduckgo: \"amazon parrot species genus interbreed\"
The third link is https://www.allaboutparrots.com/can-parrots-crossbreed/ which says:

\"While parrots don’t have to be the same species to produce offspring together, they must be closely related.
Most parrots can only interbreed if they belong to the same genus\"

\"They can also breed with other macaw species, including hybridizations of different species. However, sterility increases with each subsequent generation. A third-generation hybrid macaw has a high chance of being sterile.

Other parrot crossbreeds may be infertile from the first generation. They may also be prone to health issues and early mortality.\"

Even if the infertility and early mortality doesn\'t show up until subsequent generations, it is adequate to assure the species can not interbreed and produce viable offspring in the long term. There will always be two, distinct populations which do not interbreed to produce a third.

BTW, I don\'t see any mention of \"blue fronted amazon and a yellow crowned amazon\" interbreeding. This was the example you gave and what I searched. Now you are changing your tune.

There you go. Genus matters. Different genus (Greek for race), no breeding. Different species, breeding ok.
Different species (negro, caucasian, etc), can breed. If they were different races, we couldn\'t breed with them.

I like the way you make up your own facts. You do Trmp proud!

But some here have described plant species that might be able to interbreed. I\'m curious as to what is the basis for calling them different species. If multiple species can interbreed, and are found in the same geographical areas, what keeps them from interbreeding, resulting in a single, merged species?
Personal preference, which is why the whole world isn\'t the same colour. From the same link above - \"Parrots that are physically distinct from one another are less likely to breed. They won’t recognize each other as a potential partner or try to mate with them.\" Most caucasians like to marry a caucasian. Most Jews like to marry their sister. In the case of plants, different species will be likely to thrive in different conditions, shade, etc. So different ones are less likely to come into contact with each other to breed.

You, sir, are one sick son of a bitch. Now that I know you better, I won\'t be replying to any of the sick, twisted posts you make.

--

Rick C.

-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[rbowman]

On 05/01/2022 12:43 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> The actual data they\'d looked at demonstrated that the people they were dismissing as low in IQ had been well aware that it wasn\'t a good idea to do well on IQ tests, and had skipped large chunks of the tests. This was just one of many instances of incompetence that showed up.

Do you think someone who skips large chunks of a test would make a good
employee?

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:54:25 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:07:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves.

Precisely the opposite is true. Pretty much everything in Windows and PC hardware has been compatible. But when Apple change something, you have to change everything. When they introduced USB, the serial ports just vanished, on the same day! No overlap so you could keep your old hardware.

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.
The Wintel world similarly has USB/PS2 keyboard/mouse interfaces that are generic enough
that (for instance) barcode wedge-type scanners are still useful without a legacy keyboard port.
Apple, in fact, offered the AppleTalk-on-Ethernet support so that a networked office could
support old LocalTalk devices (printers, especially) with USB-only new hardware. I miss that
bit nowadays, because the old (AppleTalk) laser printer is still working, but the network only connects
to it while an elder OS is doing the print serving.

 

[Mike Monett]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/01/2022 12:43 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The actual data they\'d looked at demonstrated that the people they were
dismissing as low in IQ had been well aware that it wasn\'t a good idea
to do well on IQ tests, and had skipped large chunks of the tests. This
was just one of many instances of incompetence that showed up.

Do you think someone who skips large chunks of a test would make a good
employee?

You seem to have a large number of opinions abouty everything under the sun.
Except about electronics.

I hereby give you a giant PLONK award to stop your incessant babbling.


--
MRM

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:54:25 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:07:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves.

Precisely the opposite is true. Pretty much everything in Windows and PC hardware has been compatible. But when Apple change something, you have to change everything. When they introduced USB, the serial ports just vanished, on the same day! No overlap so you could keep your old hardware.

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.

Thanks for proving my point. Lets patch up the crappy equipment with adapters.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2022 21:35:26 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:54:25 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:07:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

The computer world can be obsessed with compatibility one minute, and completely ignores it the next. The hardware platform was all about compatibility for Windows, but Apple was happy porting, and porting again. They started with 68000 processors, switched to Power PC when that was a better choice, then switched to Intel when that was a better choice, all software compatible... well, more or less.

Meanwhile updating your Windows OS will break drivers for printers, cameras, and on the odd occurrence, applications themselves.

Precisely the opposite is true. Pretty much everything in Windows and PC hardware has been compatible. But when Apple change something, you have to change everything. When they introduced USB, the serial ports just vanished, on the same day! No overlap so you could keep your old hardware.

Not the case; Keyspan quickly came out with USB-powered single and dual serial port modules;
also there were USB/ADB dongles, every USB-equipped iMac could handle old Apple mice and keyboards.

Thanks for proving my point. Lets patch up the crappy equipment with adapters.

Hah! That attitude is just a bout of new-paint disease, very silly.
The pre-iMac mice were a great improvement over the first generation iMac USB ones, which
were entirely symmetric; you couldn\'t tell by touch which way one was pointed. And, the LaserWriter II
printers were pricey, suited for a 200k page lifetime, and did NOT have USB or (usually) Ethernet
interfaces. No reason to recycle the reliable printers of the beige-Mac era; I\'m
still enjoying one of \'em.